Anonymous
Post 12/05/2023 21:22     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
My kid is white and has an IEP for dyslexia. We are both college educated and upper middle class. I requested level 2 services for my daughter. She got level 2 for math and was placed in YS. She is is a 2E. If you want them in the program submit a request to the AART teacher.

OP, this is a great teaching moment for you and your child. If you take the time to learn about why students from these disadvantaged backgrounds need such a program, you can explain it to your kid. After all, people of color are forced to have very serious conversations with their kids about things like police brutality and racial profiling, so your kid will survive.

Please do some self-reflection because you may be passing down your unconscious (or conscious) prejudice to your child.


Not OP, but the issue is assuming that kids who are Black and Hispanic come from “disadvantaged backgrounds” and assuming that White and Asian kids do not, when there are some very privileged Black and Hispanic kids in this area and some White and Asian kids, particularly Asian, who aren’t advantaged at all. I’d hope a parent of a disadvantaged White or Asian kid would find a way to express their child’s interest in a program like YS, if appropriate, and would not be turned away, but some might simply infer from the background materials that their kids aren’t welcome.


The program identifies kids that could benefit, so yes, a white or Asian kid who is economically disadvantaged will likely be identified. I know one of those kids (white).


Yes, the program has white and Asian kids in it. Stop making things up.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2023 08:07     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I teach at a title 1 school. If you knew how some of these kids live, their family life and everything, maybe you wouldn’t feel so annoyed that they can participate in this program.


Totally fine to have the program available to all poor kids, but NOT fine to also make it available to well off Black/Hispanic kids, the race aspect is truly concerning.


True. Although we have a more well off Hispanic family with kids in the program so by default it seems to be title 1 school kids with a disadvantage of some kind.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2023 07:03     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Id never heard of this before and found out about a bunch of field trips and activities going on at DC school. DC brought it up and we don't qualify based on the following criteria, but this seems kind of crazy. Is FCPS even allowed to do this? Are there alternatives for people who don't qualify?

Young Scholars is:

Designed to identify and nurture students with high academic potential from historically underrepresented groups* in Advanced Academic Programs (AAP) and courses
A strategy to increase access to rigor found in:
The FCPS strategic plan.
The Closing the Achievement Gap framework.
In addition to, not a replacement of, advanced learning opportunities from the FCPS AAP continuum of services.
*Twice exceptional, English Learners, Black, Hispanic, or economically vulnerable


It's entirely possible this is discrimination based on race, but nothing will be done unless someone sues FCPS and brings it to the courts. Any volunteers? Didn't think so.


The Attorney General has taken this up: https://www.oag.state.va.us/media-center/news-releases/2548-march-9th-2022-attorney-general-miyares-demands-fairfax-county-middle-school-stop-racially-discriminating-against-children




Good. FCPS needs to stop discrimination by race.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 19:20     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:I teach at a title 1 school. If you knew how some of these kids live, their family life and everything, maybe you wouldn’t feel so annoyed that they can participate in this program.


Totally fine to have the program available to all poor kids, but NOT fine to also make it available to well off Black/Hispanic kids, the race aspect is truly concerning.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 19:17     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:I teach at a title 1 school. If you knew how some of these kids live, their family life and everything, maybe you wouldn’t feel so annoyed that they can participate in this program.


Nobody is upset about that. It’s the race aspect that was unnecessary.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 19:13     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
I teach at a title 1 school. If you knew how some of these kids live, their family life and everything, maybe you wouldn’t feel so annoyed that they can participate in this program.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 18:05     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My rich white kid has been invited to Young Scholars programs.


Will he be a first Gen college student?


Or not very smart?


Don’t complain when the same White poster has no sympathy for. Black/Hispanic/FARMs kid, what goes around, comes around!
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 17:14     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My rich white kid has been invited to Young Scholars programs.


Will he be a first Gen college student?


Or not very smart?
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 17:04     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:My rich white kid has been invited to Young Scholars programs.


Will he be a first Gen college student?
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 17:02     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:the lady complaining about young scholars should have to sit through the IEP process for a 2e kid to see how unfair FCPS is to these groups.



