Wait until you have to give up retirement because your adult child keeps reproducing and not being able to afford their offspring

Call me callous, call me manipulative - my child is not raising a child under my roof if I have any say over it.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

ok, but if she doesn't, I am not planning to pay to raise the child. I will present teen who is still financially dependent on us with the financial options.

She can choose to go forward, but it will be without our financial help.

We're all terribly impressed with your callousness.

Emotionally manipulated kid in terrible situation, op, you are a charming person and parent.

Do as I say or our family will abandon you.

0/10 would not recommend.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

ok, but if she doesn't, I am not planning to pay to raise the child. I will present teen who is still financially dependent on us with the financial options.

She can choose to go forward, but it will be without our financial help.

We're all terribly impressed with your callousness.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

ok, but if she doesn't, I am not planning to pay to raise the child. I will present teen who is still financially dependent on us with the financial options.

She can choose to go forward, but it will be without our financial help.

You legally cannot stop caring financially for your child. At least until age 18, and they have graduated from high school. You can be charged with various crimes for refusing to provide your minor child with adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and educational support.

I am amazed the hhi sjws posting here don’t know that.

Pregnancy is emancipating.

It's a ground for emancipation. Are you going to take your pregnant kid to court in order to no longer provide for them?

pp seems particularly unhappy to have to imagine a world where they might have to part with their precious money to support their own daughter and grandchild in the event of an unexpected pregnancy.

I wonder if the same group here complaining about the costs of supporting their own child and grandchild object to the millions American taxpayers must pay for people who enter America and get free ob-gyn care, pre-natal care, WIC, food stamps, housing assistance? Are they more worthy of that money than your own child and grandchild?

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

ok, but if she doesn't, I am not planning to pay to raise the child. I will present teen who is still financially dependent on us with the financial options.

She can choose to go forward, but it will be without our financial help.

You legally cannot stop caring financially for your child. At least until age 18, and they have graduated from high school. You can be charged with various crimes for refusing to provide your minor child with adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and educational support.

I am amazed the hhi sjws posting here don’t know that.

Pregnancy is emancipating.

Not automatically.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

And this is the distinction that I believe OP is trying to get people to recognize. There is: anti-abortion (anti-choice type 1), prochoice, and pro-abortion (anti-choice type 2).

The majority of people have at least one situation where the *only* choice they’d make for themselves is to have an abortion. Even when they call themselves anti-abortion, almost everyone has some situation they’d choose abortion, such as a pregnancy that is killing the mother. Those who have a dependent child also get to make that decision for the child if they live in a state with access to abortion—that is legally a fact. If that choice is abortion and the teen is say 16 or 17 and refuses an abortion and then the parents allow her to carry to term, they will be legally obliged to take care of their daughter until she is 18 but after the daughter is 18 can kick them both out. It I know of no one in my circle who would do such a thing.

+1 Rick Santorum’s wife had an abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

ok, but if she doesn't, I am not planning to pay to raise the child. I will present teen who is still financially dependent on us with the financial options.

She can choose to go forward, but it will be without our financial help.

You legally cannot stop caring financially for your child. At least until age 18, and they have graduated from high school. You can be charged with various crimes for refusing to provide your minor child with adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and educational support.

I am amazed the hhi sjws posting here don’t know that.

Pregnancy is emancipating.

It's a ground for emancipation. Are you going to take your pregnant kid to court in order to no longer provide for them?

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

And this is the distinction that I believe OP is trying to get people to recognize. There is: anti-abortion (anti-choice type 1), prochoice, and pro-abortion (anti-choice type 2).

The majority of people have at least one situation where the *only* choice they’d make for themselves is to have an abortion. Even when they call themselves anti-abortion, almost everyone has some situation they’d choose abortion, such as a pregnancy that is killing the mother. Those who have a dependent child also get to make that decision for the child if they live in a state with access to abortion—that is legally a fact. If that choice is abortion and the teen is say 16 or 17 and refuses an abortion and then the parents allow her to carry to term, they will be legally obliged to take care of their daughter until she is 18 but after the daughter is 18 can kick them both out. It I know of no one in my circle who would do such a thing.

My DD is 11 and if she were to become pregnant I would absolutely support her. Children make mistakes. Children are brutalized. Our job as their parents is to teach and support.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

ok, but if she doesn't, I am not planning to pay to raise the child. I will present teen who is still financially dependent on us with the financial options.

She can choose to go forward, but it will be without our financial help.

You legally cannot stop caring financially for your child. At least until age 18, and they have graduated from high school. You can be charged with various crimes for refusing to provide your minor child with adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and educational support.

I am amazed the hhi sjws posting here don’t know that.

Pregnancy is emancipating.

Anonymous wrote:so, she has a child against our wishes and we are forced to pay for an extra mouth to feed?

This is why her option is abortion - period.

Legally, yes. It’s against the law to not provide food, clothing, shelter, etc, for minor children. You also can be charged for not taking your child to the doctor when they need medical care. You can be charged and convicted for not allowing your child to attend school.

Also: if you think it’s wrong that parents are responsible for providing basic life sustaining necessities such as food, clothing, shelter, medical care, etc, you are probably not a very nice person.

People: when you see articles in the news about parents who do dreadful things to their child and ask yourself, how could that happen here? Look above to the poster abandoning their child/grandchild and not willing to provide their own minor child with basic life sustaining necessities.

They walk in plain sight, among us.

so, she has a child against our wishes and we are forced to pay for an extra mouth to feed?

This is why her option is abortion - period.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

ok, but if she doesn't, I am not planning to pay to raise the child. I will present teen who is still financially dependent on us with the financial options.

She can choose to go forward, but it will be without our financial help.

You legally cannot stop caring financially for your child. At least until age 18, and they have graduated from high school. You can be charged with various crimes for refusing to provide your minor child with adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and educational support.

I am amazed the hhi sjws posting here don’t know that.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

Great, it’s clear you have no knowledge of pregnancy and the wide variety of circumstances under which people don’t know they’re pregnant until later, know but can’t get an abortion until later (even more common now due to 6 week bans) or son’t find out about serious fetal anomaly until after 20 weeks.

A pro-life family member did not find out about her baby’s fetal anencephalic development (i.e. without brain) until the 8th month. Yes, she had an abortion around 30 weeks. I fully supported her family’s decision. Because of her decision, she subsequently went on to have 3 more children.

But, sure, let’s make public policy for everyone based on your ignorance of reproductive health and your narrow world of the experience of you and your friend’s pregnancies.

Let me add that MANY OB/GYN practices are not seeing women until after 12 weeks. So you have 8 weeks to be seen, get testing, get U/S, see specialists, get bloodwork, go over results, make a decision, etc. all before any anatomy or additional development scans at 20 weeks. The poster above shocked at post-20 weeks is ghoulish and antiquated.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

ok, but if she doesn't, I am not planning to pay to raise the child. I will present teen who is still financially dependent on us with the financial options.

She can choose to go forward, but it will be without our financial help.