Anonymous wrote:I just spoke to a super liberal guy about what Allen said about the crash. That person who would have previously voted for Allen said “F$$$ that guy”

Anonymous wrote:This is the impact of lax public safety and everyone trying to highjack it for a pet agenda.

https://dailyvoice.com/virginia/fairfax/news/hearts-break-after-triple-fatal-rideshare-crash-in-dc/859125/

3 decent, hardworking men, with their lives ahead of them, who were supporting families, are now dead. They came to the US to pursue opportunities and contributed in a positive way. They were POC.

The arguments against basic public safety are BS. The Council has disincentivized traffic stops and MoCo is considering banning most.

THIS is the human toll in service of ideology. And use of race and poverty IS BS. Poor, hardworking, good people of color are the primary VICTIMS of the criminals.

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Anonymous wrote:If there were actual, human police officers writing tickets instead of these stupid speed cameras, maybe the driver would have been arrested sooner and the car impounded. Sometimes, a little face time with law enforcement is a good thing.

Huh? No. Speed cameras are there 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. And they're way cheaper than an actual, human police officer. And they don't have any human bias.

Anonymous wrote:If there were actual, human police officers writing tickets instead of these stupid speed cameras, maybe the driver would have been arrested sooner and the car impounded. Sometimes, a little face time with law enforcement is a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I do. I also believe they should be able to chase, license and impound ATV. I know someone who has 20+ citation and he is a ticking time bomb who thinks laws in DC are for suckers.

I bike and I drive. But I’m not a demagogue. I don’t think you should be doing donuts in the streets, endangering the others whatever your background

Chasing would only increase more traffic fatalities. With that said, I don't know what the solution to this problem.

Anonymous wrote:I do. I also believe they should be able to chase, license and impound ATV. I know someone who has 20+ citation and he is a ticking time bomb who thinks laws in DC are for suckers.

I bike and I drive. But I’m not a demagogue. I don’t think you should be doing donuts in the streets, endangering the others whatever your background

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Anonymous wrote:This is the impact of lax public safety and everyone trying to highjack it for a pet agenda.

https://dailyvoice.com/virginia/fairfax/news/hearts-break-after-triple-fatal-rideshare-crash-in-dc/859125/

3 decent, hardworking men, with their lives ahead of them, who were supporting families, are now dead. They came to the US to pursue opportunities and contributed in a positive way. They were POC.

The arguments against basic public safety are BS. The Council has disincentivized traffic stops and MoCo is considering banning most.

THIS is the human toll in service of ideology. And use of race and poverty IS BS. Poor, hardworking, good people of color are the primary VICTIMS of the criminals.

This happened on National Park Service road in DC, why are you bringing up Montgomery County?

Because, even as a liberal, i can see that “woke” progressive ideology has translated into policy like this (allowing speeders with $12k speeding tickets not to lose their license and keep driving dangerously). That ideology is becoming adopted on a nation wide scale in order to promote more equitable outcomes. Including in MoCo county. Therefore, it’s not unrelated to mention MoCo.

Again, this car deaths incident clearly shows the issue and that is of how the city council is weighing the potential human toll of car accidents from dangerous drivers keeping their licenses because they city won’t rescind them even with $12k in speeding tickets vs. the disproportionate socioeconomic burden someone from a disadvantaged community may experience if they lost their license.

Simply put, this is a basically cost benefit analysis being weighed by our council members of poor people driving dangerously keeping the ability to drive their cars vs. everyone else having to live with them if they drive dangerously and no matter how dangerously. But sure you can plug your wish for more buses etc. That’s super helpful.

No, you're not. Or maybe you were in, like, 1992. But now it's 2023. Just like if Abraham Lincoln or Dwight Eisenhower or even Ronald Reagan communicated from the Great Beyond to say they were Republicans.

I am not going to qualify a damn thing for you. I support abortion, legalizing drugs, a lot of justice reform efforts, but really some of these measures are just fodder for congress when they have their upcoming hearing with the dc council. That and they can use this in 2024.

