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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

The problem is is that they are NOT selecting the best applicant--they are selecting for various other reasons--

They are selecting based on one test. Some people are just good standardized test takers and others aren’t. But the best scorers are nit always going to make the best doctors.

There is a very high correlation though between MCAT scores and licensing exam scores. That’s why they matter. Surely you don’t want to do away with medical licensing exams also—oh wait, you’re probably the person who things all doctors can be replaced with nurses and PAs.

Actually the USMLE passage rates for students with lower/average MCAT scores are only about 1 or 2 percentage points lower than those of students with >90 percentile MCAT scores. But nice try.

If your only goal is passing you don’t belong in the profession. Most people in medical schools are highly motivated and aiming for the stars. You seem to be an advocate for mediocrity.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

The problem is is that they are NOT selecting the best applicant--they are selecting for various other reasons--

Says you? Look, like it or not there is a lot of testing and lot of grading and a lot of standardized testing in medical education training and certification. You need to be able to pass that bar well to be a doctor, period. First you need the numbers. And you also want people who are going to advance the field. Sent After that criterion is met they can look for wonderful humanitarians and good listeners.

The MCAT isnt even that important anymore.They want either robots or optics---that is the issue. They want easily controlled students.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Look, medical school is hard. Training is hard. They want people who have a track record of succeeding at hard things. There is not a lot of time or space for missed beats. If you want to be a pilot you can’t have poor vision. If you want to be an astronaut you can’t be a slacker. If you want to be a doctor you have to perform. Over and over for years on end. There is no way around this.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

They are making worse by admitting a bunch robots who have never even had a real job or done anything that wasn’t related to getting them into med school.

Don’t hate people for being successful.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

The problem is is that they are NOT selecting the best applicant--they are selecting for various other reasons--

Says you? Look, like it or not there is a lot of testing and lot of grading and a lot of standardized testing in medical education training and certification. You need to be able to pass that bar well to be a doctor, period. First you need the numbers. And you also want people who are going to advance the field. Sent After that criterion is met they can look for wonderful humanitarians and good listeners.

The MCAT isnt even that important anymore.They want either robots or optics---that is the issue. They want easily controlled students.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

The problem is is that they are NOT selecting the best applicant--they are selecting for various other reasons--

They are selecting based on one test. Some people are just good standardized test takers and others aren’t. But the best scorers are nit always going to make the best doctors.

There is a very high correlation though between MCAT scores and licensing exam scores. That’s why they matter. Surely you don’t want to do away with medical licensing exams also—oh wait, you’re probably the person who things all doctors can be replaced with nurses and PAs.

Actually the USMLE passage rates for students with lower/average MCAT scores are only about 1 or 2 percentage points lower than those of students with >90 percentile MCAT scores. But nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

They are making worse by admitting a bunch robots who have never even had a real job or done anything that wasn’t related to getting them into med school.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

They are making worse by admitting a bunch robots who have never even had a real job or done anything that wasn’t related to getting them into med school.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

The problem is is that they are NOT selecting the best applicant--they are selecting for various other reasons--

Says you? Look, like it or not there is a lot of testing and lot of grading and a lot of standardized testing in medical education training and certification. You need to be able to pass that bar well to be a doctor, period. First you need the numbers. And you also want people who are going to advance the field. Sent After that criterion is met they can look for wonderful humanitarians and good listeners.

The MCAT isnt even that important anymore.They want either robots or optics---that is the issue. They want easily controlled students.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

The problem is is that they are NOT selecting the best applicant--they are selecting for various other reasons--

Says you? Look, like it or not there is a lot of testing and lot of grading and a lot of standardized testing in medical education training and certification. You need to be able to pass that bar well to be a doctor, period. First you need the numbers. And you also want people who are going to advance the field. Sent After that criterion is met they can look for wonderful humanitarians and good listeners.

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Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

Yes, but it is next level now.

I keep hearing that it’s so much harder, but the med students really haven’t gotten any better over the last 15 years since I’ve been on the faculty of two different medical schools.

The 4 or 5 Caribbean med school grads and DO trainees that I have worked with on a daily basis are fine. I would go to one for most things.
They haven’t been the top of the top with regard to intellectual curiosity, but most doctors aren’t - regardless of what school they attended. All have been very diligent and hard workers.

Of course they are not actually “better” at being doctors, probably worse. But, they have become better only at taking tests, grade grubbing, and extracurricular box checking, and other opportunistic BS.

It really is that US med schools are picking worse candidates yet at the same time making it harder for smart, socially adjusted students to get in....its pathetic...

Since these kids apply to like 40 schools now just to make sure they get in somewhere, each gets thousands of applications for 200 measly seats. They are lazy and take the predictable path of least resistance, so they mostly consider hours and statistics. These individuals may be good students and resume builders, but they will not necessarily make the best doctors. I predict that most people will not be satisfied with their physicians in 15 or 20 years since they are keeping a lot of great people out in favor if the gunners.

Even in the 90s most people that I knew applied to about 20 med schools. Mostly because it seemed like there wasn’t always rhyme or reason to who did and who did not get into good schools.
I went to a top SLAC, and don’t know anyone who ended up in a DO school or the Caribbean, though.
Now we get a fair number of residency applicants who went to Ivy league schools for undergrad, but went to a Caribbean med schools. It seems odd to me; that did not happen in the 90s.

The residents seem so lazy and entitled to me for the last 5 years or so, but becoming an attending has a way of sharpening their focus (the power of fear!), so I’m hoping that they all snap out of it when they finish training. I do feel like I spend less time with the residents and fellows than I used to. They will reject my attempts to go over complex cases and discuss issues after 5 PM - which is when I can take a minute to discuss without being continuously interrupted - because they just want to go home. I’m afraid to push it because they come in early, so if I keep them after 6 then they can report me to the ACGME for learner mistreatment. That said, the junior faculty seem more likely to seek out mentoring and advice now.

And gunners have been gunning since at least the mid 90s (when I started med school). They’re a constant!

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

The problem is is that they are NOT selecting the best applicant--they are selecting for various other reasons--

They are selecting based on one test. Some people are just good standardized test takers and others aren’t. But the best scorers are nit always going to make the best doctors.

There is a very high correlation though between MCAT scores and licensing exam scores. That’s why they matter. Surely you don’t want to do away with medical licensing exams also—oh wait, you’re probably the person who things all doctors can be replaced with nurses and PAs.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.