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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the victims transported by the helicopter crew survive? I definitely admire their bravery.

Yes. Jesse, the young man. Maybe others but at least him.

Jesse left on the 2nd boat, the Te Puia. His father was taken by helicopter but ultimately did not survive.

I just watched it. Jesse was rescued by the tour guide from the phoenix who stayed on the island after the phoenix left with the first batch of victims. I got the impression he left before the two maverick helicopter pilots (one of whom brought jesses dad to the hospital) arrived. The helicopter pilots got 12 people off the island who were still alive and left 8 deceased. Not sure how many of the 12 survived ultimately - maybe none.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't make myself watch. The rescue agencies just left those people there to die.

That’s not exactly true. The doc explains this.

I just watched it and it seems like that’s exactly what happened.

Disagree, every living person was rescued.

I was so impressed with that young man who lost the rest of his family! Talk about PTSD.

Huh? They were rescued, but not by the rescue agencies. Other people bravely stepped in to do their job.

Exactly. And not only that, but many of those who were rescued ended up dying later. Who knows if being helped better/sooner could have saved any of them.

Am I the only one who caught the fact the closest rescue by helicopter was an hour away? The private company was 20 minutes away. The closest boats were 60-90 minutes away. This was an act of god and most people were killed instantly or dead before even the closest rescue could have gotten to them. The kid who survived had no way of knowing his family was still alive when he was rescued.

It is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the idea professional medical personnel left them to die is patently absurd.

The “professional medical personnel” didn’t even bother to show up.

The brave people who stepped in almost missed that kid. They were about to leave before they found him.

Sometimes a decision to continue search and rescue or recovery is based on time and the fact putting further lives in danger who then need rescue or recovery. If you have never worked in emergency services you wouldn’t know that. So you sit on the sidelines making your opinions known. Yes there were CLOSER people who went who could have ended up in further danger.

The putting further lives in danger theory is weak
And if a helicopter had landed, or if more rescue personnel had arrived, they would have been fine

You need real facts, not whimps that are afraid

NP but they didn’t know it would be fine. What if that was just an initial eruption? It was really dangerous for those tour guides to go back and look for survivors and for the helicopters to land. It’s easy to say the emergency personnel would be fine now. Just like it’s easy to say tours shouldn’t have been on the island at level two.

The mountain is fairly tame as far as eruptions go
Based on historical data, risk would have been minimal
Initial eruption is all that it gives, thereafter dormant for a decade at least, people living there know that

Yes but eruptions can last days. They didn't know if the eruption was finished or not.

It's definitely not a straightforward call.

+1. My son is a volcanologist. He says another eruption could have followed without warning. How many lives would you have sacrificed if you were in charge of sending more personnel to the volcano?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't make myself watch. The rescue agencies just left those people there to die.

That’s not exactly true. The doc explains this.

I just watched it and it seems like that’s exactly what happened.

Disagree, every living person was rescued.

I was so impressed with that young man who lost the rest of his family! Talk about PTSD.

Huh? They were rescued, but not by the rescue agencies. Other people bravely stepped in to do their job.

Exactly. And not only that, but many of those who were rescued ended up dying later. Who knows if being helped better/sooner could have saved any of them.

Am I the only one who caught the fact the closest rescue by helicopter was an hour away? The private company was 20 minutes away. The closest boats were 60-90 minutes away. This was an act of god and most people were killed instantly or dead before even the closest rescue could have gotten to them. The kid who survived had no way of knowing his family was still alive when he was rescued.

It is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the idea professional medical personnel left them to die is patently absurd.

The “professional medical personnel” didn’t even bother to show up.

The brave people who stepped in almost missed that kid. They were about to leave before they found him.

Sometimes a decision to continue search and rescue or recovery is based on time and the fact putting further lives in danger who then need rescue or recovery. If you have never worked in emergency services you wouldn’t know that. So you sit on the sidelines making your opinions known. Yes there were CLOSER people who went who could have ended up in further danger.

The putting further lives in danger theory is weak
And if a helicopter had landed, or if more rescue personnel had arrived, they would have been fine

You need real facts, not whimps that are afraid

NP but they didn’t know it would be fine. What if that was just an initial eruption? It was really dangerous for those tour guides to go back and look for survivors and for the helicopters to land. It’s easy to say the emergency personnel would be fine now. Just like it’s easy to say tours shouldn’t have been on the island at level two.

