Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:59
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since people are obsessed with racial demographics, according to the article:
Asians: 29.9
Black: 15.3
Latino: 11.3
Native American: 2
Hawaiian: .5
Total: 59%
Implication: whites are 41%
US racial demographics- tried to find current data and found this for 18-24 y/o as of 2021: https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/11207-young-adult-population-ages-18-to-24-by-race-and-ethnicity#detailed/1/any/false/2048/68,69,67,12,70,66,71,7983/21595,21596
Asians: 6%
Black: 14%
Latino: 23%
Native American: 1%
Hawaiian: .5%
White: 53%
Interesting. Technically speaking, whites are visibly underrepresented, as are Latinos, if the goal is to have Harvard's student body mirror national demographics. We could add an overlay of faith but that gets tricker so let's leave it aside for now. We all know Harvard doesn't admit on merit, so it's not really clear what they're looking for in the ideal student body as they also don't have proportional racial demographic mix either.
Often there’s a significant international percentage as well.
That is true and many of those could be in the white category as well.
I know a number of Eastern Europeans who attended.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:53
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians want clear transparent rules, no discrimination, and fair competition. Is that too much to ask?
Elite schools don’t care about test scores, they care about leadership qualities, grit & sociability. Part-time jobs in high school are important, too.
my DC has all those qualities, PT job, leader, social, quite well spoken (debate team), and near perfect SAT scores and high GPA from a magnet, but Asian.
So did my Asian kid and they were admitted to multiple schools. And guess what? Their classmates are mostly white and Asian.
do you understand proportionality?
The classmates are mostly white/Asian because they are the largest group that applies.
So what’s the problem?
? In the US, it is illegal to look at race for employment and education. That's the problem. Are you daft?
So you won’t be happy until you’ve driven all of the nonwhite and Asian students out of university. These numbers are relatively small and at Harvard at least getting smaller the last few years. and contrary to your prejudice, they are all perfectly academically qualified to succeed. No one ever said college admissions is quest to find the 2000 “best” applicants.
And if it’s illegal to look at race unemployment then why are boards of major corporations so white and male that diversity requirements are literally being written into the law in some states? I don’t see you crusading against the lack of representation in corporate offices. But I’d guess it’s probably because it favors white people
Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:36
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
A lot of families I know who are culturally very-focused on academic achievement, and define that narrowly as meaning test scores, harbor classist attitudes & none of the kids seem to have part-time jobs.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:35
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The sound of white people crying over selective college admissions is amazing.
Supreme court is going to rule on affirmative action later this year.
Look at Caltech's demographics to see the future. (Caltech is race-blind)
Then all the sky is falling rhetoric is unfounded regarding some sort of white v. Asian admissions. If the percentages flip, year to year, so what.
They definitely need more black students & Native Americans which is not uncommon and needs to be taken seriously.
I'm surprised that only 50+% of accepted students enroll. But what do I know?
Nothing?
Why do they "need" more black and native american students? Those kids aren't applying to Caltech. Should Caltech just accept any black/native american who applies just because of their skin color irrespective of their academic ability?
Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:34
Subject: Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.
Way to perpetuate the stereotype of Asians being math nerds.These kids are scoring 1500+ on the SATs, which means that they're scoring at least a 700 on the verbal portion of the SAT.
The ^PP is math challenged. Maybe they need to focus on math more. LOL
Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:32
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians want clear transparent rules, no discrimination, and fair competition. Is that too much to ask?
Elite schools don’t care about test scores, they care about leadership qualities, grit & sociability. Part-time jobs in high school are important, too.
my DC has all those qualities, PT job, leader, social, quite well spoken (debate team), and near perfect SAT scores and high GPA from a magnet, but Asian.
So did my Asian kid and they were admitted to multiple schools. And guess what? Their classmates are mostly white and Asian.
do you understand proportionality?
The classmates are mostly white/Asian because they are the largest group that applies.
So what’s the problem?
? In the US, it is illegal to look at race for employment and education. That's the problem. Are you daft?
Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:19
Subject: Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.
Way to perpetuate the stereotype of Asians being math nerds.
These kids are scoring 1500+ on the SATs, which means that they're scoring at least a 700 on the verbal portion of the SAT.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:03
Subject: Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:03
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:These are admitted students, right? Not enrolled. Maybe Harvard just shifted URM admits to SCEA (thus increasing yield for that group, and thus decreasing the number of admits needed to hit its targets), while shifting white and Asian admits to RD (thus decreasing yield for that group, increasing the numbers it could admit without exceeding its targets).
That is a plan they could have developed after the oral argument. It seems consistent with anecdotal reports from local private schools. And it would be calibrated to produce this well-timed press release, while having zero net effect on the on-campus enrollment numbers.
SCEA is not binding so your conspiracy theory has a glaring hole in it. Not that it will matter to you.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 13:01
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians want clear transparent rules, no discrimination, and fair competition. Is that too much to ask?
Elite schools don’t care about test scores, they care about leadership qualities, grit & sociability. Part-time jobs in high school are important, too.
my DC has all those qualities, PT job, leader, social, quite well spoken (debate team), and near perfect SAT scores and high GPA from a magnet, but Asian.
So did my Asian kid and they were admitted to multiple schools. And guess what? Their classmates are mostly white and Asian.
do you understand proportionality?
The classmates are mostly white/Asian because they are the largest group that applies.
So what’s the problem?
Anonymous
04/06/2023 12:12
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
Hope you're just trolling. If not, get out a history book & start reading.
Yea so if Harvard gets to 70% Asian naturally, there's nothing wrong with it.
Dumb, dumb, and just dumb
Why??
Anonymous
04/06/2023 12:04
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
Hope you're just trolling. If not, get out a history book & start reading.
Yea so if Harvard gets to 70% Asian naturally, there's nothing wrong with it.
Dumb, dumb, and just dumb
Anonymous
04/06/2023 11:40
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
Hope you're just trolling. If not, get out a history book & start reading.
Yea so if Harvard gets to 70% Asian naturally, there's nothing wrong with it.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 10:58
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
Hope you're just trolling. If not, get out a history book & start reading.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 10:50
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The sound of white people crying over selective college admissions is amazing.
Supreme court is going to rule on affirmative action later this year.
Look at Caltech's demographics to see the future. (Caltech is race-blind)
Then all the sky is falling rhetoric is unfounded regarding some sort of white v. Asian admissions. If the percentages flip, year to year, so what.
They definitely need more black students & Native Americans which is not uncommon and needs to be taken seriously.
I'm surprised that only 50+% of accepted students enroll. But what do I know?