But Young Scholars isn't for kids with IEPs, it's for URMs. If she sits through the IEP process for a white or asian student and sees how unfair FCPS is to them, how would it justify the existence of special programming that student will never have access to?


OMG. 2E is kids who have IEPs and show giftedness as well. And my DC is Asian with an IEP and was identified for YS. And I think FCPS has been very fair. It's such a sad, bitter way of looking at life when people constantly feel the need to tear down something just because they can't participate.


Let the participation be equitable, since equity is the guiding force.


This. The bolded part is laughable. That’s the precise reason affirmative action was created: complaints that URMs were excluded from participating in things. Now it swings the other way.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 16:44     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:the lady complaining about young scholars should have to sit through the IEP process for a 2e kid to see how unfair FCPS is to these groups.



But Young Scholars isn't for kids with IEPs, it's for URMs. If she sits through the IEP process for a white or asian student and sees how unfair FCPS is to them, how would it justify the existence of special programming that student will never have access to?


It is for kids who are 2E and kids whose parents didn’t attend college. And, apparently, anyone who wants to be included and asks their school to include their child. Parents of kids who are 2E and white have posted here. So it is not a race based program.


From FCPS's website


Young Scholars is:

Designed to identify and nurture students with high academic potential from historically underrepresented groups* in Advanced Academic Programs (AAP) and courses
A strategy to increase access to rigor found in:
The FCPS strategic plan.
The Closing the Achievement Gap framework.
In addition to, not a replacement of, advanced learning opportunities from the FCPS AAP continuum of services.
*Twice exceptional, English Learners, Black, Hispanic, or economically vulnerable


It sounds like race is absolutely a factor
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 16:42     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:the lady complaining about young scholars should have to sit through the IEP process for a 2e kid to see how unfair FCPS is to these groups.



But Young Scholars isn't for kids with IEPs, it's for URMs. If she sits through the IEP process for a white or asian student and sees how unfair FCPS is to them, how would it justify the existence of special programming that student will never have access to?


OMG. 2E is kids who have IEPs and show giftedness as well. And my DC is Asian with an IEP and was identified for YS. And I think FCPS has been very fair. It's such a sad, bitter way of looking at life when people constantly feel the need to tear down something just because they can't participate.


Let the participation be equitable, since equity is the guiding force.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 16:19     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:the lady complaining about young scholars should have to sit through the IEP process for a 2e kid to see how unfair FCPS is to these groups.



But Young Scholars isn't for kids with IEPs, it's for URMs. If she sits through the IEP process for a white or asian student and sees how unfair FCPS is to them, how would it justify the existence of special programming that student will never have access to?


OMG. 2E is kids who have IEPs and show giftedness as well. And my DC is Asian with an IEP and was identified for YS. And I think FCPS has been very fair. It's such a sad, bitter way of looking at life when people constantly feel the need to tear down something just because they can't participate.


Who said anything about tearing down something? I'm reading these posts and feel posters just want all included....I guess you don't want this for everyone? Just your kid?
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2023 14:22     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:the lady complaining about young scholars should have to sit through the IEP process for a 2e kid to see how unfair FCPS is to these groups.



But Young Scholars isn't for kids with IEPs, it's for URMs. If she sits through the IEP process for a white or asian student and sees how unfair FCPS is to them, how would it justify the existence of special programming that student will never have access to?


OMG. 2E is kids who have IEPs and show giftedness as well. And my DC is Asian with an IEP and was identified for YS. And I think FCPS has been very fair. It's such a sad, bitter way of looking at life when people constantly feel the need to tear down something just because they can't participate.
Anonymous
Post 03/09/2023 19:33     Subject: Young Scholars Admittance
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:the lady complaining about young scholars should have to sit through the IEP process for a 2e kid to see how unfair FCPS is to these groups.



But Young Scholars isn't for kids with IEPs, it's for URMs. If she sits through the IEP process for a white or asian student and sees how unfair FCPS is to them, how would it justify the existence of special programming that student will never have access to?


It is for kids who are 2E and kids whose parents didn’t attend college. And, apparently, anyone who wants to be included and asks their school to include their child. Parents of kids who are 2E and white have posted here. So it is not a race based program.