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Post 12/22/2022 22:36     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Oh goody my DD can twiddle thumbs in class for 30 hrs a week but will make it up with 3 hours on the weekend or one week in the summer.

I just hate the waste of time that it is. Put her in a comfortable study hall with books and puzzles and legos, our outside playing, if your aren’t going to teach her. I would home school except we both work and it would be isolating.


If your kid is that bored, why not move to Fairfax? Our kids are in bilingual program in APS, I think that helped keep them from getting bored.


When we moved here they had a pull out gifted program. We bought a house older kids are in school — going to FCPS is much harder than it was 6 years ago (and housing is now more expensive in FFX while Arlington has dropped because who cares about commute)


Arlington housing prices have not dropped.


Compare to peak of pandemic, they certainly have, and compared to fairfax they have dropped further. Thus to make a lateral move it will cost more. Even exurbs have risen remarkably relative to arlington like Howard Co.


Well, not in my south Arlington neighborhood. Sales slowed a bit when interest rates rose; but prices haven't been significantly dropping.


That’s true. But most So Arlington parents who are academic oriented stayed for elementary or middle because they are in ATS or HB. Folks looking for IB we’re looking at WL zoning and those prices have dropped a lot.


"Most" is debatable. I'm one of the "least," I guess; and have met and come to know many, many others. I don't care for the characterization that the "academically oriented" sought ATS and HB, and the insinuation that they left if they didn't get in. There are also a lot of parents who are "academically oriented" who didn't apply, or didn't get into, a choice program and stayed in south Arlington.
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Post 12/22/2022 21:02     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

I am the poster whose kids went to TJ. My point is APS did give my kids a solid MS experience, otherwise they wouldn’t have made the TJ cut -the elementary experience was not bad -but we did supplement because our kids were math oriented and we could afford to give them a little extra, not a lot, though, but enough they got into higher level classes in middle school. So, not a bad APS experience. Quite honestly, I felt that elementary was more about the social aspect of growing up than about a “rigorous academic” experience. I am glad we didn’t push them early in life, except support the areas they liked. Things seem more competitive now, though, good luck to all of you.
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Post 12/22/2022 16:45     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Why would this be the answer? It just makes the kids more bored.


Agree with first poster. As a parent, you just can't expect the sun, the moon and the stars from highly diverse public schools in every subject all the time. Our schools simply don't have the per capita budgets to compete with selective admissions privates charging a bomb, or Fairfax all-GT classrooms from 4th-8th grades (which APS policies have never supported).

If you want a fantastic education from APS, you need to add to what schools are doing with summer programs, tutoring etc The arrangement certainly isn't ideal, but really beats paying for a private on my government salary or moving further out to Fairfax.


APS spends more per student than FFX, full stop. Its about what they prioritize.


Yes. And how those priorities are implemented - ie, lowering academic expectations and standards for all in order for more students to appear to achieve at the same level v. raising raising the bar.


Equity drives the bus. If all students can’t do it, it doesn’t happen.
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Post 12/22/2022 16:44     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Why would this be the answer? It just makes the kids more bored.


Agree with first poster. As a parent, you just can't expect the sun, the moon and the stars from highly diverse public schools in every subject all the time. Our schools simply don't have the per capita budgets to compete with selective admissions privates charging a bomb, or Fairfax all-GT classrooms from 4th-8th grades (which APS policies have never supported).

If you want a fantastic education from APS, you need to add to what schools are doing with summer programs, tutoring etc The arrangement certainly isn't ideal, but really beats paying for a private on my government salary or moving further out to Fairfax.


This. We supplemented as much as we could in elementary then MS experience was solid. Sent both kids to TJ (APS paid tuition) and that was a great experience. If your kids love STEM I would recommend looking into the TJ application and make sure they get good rec letters from their teachers.


I love how PP days elementary was weak, MS okay, and then we had an excellent high school experience IN FAIRFAX (I know it’s a governors school). So bsckhanded praise for APS, it’s just weak all the way thru.
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Post 12/22/2022 16:43     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Why would this be the answer? It just makes the kids more bored.


Agree with first poster. As a parent, you just can't expect the sun, the moon and the stars from highly diverse public schools in every subject all the time. Our schools simply don't have the per capita budgets to compete with selective admissions privates charging a bomb, or Fairfax all-GT classrooms from 4th-8th grades (which APS policies have never supported).

If you want a fantastic education from APS, you need to add to what schools are doing with summer programs, tutoring etc The arrangement certainly isn't ideal, but really beats paying for a private on my government salary or moving further out to Fairfax.


This. We supplemented as much as we could in elementary then MS experience was solid. Sent both kids to TJ (APS paid tuition) and that was a great experience. If your kids love STEM I would recommend looking into the TJ application and make sure they get good rec letters from their teachers.


