Anonymous wrote:Sadly, I think at this point there is a much higher likelihood that a Biden will go to prison before a Trump. Which is fairly mind blowing.

At worst it is likely a stalemate and nothing will be done to improve the process of tracking and retrieving classified documents from politicians. That is some BS.

Sadly, I think at this point there is a much higher likelihood that a Biden will go to prison before a Trump. Which is fairly mind blowing.

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Anonymous wrote:Either having classified documents scattered around is ok, or it’s not. The precedent was set last year that it’s not, but somehow this one is different……

Everyone agrees that it is not ok, but whether it is a crime depends on knowledge and intent. They are literally in the law.

Either Biden is the senile fool the right paints him as and had no idea what is sitting next to the corvette that he presumable loves and constantly works on or he had some idea what documents where in his own home and thought he was above the law

I don’t think your contrast is right. The PP before you provided a better view of the situation. He probably didn’t pack up the files (problem if he checks them out himself and lost track of them). So he would have no idea what was sitting next to his ‘ vette.

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Anonymous wrote:Either having classified documents scattered around is ok, or it’s not. The precedent was set last year that it’s not, but somehow this one is different……

Everyone agrees that it is not ok, but whether it is a crime depends on knowledge and intent. They are literally in the law.

Either Biden is the senile fool the right paints him as and had no idea what is sitting next to the corvette that he presumable loves and constantly works on or he had some idea what documents where in his own home and thought he was above the law

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Now, do the number of days the classified materials were held in unsecured locations.
And, how many people had access to the material.

Who had the keys to the office at the Penn Biden center?

Who had access to the keys to the house in Delaware (apparently owned by Hunter)?

Where else were the Biden classified materials held? The Penn Biden center didn't open for over a year after Biden left office.

The secret service had access to ALL those places. Each and every one of them.

Anonymous wrote:Either having classified documents scattered around is ok, or it’s not. The precedent was set last year that it’s not, but somehow this one is different……

Everyone agrees that it is not ok, but whether it is a crime depends on knowledge and intent. They are literally in the law.

Either having classified documents scattered around is ok, or it’s not. The precedent was set last year that it’s not, but somehow this one is different……

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Now, do the number of days the classified materials were held in unsecured locations.
And, how many people had access to the material.

Who had the keys to the office at the Penn Biden center?

Who had access to the keys to the house in Delaware (apparently owned by Hunter)?

Where else were the Biden classified materials held? The Penn Biden center didn't open for over a year after Biden left office.

So you forgive Trump for his classified materials?

That’s a nice deflection. Biden did not have authority to view documents outside a scif. He could have built a scif at his office in DC or at his house in Delaware. Clearly the Corvette shows that he had some coin. And frankly as a former VP, writing a memoir, he could have probably had it paid for by the government. But he didn’t and one of the things regular feds like me are told over and over is that carelessness with classified documents does not absolve us of legal or professional discipline. Stop deflecting with “whataboutism.”

Agree 100%. They are both guilty of mishandling classified papers. Trump seemingly is ALSO guilty of not returning them over when they were found.

feds and contractors are also scrutinized over computers and digital materials. Presumably after Snowden processes / protocols were reviewed to prevent such leaks. This should be SOP at every level. I’m tired of the “but that person did it worse” arguments. A functional government does not look at party affiliation. All these gotcha moments and you should ignore what x did bc y did it worse arguments are tiresome. The responsible bureaucrats need to do their jobs and work to get the holes closed.

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Now, do the number of days the classified materials were held in unsecured locations.
And, how many people had access to the material.

Who had the keys to the office at the Penn Biden center?

Who had access to the keys to the house in Delaware (apparently owned by Hunter)?

Where else were the Biden classified materials held? The Penn Biden center didn't open for over a year after Biden left office.

So you forgive Trump for his classified materials?

That’s a nice deflection. Biden did not have authority to view documents outside a scif. He could have built a scif at his office in DC or at his house in Delaware. Clearly the Corvette shows that he had some coin. And frankly as a former VP, writing a memoir, he could have probably had it paid for by the government. But he didn’t and one of the things regular feds like me are told over and over is that carelessness with classified documents does not absolve us of legal or professional discipline. Stop deflecting with “whataboutism.”

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Now, do the number of days the classified materials were held in unsecured locations.
And, how many people had access to the material.

Who had the keys to the office at the Penn Biden center?

Who had access to the keys to the house in Delaware (apparently owned by Hunter)?

Where else were the Biden classified materials held? The Penn Biden center didn't open for over a year after Biden left office.

So you forgive Trump for his classified materials?

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Now, do the number of days the classified materials were held in unsecured locations.
And, how many people had access to the material.

Who had the keys to the office at the Penn Biden center?

Who had access to the keys to the house in Delaware (apparently owned by Hunter)?

Where else were the Biden classified materials held? The Penn Biden center didn't open for over a year after Biden left office.

And we've got a second special counsel. We'll see if Biden goes on any rants about Hur the way Trump has about Mueller and Smith.

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Anonymous wrote:Hilary, Trump, now Biden. Who is the librarian responsible for making sure documents particularly paper ones are returned. If Joe-schmoe government employee had docs at home, they’d be in deep trouble. What the heck??

Agree.

Either it's vitally important to secure classified or it's not. And don't think the rank and file aren't observing as the people at the highest levels get off scot free.

Even if it seems that the Biden situation is different (although that's in question after more docs discovered today) this means that whatever case there might have been against Trump is dead in the water.

+1

Overclassification is definitely a problem, but the rules are the rules.

Hmmmm.......