Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I read, it's likely there will be significant change in Ivy League admissions driven by whatever the Supreme Court decides on Affirmative action and the schools moving away from test scores as a significant basis for admissions decisions.

The treatment of Asians in this process (discounting test scores and using subjective "personality" assessments) has been nothing short of scandalous and near indefensible (although the schools will try to defend the practice).

The advantage that private schools have had in this process might melt away driven by concerns over DEI.

The same goes for both legacy and athletic preferences. There's no real reason that HYP have to have nationally ranked teams.)

It's not impossible to envision an Ivy League dominated by Asians and URMs.

The schools have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Their current system may be both illegal and indefensible logically.

The correction to the system is going to be significant and there will be winners and losers. I'd be willing to bet the exclusive private schools will be among the losers.

Planning your DC's elementary and high school careers based on the current system of Ivy admission is fraught with risk unless you believe there is no substantiative change coming or that you will somehow be untouched or even advantaged by it.

Nothing stops the Ivies from using race or any other arbitrary criteria they choose in their secret deliberations, as long as they don't make it explicit in writing somewhere. Screening out too many Asians is easy. No one can sue them for choosing one group of 4% of applicants over another that way. Otherwise, there would be a dozen lawsuits every year based on every criteria imaginable.

They are never going to adopt a numerical formula of grades and test scores then just take the top few hundred. It's way more complex than that.

Agree - it is holistic now and will continue to be. I actually think known schools (such as privates or well-known publics) get an advantage when there is less data bc being a member of the community shows they can do the work.

Anonymous wrote:From what I read, it's likely there will be significant change in Ivy League admissions driven by whatever the Supreme Court decides on Affirmative action and the schools moving away from test scores as a significant basis for admissions decisions.

The treatment of Asians in this process (discounting test scores and using subjective "personality" assessments) has been nothing short of scandalous and near indefensible (although the schools will try to defend the practice).

The advantage that private schools have had in this process might melt away driven by concerns over DEI.

The same goes for both legacy and athletic preferences. There's no real reason that HYP have to have nationally ranked teams.)

It's not impossible to envision an Ivy League dominated by Asians and URMs.

The schools have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Their current system may be both illegal and indefensible logically.

The correction to the system is going to be significant and there will be winners and losers. I'd be willing to bet the exclusive private schools will be among the losers.

Planning your DC's elementary and high school careers based on the current system of Ivy admission is fraught with risk unless you believe there is no substantiative change coming or that you will somehow be untouched or even advantaged by it.

Nothing stops the Ivies from using race or any other arbitrary criteria they choose in their secret deliberations, as long as they don't make it explicit in writing somewhere. Screening out too many Asians is easy. No one can sue them for choosing one group of 4% of applicants over another that way. Otherwise, there would be a dozen lawsuits every year based on every criteria imaginable.

They are never going to adopt a numerical formula of grades and test scores then just take the top few hundred. It's way more complex than that.

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From what I read, it's likely there will be significant change in Ivy League admissions driven by whatever the Supreme Court decides on Affirmative action and the schools moving away from test scores as a significant basis for admissions decisions.

The treatment of Asians in this process (discounting test scores and using subjective "personality" assessments) has been nothing short of scandalous and near indefensible (although the schools will try to defend the practice).

The advantage that private schools have had in this process might melt away driven by concerns over DEI.

The same goes for both legacy and athletic preferences. There's no real reason that HYP have to have nationally ranked teams.)

It's not impossible to envision an Ivy League dominated by Asians and URMs.

The schools have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Their current system may be both illegal and indefensible logically.

The correction to the system is going to be significant and there will be winners and losers. I'd be willing to bet the exclusive private schools will be among the losers.

Planning your DC's elementary and high school careers based on the current system of Ivy admission is fraught with risk unless you believe there is no substantiative change coming or that you will somehow be untouched or even advantaged by it.



This post is silly. Athletic preferences aren't going anywhere - doubtful legacy will either - fair or not.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to compare where the tops of the classes at the various privates end up for college, but I often think its much more instructive to try to figure out where the middles and the bottoms of each class end up. At any one of the privates in this area admission to top schools is influenced, by legacy, athletics and other hooks. But where the kid with the 3.0 or below ends up is perhaps much more indicative of the reputation of the school with various colleges. Just a thought.

Finally someone makes a good point

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to compare where the tops of the classes at the various privates end up for college, but I often think its much more instructive to try to figure out where the middles and the bottoms of each class end up. At any one of the privates in this area admission to top schools is influenced, by legacy, athletics and other hooks. But where the kid with the 3.0 or below ends up is perhaps much more indicative of the reputation of the school with various colleges. Just a thought.

I agree 100%.
Most of the class at these schools will have worked hard for a 2.5 to 3.5.
Where do they go to college? That is the real strength of a school.

i agree as well. I don't understand why schools don't make their Naviance data publicly available so we can sort through it ourselves. The people have a right to know!

