Anonymous
01/18/2023 22:55
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that if you don’t like Joel Osteen, you shouldn’t listen to or watch him. A lot of people do like him and it is the height of arrogance to adjudge them all stupid, misled or ignorant simply because of that. One of the things he repeats in every broadcast is that people should find a local church home for their foundational religious activity and come to/support his ministry only secondarily. According to various articles, his own money comes from books and appearance fees and he donates a not inconsequential amount back to the ministry in sort of a reverse salary arrangement. Information on charitable giving is harder to find but it appears that the ministry does support charitable causes to at least some extent. Giving him the benefit of the doubt it is entirely possible that he and the ministry are doing more than us public, following the biblical admonition to not let one’s right hand know what the left hand is doing with regard to charity.
The prosperity gospel is open to valid criticism that it overemphasizes God’s provision over other aspects of religious observance. At the same time, a person like Mr. Osteen, with his infallibly positive and uplifting message and personal enthusiasm can be a source of badly needed hope to someone at the end of their rope and ready to give up.
I don’t watch him often, but I find it uplifting when I do. His critics appear to be motivated at least as much by envy of his success and popularity as by any legitimate concern for people who like him. Unlike some other popular preachers, he has not (at least so far) been caught up in any personal moral scandal, nor has he been caught using audience information cards and concealed transmitter equipment to appear to be able to prophesy.
So you are one of his marks. Got it.
And the whole tired “his money comes from books and appearances” line is as stupid as the people who believe that because Trump (supposedly) “didn’t take the presidential salary” ($400K) while in office, that makes him a Man of The People, conveniently ignoring the multimillions he funneled through his own golf courses, hotels and other properties for four years by demanding they be used for everything. Come to think of it, the Osteen audience and the Trump devotees have significant overlap.
Personal insults. Off topic. Irrelevant and abusive.
Absolutely on topic, not irrelevant and “abusive” is laughable. Thanks for letting us know you’ve lived such a charmed life.
Anonymous
01/18/2023 22:53
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
No where in this passage does Jesus say wealth is bad. He doesn’t rebuke the rich young ruler for being rich. Rather, for placing his identity in his wealth.
It’s not a sin to be rich. Jesus never said that. All rich people aren’t bad and all poor people aren’t good.
It’s not a sin to be rich. Jesus never said that. All rich people aren’t bad and all poor people aren’t good.
Anonymous
01/18/2023 18:37
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Can’t believe no one’s quoted this yet, Matthew 19:21-28
Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Then Peter answered and said to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You. Therefore what shall we have?”
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.
Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Then Peter answered and said to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You. Therefore what shall we have?”
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.
Anonymous
01/18/2023 18:23
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Osteen brought just 1 person closer to God, he did more than most of you all on here. Regardless of how rich he is.
On the other hand, he may have turned off hundreds more..
Not likely. People that easily turned off typically weren’t particularly turned on to begin with.
PP here. I disagree and stand by my comment. He reminds me of a slicker Jim Bakker or Jimmy Swaggart.
Anonymous
01/18/2023 18:09
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Osteen brought just 1 person closer to God, he did more than most of you all on here. Regardless of how rich he is.
On the other hand, he may have turned off hundreds more..
Not likely. People that easily turned off typically weren’t particularly turned on to begin with.
Anonymous
01/18/2023 15:49
Subject: Re:is joel osteen a false preacher?
He is a grifter.
Anonymous
01/18/2023 05:17
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Osteen brought just 1 person closer to God, he did more than most of you all on here. Regardless of how rich he is.
+1
+2
From the many fake prophets around us, I am not sure Osteen would make the top 100.
Anonymous
01/18/2023 05:10
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:If Osteen brought just 1 person closer to God, he did more than most of you all on here. Regardless of how rich he is.
Wrong, he preaches absolute selfishness and sanctity of money. That brings nobody closer to god just only closer to self-righteousness.
Anonymous
01/18/2023 04:06
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:If Osteen brought just 1 person closer to God, he did more than most of you all on here. Regardless of how rich he is.
+1
Anonymous
01/18/2023 01:51
Subject: Re:is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous
01/17/2023 23:52
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:If Osteen brought just 1 person closer to God, he did more than most of you all on here. Regardless of how rich he is.
On the other hand, he may have turned off hundreds more..
Anonymous
01/17/2023 23:46
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
If Osteen brought just 1 person closer to God, he did more than most of you all on here. Regardless of how rich he is.