It’s not rocket science. If you let someone rack up $12k in speeding tickets without taking their license, booting them, or taking any real proactive measures to prevent them from speeding and crashing then you are an idiot. These criminal justice policies, many of which are done with the good faith effort at promoting equity, are tantamount to unjustified leniency.

$12k in tickets and dude can drive around and smash in to people! GTFO. It’s insanity.

Dp. Posters like that PP are going to be the ruin of the Democratic Party. Us normal people are sick of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP of the thread about leniency for DUIs. This is also outrageous. This person was a known serial speeder who ran red lights. It was honestly just a matter of time until they killed someone. I truly don’t understand why we basically do nothing about vehicular crimes.

Because the mayor and DC government elites make political hay catering to drivers. They go out of their way to make driving as cheap and easy as possible and with as little personal responsibility as well. Driver are allowed to behave with impunity in DC, no matter how many people die because of it. That and pandering to conservatives, basically hand in glove here, is the mayor's platform.

This.

MPD is doing absolutely zero traffic enforcement now. This is not anecdotal - look at the massive drop-off in arrests for traffic offenses in the table that "DC Crime Stats" posted on Twitter. That drop-off is sure as hell not because people have become better drivers over the past 10 years!

And the Mayor and the Council - all of the Council, I believe - have made paying camera tickets completely voluntary. There are absolutely no practical consequences now for not paying fines. Whether you are a DC resident or not, your license can be freely renewed regardless of how much you owe. The debt can't be sent to collections and the city's booting and tow truck crew is so small that the chances of being booted or towed are infinitesimal. And that risk can be completely eliminated by not street parking.

CM Pinto and the Mayor are putting out statements like they just found out about this problem, but its not news to most people in this city. People have been posting videos to Reddit, Twitter etc. for years now about drivers with thousands in outstanding tickets driving extremely badly. I personally spoke with Pinto about this soon after she took office - more than two years ago! In the meantime, they have only made the problem even worse. No one in the DC Government seems to have any interest in doing what would be necessary to take drivers like this off the street because apparently driving is a right.

Is the bottom line issue basically public safety va. equity considerations? Essentially, tickets are oppression and removing licenses from speeders with thousands of dollars of speeding tickets could disproportionally impact socioeconomically disadvantaged communities?

No, the problem is a disinclination to disrupt a transportation system that normalizes and prioritizes drivers and driving over every other consideration. And that's not a DC thing, it's an American thing.

Yes, but like all places people need cars. They use them to commute. Until we can “disrupt” car driving in general we have figure out to ensure there are consequences for unsafe driving. if the city allows for no consequences for unsafe operating speeds and people with $12,000 in speeding tickets to keep their license and there is no enough staff to even properly boots cars, what do you suggest? In a perfect world we’d be more GGW style metro/bus disruption utopia but right we let drivers keep their licenses and these types of accidents are likely to occur because of that.

Consequences for unsafe driving would disrupt a transportation system that normalizes and prioritizes drivers and driving over every other consideration. That's the whole point.

You all are really nuts and you don’t even realize it

So you think DC should increase automated enforcement and impound cars with multiple citations from speed/red light/stop sign cameras? That would make the roads safer. I hope you're not one of the "people need cars to go places" people, though, because it would also interfere with people's ability to go places by car.

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Anonymous wrote:But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.
They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

This is a good opportunity for Congress to drag some officials into a hearing with the cameras rolling:

-- How was this allowed to happen?

-- Does DC have a system to identify and investigate cases where a single vehicle or vehicles registered to a single address/entity rack up a large number of fines (whether paid or unpaid)? What is the number? 10 per year, 20 per year? What is the procedure for these cases?

-- How many other vehicles/owners have more than 10 or 20 fines and what is the District doing about them?

DC made it easier for stuff like this to happen by changing the law that required tickets to be paid off to register the car. DC simply does not care that things like this happen.

A friend of mine likes to say that this results in punishment for compliance, in that those who comply with the law in the District pay fees and fines while those who operate a business without a license, don't pay speeding tickets, and jump fares face little to no enforcement.