Oh your kids are graduated. It started watering down about 4 years ago.
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Post 12/22/2022 16:42     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Oh goody my DD can twiddle thumbs in class for 30 hrs a week but will make it up with 3 hours on the weekend or one week in the summer.

I just hate the waste of time that it is. Put her in a comfortable study hall with books and puzzles and legos, our outside playing, if your aren’t going to teach her. I would home school except we both work and it would be isolating.


If your kid is that bored, why not move to Fairfax? Our kids are in bilingual program in APS, I think that helped keep them from getting bored.


When we moved here they had a pull out gifted program. We bought a house older kids are in school — going to FCPS is much harder than it was 6 years ago (and housing is now more expensive in FFX while Arlington has dropped because who cares about commute)


Arlington housing prices have not dropped.


Compare to peak of pandemic, they certainly have, and compared to fairfax they have dropped further. Thus to make a lateral move it will cost more. Even exurbs have risen remarkably relative to arlington like Howard Co.


Well, not in my south Arlington neighborhood. Sales slowed a bit when interest rates rose; but prices haven't been significantly dropping.


That’s true. But most So Arlington parents who are academic oriented stayed for elementary or middle because they are in ATS or HB. Folks looking for IB we’re looking at WL zoning and those prices have dropped a lot.
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Post 12/22/2022 11:31     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Why would this be the answer? It just makes the kids more bored.


Agree with first poster. As a parent, you just can't expect the sun, the moon and the stars from highly diverse public schools in every subject all the time. Our schools simply don't have the per capita budgets to compete with selective admissions privates charging a bomb, or Fairfax all-GT classrooms from 4th-8th grades (which APS policies have never supported).

If you want a fantastic education from APS, you need to add to what schools are doing with summer programs, tutoring etc The arrangement certainly isn't ideal, but really beats paying for a private on my government salary or moving further out to Fairfax.


This. We supplemented as much as we could in elementary then MS experience was solid. Sent both kids to TJ (APS paid tuition) and that was a great experience. If your kids love STEM I would recommend looking into the TJ application and make sure they get good rec letters from their teachers.
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Post 12/22/2022 10:59     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Why would this be the answer? It just makes the kids more bored.


Agree with first poster. As a parent, you just can't expect the sun, the moon and the stars from highly diverse public schools in every subject all the time. Our schools simply don't have the per capita budgets to compete with selective admissions privates charging a bomb, or Fairfax all-GT classrooms from 4th-8th grades (which APS policies have never supported).

If you want a fantastic education from APS, you need to add to what schools are doing with summer programs, tutoring etc The arrangement certainly isn't ideal, but really beats paying for a private on my government salary or moving further out to Fairfax.


APS spends more per student than FFX, full stop. Its about what they prioritize.


Yes. And how those priorities are implemented - ie, lowering academic expectations and standards for all in order for more students to appear to achieve at the same level v. raising raising the bar.
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Post 12/22/2022 10:57     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Oh goody my DD can twiddle thumbs in class for 30 hrs a week but will make it up with 3 hours on the weekend or one week in the summer.

I just hate the waste of time that it is. Put her in a comfortable study hall with books and puzzles and legos, our outside playing, if your aren’t going to teach her. I would home school except we both work and it would be isolating.


If your kid is that bored, why not move to Fairfax? Our kids are in bilingual program in APS, I think that helped keep them from getting bored.


When we moved here they had a pull out gifted program. We bought a house older kids are in school — going to FCPS is much harder than it was 6 years ago (and housing is now more expensive in FFX while Arlington has dropped because who cares about commute)


Arlington housing prices have not dropped.


Compare to peak of pandemic, they certainly have, and compared to fairfax they have dropped further. Thus to make a lateral move it will cost more. Even exurbs have risen remarkably relative to arlington like Howard Co.


Well, not in my south Arlington neighborhood. Sales slowed a bit when interest rates rose; but prices haven't been significantly dropping.
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Post 12/22/2022 10:56     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Why would this be the answer? It just makes the kids more bored.


Agree with first poster. As a parent, you just can't expect the sun, the moon and the stars from highly diverse public schools in every subject all the time. Our schools simply don't have the per capita budgets to compete with selective admissions privates charging a bomb, or Fairfax all-GT classrooms from 4th-8th grades (which APS policies have never supported).

If you want a fantastic education from APS, you need to add to what schools are doing with summer programs, tutoring etc The arrangement certainly isn't ideal, but really beats paying for a private on my government salary or moving further out to Fairfax.


Then you aren't really getting a fantastic education from APS, are you?
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Post 12/22/2022 10:31     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Why would this be the answer? It just makes the kids more bored.


Agree with first poster. As a parent, you just can't expect the sun, the moon and the stars from highly diverse public schools in every subject all the time. Our schools simply don't have the per capita budgets to compete with selective admissions privates charging a bomb, or Fairfax all-GT classrooms from 4th-8th grades (which APS policies have never supported).