The mountain is fairly tame as far as eruptions go
Based on historical data, risk would have been minimal
Initial eruption is all that it gives, thereafter dormant for a decade at least, people living there know that

Yes but eruptions can last days. They didn't know if the eruption was finished or not.

It's definitely not a straightforward call.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the victims transported by the helicopter crew survive? I definitely admire their bravery.

Yes. Jesse, the young man. Maybe others but at least him.

Jesse left on the 2nd boat, the Te Puia. His father was taken by helicopter but ultimately did not survive.

I did some googling and from what I can tell, they saved one, a woman named Stephanie whose Dad and younger sister died. They loaded her Dad on the helicopter too but he died about a month after.

It sounds like she and Jesse were the only people who survived from the tour group that was closest to the volcano.

I wish the documentary went into more detail about the order to not send any rescue to the island for being to unsafe.
The end of the doc said the other bodies were recovered a few days later (if I remember correctly) but it seems like an awful long time for that recovery.
Also makes the rescue by the individual pilots all the more amazing. Sounds like they defied orders and just did a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the victims transported by the helicopter crew survive? I definitely admire their bravery.

Yes. Jesse, the young man. Maybe others but at least him.

Jesse left on the 2nd boat, the Te Puia. His father was taken by helicopter but ultimately did not survive.

Correct. His father was in the helicopter that was ordered to fly to the airport. The pilot decided to go against the authorities instructions and fly directly to the hospital. Sadly, the father passed away despite the heroic pilot’s actions.

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Anonymous wrote:Did any of the victims transported by the helicopter crew survive? I definitely admire their bravery.

Yes. Jesse, the young man. Maybe others but at least him.

Jesse left on the 2nd boat, the Te Puia. His father was taken by helicopter but ultimately did not survive.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't make myself watch. The rescue agencies just left those people there to die.

That’s not exactly true. The doc explains this.

I just watched it and it seems like that’s exactly what happened.

Disagree, every living person was rescued.

I was so impressed with that young man who lost the rest of his family! Talk about PTSD.

Huh? They were rescued, but not by the rescue agencies. Other people bravely stepped in to do their job.

Exactly. And not only that, but many of those who were rescued ended up dying later. Who knows if being helped better/sooner could have saved any of them.

Am I the only one who caught the fact the closest rescue by helicopter was an hour away? The private company was 20 minutes away. The closest boats were 60-90 minutes away. This was an act of god and most people were killed instantly or dead before even the closest rescue could have gotten to them. The kid who survived had no way of knowing his family was still alive when he was rescued.

It is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the idea professional medical personnel left them to die is patently absurd.

The “professional medical personnel” didn’t even bother to show up.

The brave people who stepped in almost missed that kid. They were about to leave before they found him.

Sometimes a decision to continue search and rescue or recovery is based on time and the fact putting further lives in danger who then need rescue or recovery. If you have never worked in emergency services you wouldn’t know that. So you sit on the sidelines making your opinions known. Yes there were CLOSER people who went who could have ended up in further danger.

The putting further lives in danger theory is weak
And if a helicopter had landed, or if more rescue personnel had arrived, they would have been fine

You need real facts, not whimps that are afraid

NP but they didn’t know it would be fine. What if that was just an initial eruption? It was really dangerous for those tour guides to go back and look for survivors and for the helicopters to land. It’s easy to say the emergency personnel would be fine now. Just like it’s easy to say tours shouldn’t have been on the island at level two.

The mountain is fairly tame as far as eruptions go
Based on historical data, risk would have been minimal
Initial eruption is all that it gives, thereafter dormant for a decade at least, people living there know that

What are you talking about dormant for a decade? Did you read any of the articles or watch the documentary?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't make myself watch. The rescue agencies just left those people there to die.

That’s not exactly true. The doc explains this.

I just watched it and it seems like that’s exactly what happened.

Disagree, every living person was rescued.

I was so impressed with that young man who lost the rest of his family! Talk about PTSD.

Huh? They were rescued, but not by the rescue agencies. Other people bravely stepped in to do their job.

