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Anonymous wrote:Friend does this and I find it highly unethical
It requires a lot of lying when meetings overlap.
If the jobs are more task oriented and it can be done, okay, but deception is a deal breaker for me

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is it unethical? Are they doing the job well and delivering? That’s all that matters.

Is it unethical for CEOs to sit on board of directors of multiple companies? So why is it unethical for people to work two jobs and are able to do well in both?

It is a part of a CEOs job to make connections across companies and sit on other boards. It increases the company's profile.

So why can’t employees do the same and increase their bank account? Not to mention, increased skills?

But CEOs are not attending board meetings at the same time. That's the pronoun folks have with 2x jobs. You're not supposed to be working 2 jobs at the same time. If i have any down time on my job, I network or read trade publications. I come up with pitches. That down time is still spent for the benefit of your job.

Having two jobs I have great overlap of knowledge. for instance J2 rolled out Jira this week I already use jira J1. Happens a lot. For instance we may start Sox one company we already did Sox other company. Often it is same topics. Nothing trade secrets but I am up on topics asap.

I do same exact job title at two different companies

But are you using the Jira documentation you created for J1 at J2 so that gives you more time for J3, and Js 1-3 are happening at the same time, i.e. the same 8 hour chunk of day? If so that's messed up

No confidential info shared. No sharing of laptops. It is similar when I was in big 4 I do similar projects at same companies. It is called synergy. And in my case have nothing to do with Jira roll out. Just a ticketing tool to be used firm wide. Just I am already familiar with it.

If companies paid fairly, promoted regularly, has equal benefits and did not claw back invested stock this would happen less. It is no different than a dual income WFH couple. They each have access to each others info and cover one another.

There is a huge difference between being an independent contractor with lots of clients (you get multiple I-9s), working for one entity on projects for multiple clients (you get one w-2 from your one employer, who bills and is paid for by all the clients you work on), and being an employee of multiple entities who do not know you are also someone else's employee sharing your work product which legally belongs to the employer and is not yours to reuse with other employers.

If you are getting I-9s, you are fine. If you are getting one W-2, you are fine. If you are getting multiple W2s, that is a problem, especially if you are getting paid to produce work for one employer and then sharing that work across other employers. That is not OK.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't this illegal?

Why would it be illegal? Most employers don't care about micro-managing employees' time. As long as you are productive and do the work that is expected from you, and do it well, they don't care about how many hours you actually work, how many coffee breaks you took.
These employers are even introducing "unlimited time-off". The message is that as long as you do the job we expect you to do, you can take as many days off as you want.
Their concerns is your production. As long as you remain productive, they won't care that you have 2 or 3 jobs.

If you are so sure about that, whey not disclose it and be above board?

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Anonymous wrote:It's called time theft and it's fraud. Most companies explicitly ban it,
tho it may be hidden in the HR manual.

That’s a lie. Lawyers have been double or triple billing forever.

First, while you are wrong about this anyway, the more apt point is that lawyers who 'bill' are not employees of the clients they bill. What and how they charge is a matter of contract and fee for service.

Employees are bound by different obligations by policy and at law.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't this illegal?

No lol. Unless you work for a company with a no compete clause. Example, working at Wells Fargo while working at Capital One.

You don't actually have to a have a contract to define your obligation to protect the interests of your employer. Non-competes and non-disclosures just make common law duties of employees explicit and slightly easier to enforce if they would have been enforceable in the first place. It really depends on the type of job you have and the kinds of information you have access to from your employer.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is a bunch of sock-puppeting BS.

If you believe that, then ask the mod if it's sock puppets. Go on.

Anonymous wrote:It's called time theft and it's fraud. Most companies explicitly ban it,
tho it may be hidden in the HR manual.

That’s a lie. Lawyers have been double or triple billing forever.

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Anonymous wrote:This will come out in background investigations.

Sorry Boomer. They check what you tell them. My resume lists J1 which I never quit. J2 not even on it or my LinkedIn profile and I froze my TWN with Equifax.