Anonymous wrote:Everyone likes to compare where the tops of the classes at the various privates end up for college, but I often think its much more instructive to try to figure out where the middles and the bottoms of each class end up. At any one of the privates in this area admission to top schools is influenced, by legacy, athletics and other hooks. But where the kid with the 3.0 or below ends up is perhaps much more indicative of the reputation of the school with various colleges. Just a thought.

I agree 100%.
Most of the class at these schools will have worked hard for a 2.5 to 3.5.
Where do they go to college? That is the real strength of a school.

Everyone likes to compare where the tops of the classes at the various privates end up for college, but I often think its much more instructive to try to figure out where the middles and the bottoms of each class end up. At any one of the privates in this area admission to top schools is influenced, by legacy, athletics and other hooks. But where the kid with the 3.0 or below ends up is perhaps much more indicative of the reputation of the school with various colleges. Just a thought.

From what I read, it's likely there will be significant change in Ivy League admissions driven by whatever the Supreme Court decides on Affirmative action and the schools moving away from test scores as a significant basis for admissions decisions.

The treatment of Asians in this process (discounting test scores and using subjective "personality" assessments) has been nothing short of scandalous and near indefensible (although the schools will try to defend the practice).

The advantage that private schools have had in this process might melt away driven by concerns over DEI.

The same goes for both legacy and athletic preferences. There's no real reason that HYP have to have nationally ranked teams.)

It's not impossible to envision an Ivy League dominated by Asians and URMs.

The schools have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Their current system may be both illegal and indefensible logically.

The correction to the system is going to be significant and there will be winners and losers. I'd be willing to bet the exclusive private schools will be among the losers.

Planning your DC's elementary and high school careers based on the current system of Ivy admission is fraught with risk unless you believe there is no substantiative change coming or that you will somehow be untouched or even advantaged by it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Andover. Exeter. Deerfield. Choate. Lawrenceville. Nothing in DMV.

+1. Boarding schools and top NYC privates are the best way to go, but your kid has to be able to hack it. National Cathedral is the top producer in DC with the #12 spot on the top 70 Ivy League feeders list. After National Cathedral it's STA, Sidwell, and GDS.

https://ivyleaguefeeders.com/top-70-high-school-list

At first glance, the little that I know, those numbers look off. I didn’t see anything about methodology or what year data is from, so maybe that is it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Andover. Exeter. Deerfield. Choate. Lawrenceville. Nothing in DMV.

+1. Boarding schools and top NYC privates are the best way to go, but your kid has to be able to hack it. National Cathedral is the top producer in DC with the #12 spot on the top 70 Ivy League feeders list. After National Cathedral it's STA, Sidwell, and GDS.

https://ivyleaguefeeders.com/top-70-high-school-list

Maret has about same as GDS and Sidwell proportionally as well. Gonzaga and Prep as well.

Anonymous wrote:Andover. Exeter. Deerfield. Choate. Lawrenceville. Nothing in DMV.

+1. Boarding schools and top NYC privates are the best way to go, but your kid has to be able to hack it. National Cathedral is the top producer in DC with the #12 spot on the top 70 Ivy League feeders list. After National Cathedral it's STA, Sidwell, and GDS.

https://ivyleaguefeeders.com/top-70-high-school-list

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ sends 25% of its kids (over 100) to T20 schools each year. So save your cash and try to get your kid into the free public that outdoes almost every school on that list. Plus easy admits to UVA, Tech and free rides at Pitt, Purdue, UIUC.

I don't want my kids to go to any of those colleges. Not even sure what UIUC is, but am sure my kids won't be applying.

No T20 colleges for your kiddos. OK then.

I have a kid at STA with friends at GDS and anecdotally, their college placement seemed equally impressive. Lots of good outcomes around the DMV.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ sends 25% of its kids (over 100) to T20 schools each year. So save your cash and try to get your kid into the free public that outdoes almost every school on that list. Plus easy admits to UVA, Tech and free rides at Pitt, Purdue, UIUC.

To do that, one would have to live in Virginia.

No thanks.

Virginia isn’t so bad.

It is terrible. You have Glen Youngkin encouraging violence + book bans. Redneck Richie Rich.

What the morons do in Richmond has almost nothing to do with life in the NoVa suburbs, which have a lot to offer. No one should be deterred by comical caricatures.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ sends 25% of its kids (over 100) to T20 schools each year. So save your cash and try to get your kid into the free public that outdoes almost every school on that list. Plus easy admits to UVA, Tech and free rides at Pitt, Purdue, UIUC.

To do that, one would have to live in Virginia.

No thanks.

Virginia isn’t so bad.

It is terrible. You have Glen Youngkin encouraging violence + book bans. Redneck Richie Rich.