Exactly. And not only that, but many of those who were rescued ended up dying later. Who knows if being helped better/sooner could have saved any of them.

Am I the only one who caught the fact the closest rescue by helicopter was an hour away? The private company was 20 minutes away. The closest boats were 60-90 minutes away. This was an act of god and most people were killed instantly or dead before even the closest rescue could have gotten to them. The kid who survived had no way of knowing his family was still alive when he was rescued.

It is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the idea professional medical personnel left them to die is patently absurd.

The “professional medical personnel” didn’t even bother to show up.

The brave people who stepped in almost missed that kid. They were about to leave before they found him.

Sometimes a decision to continue search and rescue or recovery is based on time and the fact putting further lives in danger who then need rescue or recovery. If you have never worked in emergency services you wouldn’t know that. So you sit on the sidelines making your opinions known. Yes there were CLOSER people who went who could have ended up in further danger.

The putting further lives in danger theory is weak
And if a helicopter had landed, or if more rescue personnel had arrived, they would have been fine

You need real facts, not whimps that are afraid

NP but they didn’t know it would be fine. What if that was just an initial eruption? It was really dangerous for those tour guides to go back and look for survivors and for the helicopters to land. It’s easy to say the emergency personnel would be fine now. Just like it’s easy to say tours shouldn’t have been on the island at level two.

The mountain is fairly tame as far as eruptions go
Based on historical data, risk would have been minimal
Initial eruption is all that it gives, thereafter dormant for a decade at least, people living there know that

“New Zealand's geological monitoring agency, GNS Science, upgraded the chance of an eruption in the next 24 hours to between 50 and 60 per cent.

Ahead of the mission, New Zealand police deputy commissioner Mike Clement admitted he was worried for the safety of the recovery team.

'Let there be no mistake, it is not a zero-risk game and people are putting themselves on the front line to do the right thing,' he said.

'Of course I'm worried, I'd be inhuman if I wasn't worried.' …

GNS also said current monitoring showed the appearance of shallow magma beneath the vent.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7788165/White-Island-rescue-workers-search-remaining-two-bodies.html

According to this article, 38 of the 47 people on the island during the eruption were on an excursion from the Royal Caribbean cruise ship Ovation of the seas. Scary…..

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a42295664/whakaari-volcano-victims-survivors/

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Anonymous wrote:I can't make myself watch. The rescue agencies just left those people there to die.

That’s not exactly true. The doc explains this.

I just watched it and it seems like that’s exactly what happened.

Disagree, every living person was rescued.

I was so impressed with that young man who lost the rest of his family! Talk about PTSD.

Huh? They were rescued, but not by the rescue agencies. Other people bravely stepped in to do their job.

Exactly. And not only that, but many of those who were rescued ended up dying later. Who knows if being helped better/sooner could have saved any of them.

Am I the only one who caught the fact the closest rescue by helicopter was an hour away? The private company was 20 minutes away. The closest boats were 60-90 minutes away. This was an act of god and most people were killed instantly or dead before even the closest rescue could have gotten to them. The kid who survived had no way of knowing his family was still alive when he was rescued.

It is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but the idea professional medical personnel left them to die is patently absurd.

The “professional medical personnel” didn’t even bother to show up.

The brave people who stepped in almost missed that kid. They were about to leave before they found him.

Sometimes a decision to continue search and rescue or recovery is based on time and the fact putting further lives in danger who then need rescue or recovery. If you have never worked in emergency services you wouldn’t know that. So you sit on the sidelines making your opinions known. Yes there were CLOSER people who went who could have ended up in further danger.

The putting further lives in danger theory is weak
And if a helicopter had landed, or if more rescue personnel had arrived, they would have been fine

You need real facts, not whimps that are afraid

NP but they didn’t know it would be fine. What if that was just an initial eruption? It was really dangerous for those tour guides to go back and look for survivors and for the helicopters to land. It’s easy to say the emergency personnel would be fine now. Just like it’s easy to say tours shouldn’t have been on the island at level two.

The mountain is fairly tame as far as eruptions go
Based on historical data, risk would have been minimal
Initial eruption is all that it gives, thereafter dormant for a decade at least, people living there know that