When I get J3 I may quit J2 but J1 I quiet quit in Spring 2022 and just doing “rest and vest”. My old RSUs and options vest away.

Tech jobs we get sign one that vest over 48 months. As long as make it past probation and the first year to hit first cliff. You then go to J2. Now you try for double vesting.

Now even my “double trigger” options IPO I be buying my Bentley Suckas

Were you successful in securing an overseas tech worker to subcontract your job responsibilities out to?

I actually found ”creative” ways to get work done. One job I just staffed up. I got a new staff starting today. I just turned my role into budgeting, reviews, Exec meetings, status updates, signing off work, kick off meetings but no deliverables. I can do admin stuff 24/7. Like today at 7 am approved a T&E and a goal setting while having coffee.

Other job no staff went route of doing bare minimum work. I have “two” bosses in “”two” different countries. I have a big network so I can get stuff done that should take 3-4 weeks in a day or two. That job I hope they package me out. I am in a dream situation. In Feb they are going to lay off maybe low performers. If not laid off I get March bonus. Either way I am quitting or laid off soon. I got a crypto start up that may want me. They need people but folks like afraid. I am not as I have another gig. Crypto I could do in my sleep. I will just say no to everything. CYA

My secret goal is to do a double in person business trip.

It's called time theft and it's fraud. Most companies explicitly ban it,
tho it may be hidden in the HR manual.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't this illegal?

Why would it be illegal? Most employers don't care about micro-managing employees' time. As long as you are productive and do the work that is expected from you, and do it well, they don't care about how many hours you actually work, how many coffee breaks you took.
These employers are even introducing "unlimited time-off". The message is that as long as you do the job we expect you to do, you can take as many days off as you want.
Their concerns is your production. As long as you remain productive, they won't care that you have 2 or 3 jobs.

It's called time theft, which is fraud. Fraud is very much illegal

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Anonymous wrote:Friend does this and I find it highly unethical
It requires a lot of lying when meetings overlap.
If the jobs are more task oriented and it can be done, okay, but deception is a deal breaker for me

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is it unethical? Are they doing the job well and delivering? That’s all that matters.

Is it unethical for CEOs to sit on board of directors of multiple companies? So why is it unethical for people to work two jobs and are able to do well in both?

It is a part of a CEOs job to make connections across companies and sit on other boards. It increases the company's profile.

So why can’t employees do the same and increase their bank account? Not to mention, increased skills?

But CEOs are not attending board meetings at the same time. That's the pronoun folks have with 2x jobs. You're not supposed to be working 2 jobs at the same time. If i have any down time on my job, I network or read trade publications. I come up with pitches. That down time is still spent for the benefit of your job.

Having two jobs I have great overlap of knowledge. for instance J2 rolled out Jira this week I already use jira J1. Happens a lot. For instance we may start Sox one company we already did Sox other company. Often it is same topics. Nothing trade secrets but I am up on topics asap.

I do same exact job title at two different companies

And you're doing both jobs at the same time? Seems nuts but enjoy your crazy ride!

Anonymous wrote:Isn't this illegal?

Why would it be illegal? Most employers don't care about micro-managing employees' time. As long as you are productive and do the work that is expected from you, and do it well, they don't care about how many hours you actually work, how many coffee breaks you took.
These employers are even introducing "unlimited time-off". The message is that as long as you do the job we expect you to do, you can take as many days off as you want.
Their concerns is your production. As long as you remain productive, they won't care that you have 2 or 3 jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:This will come out in background investigations.

Sorry Boomer. They check what you tell them. My resume lists J1 which I never quit. J2 not even on it or my LinkedIn profile and I froze my TWN with Equifax.

When I get J3 I may quit J2 but J1 I quiet quit in Spring 2022 and just doing “rest and vest”. My old RSUs and options vest away.

Tech jobs we get sign one that vest over 48 months. As long as make it past probation and the first year to hit first cliff. You then go to J2. Now you try for double vesting.

