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Why does he expect democrats to not field a candidate? Do the Arizona state party rules even allow for that?

Democrats just did this in Utah for Evan McMullin and did it in Alaska in 2020.

Al Gross was on the democrat's primary ballot- Alaska is a weird state

https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_election_in_Alaska,_2020

Democrats in Utah voted to not have a nominee at their convention. Arizona democrats hate Sinema now- why would they defer to her like that?

People do not understand how angry AZ Dem voters are at Sinema. The AZ Dems are consolidated and fired up to replace her.

The GOP will put up a MAGA candidate in 2024 and that person will get 35% of the vote in a general election. That leaves 65% to split between Dem Gallego and Ind. Sinema. Gallego will get at least 40%

The math doesn’t work for Independent Sinema in the 2024 General Election. Shes appealing to disaffected non-MAGA Republicans and there are not enough of them to win.

Why does he expect democrats to not field a candidate? Do the Arizona state party rules even allow for that?

Democrats just did this in Utah for Evan McMullin and did it in Alaska in 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would she do this? Running as an independent ensures no Dem in AZ will vote for her (or only they very disillusioned would) and it will split the Republican vote because the GOP will run a MAGA candidate.

You answered your own question. She is part of the Koch funded "greens" astroturfing who was more politically successful than anyone could have imagined. She isn't and never has been a progressive green party representative.

You don’t know much about her then before her Senate days.

You don't know much about the far right astroturfing "the green party" do you. Look at Jill Stein as another example.

But her party change causes defeat for GOP not the Dems

How so? Low information voters will see her name and vote for her. Hardcore dems will vote for Gallego. The GOP will vote for whoever the put up. The GOP will win in a plurality. She is splitting Dem votes, not GOP votes.

I know this last election was more than a month ago now, but I think it pretty clearly showed, particularly in Arizona, that Republican voters will not just vote for whomever the GOP puts up.

That's certainly true, but a large number of them will. Both Masters and Lake got 49% of the total vote statewide, despite being absolute nutcases. If that block holds, and Sinema peals off even 2% of the republicans or independents who voted for Kelly and Hobbs, then the republican would win.

I'm liking more and more Georgia's law of needing over 50% to win.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a movement to change AZ's law to adopt this or some kind of ranked choice. The GOP still controls the AZ legislature, but the Ds might be able to tempt a few of the moderate Rs ones to go for something like this as a way to temper the extremism in their own party. And now they have the Governorship too.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is anyone allowed to change party affiliation in the middle of their elected terms. Our democracy is so flawed. This should require her to resign. People did not vote her to be “independent”. She used Democratic machinations and voters for election and now she is saying f u!

Let's be real, you would not have this outrage if any Republicans made the same move as Sinema.

We vote for people, not parties - or at least we should.

Oh yes no one was at all outraged when Arlen Specter did this. 🫠
- am old

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Anonymous wrote:Why is anyone allowed to change party affiliation in the middle of their elected terms. Our democracy is so flawed. This should require her to resign. People did not vote her to be “independent”. She used Democratic machinations and voters for election and now she is saying f u!

Let's be real, you would not have this outrage if any Republicans made the same move as Sinema.

We vote for people, not parties - or at least we should.

Maybe we "should" but that is just not realistic these days. There are huge consequences based on political party. Do you think anyone voted for Hershel Walker because they thought he would be a good senator?

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Anonymous wrote:She is a woman of integrity and this is great news.
I wish more politicians, both Democrats & Republican, would do this!

She criticized Joe Lieberman for this lol.

It’s not about “integrity.”

People grow and change.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a woman of integrity and this is great news.
I wish more politicians, both Democrats & Republican, would do this!

She criticized Joe Lieberman for this lol.

It’s not about “integrity.”

OMG just the best.

"To put it mildly, Sinema has not endeared herself to Democrats in her home state. Earlier this year, Data For Progress polled Arizona Democrats and found the incumbent senator trailing Gallego in a hypothetical primary match-up, 74% to 16%. That’s not a typo: She actually trailed the popular congressman by 58 points.

With this in mind, Sinema very likely realized that she had a decision to make: She could (a) retire; (b) take steps to repair the relationship with the Democratic voters who elected her in the first place; or (c) take her chances as an independent.

As a tactical matter, settling on the third option makes sense. Sinema was very likely to lose a Democratic primary, her voting record made a run as a Republican implausible, and she didn’t want to walk away from Capitol Hill altogether. Becoming an independent is a sensible strategy.

Indeed, it’s not unrealistic to think it might very well save her career. Democrats will likely think twice about running a candidate against her in 2024, fearing that splitting the center-left mainstream could leave the seat in Republican hands. "



Why does he expect democrats to not field a candidate? Do the Arizona state party rules even allow for that?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is anyone allowed to change party affiliation in the middle of their elected terms. Our democracy is so flawed. This should require her to resign. People did not vote her to be “independent”. She used Democratic machinations and voters for election and now she is saying f u!

Let's be real, you would not have this outrage if any Republicans made the same move as Sinema.

We vote for people, not parties - or at least we should.

Exactly! +1

Anonymous wrote:Why is anyone allowed to change party affiliation in the middle of their elected terms. Our democracy is so flawed. This should require her to resign. People did not vote her to be “independent”. She used Democratic machinations and voters for election and now she is saying f u!

Let's be real, you would not have this outrage if any Republicans made the same move as Sinema.

We vote for people, not parties - or at least we should.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is anyone allowed to change party affiliation in the middle of their elected terms. Our democracy is so flawed. This should require her to resign. People did not vote her to be “independent”. She used Democratic machinations and voters for election and now she is saying f u!

+1.

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She does like to be at the center of attention, but I’d be interested to know if that is what Arizonans wanted when they elected her. There’s something untrustworthy about her and this just confirms it.

Anonymous wrote:She is a woman of integrity and this is great news.
I wish more politicians, both Democrats & Republican, would do this!

Is this a joke?

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Anonymous wrote:She is a woman of integrity and this is great news.
I wish more politicians, both Democrats & Republican, would do this!

She criticized Joe Lieberman for this lol.

It’s not about “integrity.”

OMG just the best.

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Anonymous wrote:This is such disingenuous bullsh|t.

She's right. We need a spectrum of ideas rather than two extremes. Good for her.

Why did she run as a progressive, then?

She is all over the place. I think her main motivation with this move is to avoid a primary challenge.

You only care about a primary challenger if you care about reelection. She's unelectable now

Karen is gonna karen .