Anonymous
11/30/2022 12:09
Subject: Re:Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I find the study mildly interesting, but quite amusing as both Stacy Dale and Alan Krueger hold degrees from Ivy League schools including Princeton, Harvard, and Cornell.
+1 that grads from very elite institutions with very elite jobs at very elite institutions are pretending it doesn't matter. ROFL for anyone to take that BS seriously.
Fortunately peer-reviewed research doesn't care about your our cynicism and ignorance.
I don't think the research can capture the qualitative difference in opportunities, rather than bands of salaries etc. I'm it saying the kids are better or more qualified. Just that they get very different opportunities starting out.
Most social science research of this type is very subjective in terms of how it's framed and set up.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 12:04
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.
For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections
A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.
I went to Harvard as a kid of immigrant parents, generic UMC but not rich. Totally disagree that all the rich kids just stick together or whatever. Everyone lives in the dorms, everyone is on the unlimited meal plan etc. Freshman roommate assignments are given by the school. There's a range of people and friends/activities felt really mixed.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 12:03
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:It doesn't have to be an ivy, most top 50 schools provide similar opportunities. Ivy just has a better name brand as a cluster.
Yup again below is overall for major colleges in Boston area,
1 MIT: $111K
2 Boston College: $93K
3 Harvard: $85K
4 Northeastern: $80K
5 Boston University: $76K
6 Brandeis: $70K
7 Tufts: $67K
and also major matters more,
Harvard CS: $160,000 > GMU CS: $83,185 > Harvard English: $43,845 > GMU English: $28,000
Anonymous
11/30/2022 11:55
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.
For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections
A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.
Lower income kids get very generous aid at these schools and it includes money for extracurriculars, trips and semester abroad etc. Actually upper middle class is they worse there because their parents are already pushing their limits to afford tuition and living expenses and just don't have money to give for other things. Financial aid kids are better off there as they are eligible for many perks. These schools really do wonders for poor kids.
PP sounds like s/he's speaking from experience.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 11:07
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.
For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections
A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.
Because they are one percenters at these places hob nobbing with other one percenters no one else should bother to attend? That is ridiculous.
An education in how skewed the world is and incredible privilege and connections enjoyed by some is a good lesson, not a bad lesson. Take a good hard look kids do you can understand how this works. Better than being ignorant.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 11:02
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
It doesn't have to be an ivy, most top 50 schools provide similar opportunities. Ivy just has a better name brand as a cluster.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 10:59
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.
For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections
A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.
lower income kids going to those schools and majoring in useless stuff is the biggest mistake
as if when they went to a different school that they would choose one of the DCUM-approved STEM majors instead. if you're going to choose a non-approved major, aren't you much better off doing it at one of these schools?
Majority of freshmen change majors (unless banned by controlling parents) so flexibility is crucial.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 10:57
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.
For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections
A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.
Lower income kids get very generous aid at these schools and it includes money for extracurriculars, trips and semester abroad etc. Actually upper middle class is they worse there because their parents are already pushing their limits to afford tuition and living expenses and just don't have money to give for other things. Financial aid kids are better off there as they are eligible for many perks. These schools really do wonders for poor kids.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 10:56
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.
For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections
A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.
lower income kids going to those schools and majoring in useless stuff is the biggest mistake
as if when they went to a different school that they would choose one of the DCUM-approved STEM majors instead. if you're going to choose a non-approved major, aren't you much better off doing it at one of these schools?
Anonymous
11/30/2022 10:50
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.
For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections
A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.
lower income kids going to those schools and majoring in useless stuff is the biggest mistake
Why? These school are very rich and give so much financial assistance to low income students, they can be cheaper than many other options. If a kid gets a questbridge match, that is a full ride.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 10:45
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.
For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections
A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.
lower income kids going to those schools and majoring in useless stuff is the biggest mistake
Anonymous
11/30/2022 10:37
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.
For most that attend Ivy's, they would have had the same connections if they went anywhere---their connections are often from their rich parents/family members. Only the lower income students who attend Ivy's really get any "connection benefit" from attending a top school. The rich kids already have those connections
A lower income kid (including upper middle class DMV kids from donut hole families) is not going to network with rich kids. The rich kids know each other and stick to each other. A lower income kid would have to be extremely pushy to break into that crowd. Even then, it’s probably a mistake. Lower income kid will be shut out of a lot of things that the rich kids do because the lower income kid simply can’t afford them.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 10:37
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ha this is funny. I had a colleague who went to Princeton Undergrad and Harvard Law who was doing the same in house job as me who went to American Undergrad and Catholic Law. My spouse was like see--school doesn't make a difference.
The same job? Of course people that do similar jobs did not all go to the same schools.
the point is they had the same outcome...
Then you are if the opinion that all institutions, teachers, colleagues, resources are of equal quality. I don't believe that. I think a student is more likely to find really excellent professors and other opportunities at a very well funded high-ranked institution.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 10:10
Subject: Re:Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Of course one's major area of study matters. Compare schools by results for similar majors.
You sound like you're measuring success by salary. Not everyone shares that outlook.
Literally everyone shares that outlook except for the 1%.
What a sad way to look at the world. You think the only reason that people become teachers or social workers is because they couldn't get a job in investment banking?
Not necessarily IB, but yes they were not capable for or couldn't get more rewarding career. Nothing sad about it that's how the world works.
Wow, you have a seriously warped view of how the world works.
Anonymous
11/30/2022 09:59
Subject: Ivies aren't the best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ha this is funny. I had a colleague who went to Princeton Undergrad and Harvard Law who was doing the same in house job as me who went to American Undergrad and Catholic Law. My spouse was like see--school doesn't make a difference.
The same job? Of course people that do similar jobs did not all go to the same schools.
the point is they had the same outcome...