Now even my “double trigger” options IPO I be buying my Bentley Suckas

Were you successful in securing an overseas tech worker to subcontract your job responsibilities out to?

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Anonymous wrote:Friend does this and I find it highly unethical
It requires a lot of lying when meetings overlap.
If the jobs are more task oriented and it can be done, okay, but deception is a deal breaker for me

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is it unethical? Are they doing the job well and delivering? That’s all that matters.

Is it unethical for CEOs to sit on board of directors of multiple companies? So why is it unethical for people to work two jobs and are able to do well in both?

It is a part of a CEOs job to make connections across companies and sit on other boards. It increases the company's profile.

So why can’t employees do the same and increase their bank account? Not to mention, increased skills?

But CEOs are not attending board meetings at the same time. That's the pronoun folks have with 2x jobs. You're not supposed to be working 2 jobs at the same time. If i have any down time on my job, I network or read trade publications. I come up with pitches. That down time is still spent for the benefit of your job.

Having two jobs I have great overlap of knowledge. for instance J2 rolled out Jira this week I already use jira J1. Happens a lot. For instance we may start Sox one company we already did Sox other company. Often it is same topics. Nothing trade secrets but I am up on topics asap.

I do same exact job title at two different companies

But are you using the Jira documentation you created for J1 at J2 so that gives you more time for J3, and Js 1-3 are happening at the same time, i.e. the same 8 hour chunk of day? If so that's messed up

No confidential info shared. No sharing of laptops. It is similar when I was in big 4 I do similar projects at same companies. It is called synergy. And in my case have nothing to do with Jira roll out. Just a ticketing tool to be used firm wide. Just I am already familiar with it.

If companies paid fairly, promoted regularly, has equal benefits and did not claw back invested stock this would happen less. It is no different than a dual income WFH couple. They each have access to each others info and cover one another.

You worked two jobs while at a big 4?!

Notice the “was” at a Big 4. You’re not working at a Big 4 and getting away with this for very long. The partners will sniff you right out.

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Anonymous wrote:Friend does this and I find it highly unethical
It requires a lot of lying when meetings overlap.
If the jobs are more task oriented and it can be done, okay, but deception is a deal breaker for me

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is it unethical? Are they doing the job well and delivering? That’s all that matters.

Is it unethical for CEOs to sit on board of directors of multiple companies? So why is it unethical for people to work two jobs and are able to do well in both?

It is a part of a CEOs job to make connections across companies and sit on other boards. It increases the company's profile.

So why can’t employees do the same and increase their bank account? Not to mention, increased skills?

But CEOs are not attending board meetings at the same time. That's the pronoun folks have with 2x jobs. You're not supposed to be working 2 jobs at the same time. If i have any down time on my job, I network or read trade publications. I come up with pitches. That down time is still spent for the benefit of your job.

Having two jobs I have great overlap of knowledge. for instance J2 rolled out Jira this week I already use jira J1. Happens a lot. For instance we may start Sox one company we already did Sox other company. Often it is same topics. Nothing trade secrets but I am up on topics asap.

I do same exact job title at two different companies

But are you using the Jira documentation you created for J1 at J2 so that gives you more time for J3, and Js 1-3 are happening at the same time, i.e. the same 8 hour chunk of day? If so that's messed up

No confidential info shared. No sharing of laptops. It is similar when I was in big 4 I do similar projects at same companies. It is called synergy. And in my case have nothing to do with Jira roll out. Just a ticketing tool to be used firm wide. Just I am already familiar with it.

If companies paid fairly, promoted regularly, has equal benefits and did not claw back invested stock this would happen less. It is no different than a dual income WFH couple. They each have access to each others info and cover one another.

You worked two jobs while at a big 4?!

Anonymous wrote:Isn't this illegal?

No lol. Unless you work for a company with a no compete clause. Example, working at Wells Fargo while working at Capital One.