If you want a fantastic education from APS, you need to add to what schools are doing with summer programs, tutoring etc The arrangement certainly isn't ideal, but really beats paying for a private on my government salary or moving further out to Fairfax.


APS spends more per student than FFX, full stop. Its about what they prioritize.
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Post 12/22/2022 10:31     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Oh goody my DD can twiddle thumbs in class for 30 hrs a week but will make it up with 3 hours on the weekend or one week in the summer.

I just hate the waste of time that it is. Put her in a comfortable study hall with books and puzzles and legos, our outside playing, if your aren’t going to teach her. I would home school except we both work and it would be isolating.


If your kid is that bored, why not move to Fairfax? Our kids are in bilingual program in APS, I think that helped keep them from getting bored.


When we moved here they had a pull out gifted program. We bought a house older kids are in school — going to FCPS is much harder than it was 6 years ago (and housing is now more expensive in FFX while Arlington has dropped because who cares about commute)


Arlington housing prices have not dropped.


Compare to peak of pandemic, they certainly have, and compared to fairfax they have dropped further. Thus to make a lateral move it will cost more. Even exurbs have risen remarkably relative to arlington like Howard Co.
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Post 12/22/2022 09:21     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Why would this be the answer? It just makes the kids more bored.


Agree with first poster. As a parent, you just can't expect the sun, the moon and the stars from highly diverse public schools in every subject all the time. Our schools simply don't have the per capita budgets to compete with selective admissions privates charging a bomb, or Fairfax all-GT classrooms from 4th-8th grades (which APS policies have never supported).

If you want a fantastic education from APS, you need to add to what schools are doing with summer programs, tutoring etc The arrangement certainly isn't ideal, but really beats paying for a private on my government salary or moving further out to Fairfax.
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Post 12/21/2022 23:07     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary school parenting is a blip on the radar of your life. You all will learn soon enough that what you are doing here is sweating the small stuff. None of it means anything.
High school parents here, I strongly disagree. These are fundamental skills, and you were building a love of learning or associating school with boredom.

Funny. Truly gifted kids will love learning what they’re passionate about. Most learn in spite of teachers. Parents just want to brag about their kids being gifted.

That's nonsense.


Gifted kids will read and learn vocabulary and facts but you need a teacher to, for example, teach you how to write different kinds of papers--how to identify a good research question, construct a thesis statement, evaluate evidence, etc. I got 1500 on the SATs but got to college without knowing how to write a paper because I had lousy teachers in high school and they didn't offer any AP classes except for calculus, bio, and chem. Or on the science side -- I killed it on exams throughout high school but had no idea how to design my own project because we always just followed the instructions we were given. There is so much wasted talent because schools are happy when there are kids that aren't much work for them, that just do well and don't need help and get good scores.


Sorry, I was agreeing with the person who said it's nonsense that gifted students will love learning what they're passionate about. Gifted kids need to be educated as well as other kids.


Completely agree. In elementary, teachers either professed to love my kid because “he’s just so easy” or were annoyed when he would ask too many follow up questions or try to expand on the subject. Elementary science was mostly non-existent, but what was taught drove my kid nuts because he couldn’t understand why teachers would insist that there are only 3 states of matter. It sounds ridiculous to adults, but trying to teach a little kid to smile and nod and give the teacher the answer they want to hear is soul crushing.



Ha, your example makes me laugh because my kid also complains about the school only teaching 3 states of matter. But I don't think any teacher has ever told my kid to stop asking questions. Mine is in APS and has started to get pulled out for additional science (5th grade) but he also creates his own projects in science ( does them at home and brings them in) but also counting down the days till high school science.


Is the Internet short on science learning? Are there no local STEM summer camps you can afford? My 4th grader did a Boolean Girl programming camps subsidized by Arlington last summer that was great. My eldest seems to be learning quite a bit in her life science class in 7th grade at an Arlington MS.

Sheesh, naysayers, our public schools can't be everything to all comers. Just supplement already. HS science comes up fast.


Oh goody my DD can twiddle thumbs in class for 30 hrs a week but will make it up with 3 hours on the weekend or one week in the summer.

I just hate the waste of time that it is. Put her in a comfortable study hall with books and puzzles and legos, our outside playing, if your aren’t going to teach her. I would home school except we both work and it would be isolating.


If your kid is that bored, why not move to Fairfax? Our kids are in bilingual program in APS, I think that helped keep them from getting bored.


When we moved here they had a pull out gifted program. We bought a house older kids are in school — going to FCPS is much harder than it was 6 years ago (and housing is now more expensive in FFX while Arlington has dropped because who cares about commute)


Arlington housing prices have not dropped.
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Post 12/21/2022 17:48     Subject: Why is the GT program in APS so anemic?

APS GT went from anemic to non existent when switched from pull out to push in.