Anonymous
01/17/2023 23:36
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that if you don’t like Joel Osteen, you shouldn’t listen to or watch him. A lot of people do like him and it is the height of arrogance to adjudge them all stupid, misled or ignorant simply because of that. One of the things he repeats in every broadcast is that people should find a local church home for their foundational religious activity and come to/support his ministry only secondarily. According to various articles, his own money comes from books and appearance fees and he donates a not inconsequential amount back to the ministry in sort of a reverse salary arrangement. Information on charitable giving is harder to find but it appears that the ministry does support charitable causes to at least some extent. Giving him the benefit of the doubt it is entirely possible that he and the ministry are doing more than us public, following the biblical admonition to not let one’s right hand know what the left hand is doing with regard to charity.
The prosperity gospel is open to valid criticism that it overemphasizes God’s provision over other aspects of religious observance. At the same time, a person like Mr. Osteen, with his infallibly positive and uplifting message and personal enthusiasm can be a source of badly needed hope to someone at the end of their rope and ready to give up.
I don’t watch him often, but I find it uplifting when I do. His critics appear to be motivated at least as much by envy of his success and popularity as by any legitimate concern for people who like him. Unlike some other popular preachers, he has not (at least so far) been caught up in any personal moral scandal, nor has he been caught using audience information cards and concealed transmitter equipment to appear to be able to prophesy.
So you are one of his marks. Got it.
And the whole tired “his money comes from books and appearances” line is as stupid as the people who believe that because Trump (supposedly) “didn’t take the presidential salary” ($400K) while in office, that makes him a Man of The People, conveniently ignoring the multimillions he funneled through his own golf courses, hotels and other properties for four years by demanding they be used for everything. Come to think of it, the Osteen audience and the Trump devotees have significant overlap.
I don't listen to Joel Osteen regularly but when I do, I very much enjoy his sermons. He always begins with a joke, like a good speaker, but his jokes are reliably funny. I have never given a red cent to his ministry and probably never will. I don't think I've noticed him asking for donations during his sermons, but maybe I haven't paid close attention when he did.
His sermons do speak of God, and our relationship to God. I don't necessarily subscribe to everything he says, such as a literal belief in the Bible, but I never subscribed to some teachings in the Catholic faith, which is my church. I also don't really dwell on a ministry of prosperity, and consider that part of his overall message. Again, I figure that's his experience of his faith, but not everyone has the same experience. That's okay. I do appreciate his message of hope and optimism. I believe God wants us to have faith. That is Osteen's primary message.
Anonymous
01/17/2023 21:28
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that if you don’t like Joel Osteen, you shouldn’t listen to or watch him. A lot of people do like him and it is the height of arrogance to adjudge them all stupid, misled or ignorant simply because of that. One of the things he repeats in every broadcast is that people should find a local church home for their foundational religious activity and come to/support his ministry only secondarily. According to various articles, his own money comes from books and appearance fees and he donates a not inconsequential amount back to the ministry in sort of a reverse salary arrangement. Information on charitable giving is harder to find but it appears that the ministry does support charitable causes to at least some extent. Giving him the benefit of the doubt it is entirely possible that he and the ministry are doing more than us public, following the biblical admonition to not let one’s right hand know what the left hand is doing with regard to charity.
The prosperity gospel is open to valid criticism that it overemphasizes God’s provision over other aspects of religious observance. At the same time, a person like Mr. Osteen, with his infallibly positive and uplifting message and personal enthusiasm can be a source of badly needed hope to someone at the end of their rope and ready to give up.
I don’t watch him often, but I find it uplifting when I do. His critics appear to be motivated at least as much by envy of his success and popularity as by any legitimate concern for people who like him. Unlike some other popular preachers, he has not (at least so far) been caught up in any personal moral scandal, nor has he been caught using audience information cards and concealed transmitter equipment to appear to be able to prophesy.
So you are one of his marks. Got it.
And the whole tired “his money comes from books and appearances” line is as stupid as the people who believe that because Trump (supposedly) “didn’t take the presidential salary” ($400K) while in office, that makes him a Man of The People, conveniently ignoring the multimillions he funneled through his own golf courses, hotels and other properties for four years by demanding they be used for everything. Come to think of it, the Osteen audience and the Trump devotees have significant overlap.
Personal insults. Off topic. Irrelevant and abusive.
Anonymous
01/17/2023 20:44
Subject: is joel osteen a false preacher?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t all preachers?
You think all preachers and pastors are false? Really? Why?
Why? You are kidding right. Today alone 6 pastors accross the US arrested for child abuse, rape, child porn, grooming, etc... Yes every day check the news.
The catholic church just had another priest arrested in SC for child abuse.
Wake up already this is not hard at this point.
The 2002 Department of Education report estimated that from 6 percent to 10 percent of all students in public schools would be victims of abuse before graduation — a staggering statistic.
Stop deflecting and stay on topic.
Ummm, the anti-religion whackjob started the off topic conversation about sex abuse. Why not offer some real statistics?