Anonymous wrote:I can hardly wait until Republicans take power and institute a similar scorched earth policy against their political enemies. I am so happy that the "adults" took over in the 2020 elections.

MTG. Gym Jordan, Bobert are adults? A scorched earth policy under Kevin McCarthy's reign of Deplorables it will hasten the death of the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Garland appointing a special prosecutor now? Why not before?

Because now Republicans are taking over, and they need an excuse to not have things revealed to the public about January 6th.
So far they showed edited videos, and not the whole truth. They don't want people knowing about FBI agents among the Trump supporters, egging them on.

All of this can now be claimed as the property of the special prosecutor.

You're claiming entrapment now? For the insurrection?

Oh.

This has been claimed for some time. There was a certain person captured on video Jan 5th saying we're going to go into the Capitol tomorrow.
He picture was on the most wanted list for 1/6 then quietly removed later. FBI knows who he is, and he has not been arrested, despite being involved in removing the barricades on 1/6.
He spoke to the 1/6 committee but they haven't released it to the public, and instead you had Congressmen claiming he was not working for the FBI.

That's truly the most idiotic thing ever. We're supposed to believe that because some random geezer named Ray said "gO iNSiDe" the night before, suddenly hundreds of people said to themselves, "um, okay!" and ran out that same night, spent hundreds of dollars on tactical gear, plate carrier vests, encrypted radios, weapons (like where are you even going to find that kind of stuff in the DMV at 11pm at night) and then got plans and designated "breach teams" assembled that morning to attack the Capitol?

No.

That ain't what happened. AT ALL. There's already tons of evidence out there that J6 was planned for weeks in advance by Oathkeepers and Proud Boys. Those wheels were in motion long before Epps showed up on January 5th.

What else do we know about Epps?
That he's too old to be an FBI agent. That he was an Oathkeepers member even before Trump got elected. He was a construction worker and a rancher and for many years operated a side gig at his ranch renting his barn out for weddings and events. That he was questioned (NOT by the J6 commission as claimed, but by the FBI) and they released him because he never went inside and never actually did anything illegal. He apparently took someone who got injured in the fracas outside to get medical attention and didn't go back to the Capitol. No big mysteries at all.

Pro-Trump Oathkeepers and Proud Boys planned and organized the J6 attack for weeks in advance. And they may have also had conversations with Roger Stone and others in Trump's circle about the plan. That's the reality of it.

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the FBI announced to the public that the documents they seized from Pres. Trump at Mar-a-Lago were mementos of his time at the White House.

Link?

WaPo and other papers.

No formal public announcement. They leaked to the papers, the same way they leaked that they were looking for nuclear material at Mar A Lago.

You have no idea who leaked anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love if Trump were brought down by a guy who looks like a middle aged Jesus and is named Jack Smith.

Trump is never going to be "brought down." The MOST that will ever happen to Trump is a non-public plea and a fine. No jail time.

I'm just jaded and tired at this point. A Special Counsel doesn't matter. Who cares? They still report to the DOJ so what's the point?

I don't know why anyone on earth would take this job and then be subject to the rantings of Jim Jordan and Marjorie Taylor Green while you rack up enormous legal fees.

I want to see that man behind bars. He is responsible for so many deaths around the world, for imprisoning children, for causing endless stress and anxiety in the American public, not to mention the untold numbers of women who will die without access to abortion because of his SCOTUS picks. If he doesn't go to jail, our system is irretrievably broken. He was caught red-handed with top-secret documents he had no authority to possess. Any other American would be jailed for years for such a crime, yet he's running for POTUS!! Jail him.

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the FBI announced to the public that the documents they seized from Pres. Trump at Mar-a-Lago were mementos of his time at the White House.

Link?

WaPo and other papers.

No formal public announcement. They leaked to the papers, the same way they leaked that they were looking for nuclear material at Mar A Lago.

Anonymous wrote:So perhaps the attorneys on the forum can lend some context…

Several key January 6th-related requests for interviews have gone ignored, as have a number of subpoenas. Since Smith will have subpoena power AND the ability to enforce, would it be reasonable to expect that Pence, Meadows and the many others for whom requests (and perhaps subpoenas) have been issued can be compelled to testify, pronto?

1. The J6 Committee has subpoena power but no effective means of d forcing them. A witness has to be held in contempt and the matter referred to the US Attorney in DC for enforcement. These cases are few and far between because they can be strung out for years with appeals. There can be issues of executive privilege arising from separation of powers principles when the witness was an executive branch official. A cingressional committee typically will ask a witness to appear for an interview before issuing a subpoena but there is no sanction for declining an invitation or responding that the witness will not appear for interview for a variety of reasons, including the privilege against self-incrimination and executive privilege.

2. A federal grand jury subpoena for documents or testimony is not something to disregard. A witness can seek to affirmatively quash or limit the scope of the subpoena. If compelled to testify the witness risks being held in contempt by the chief judge and sent to detention until testimony is forthcoming. The court can limit the scope of testimony based on claims of executive privilege, speech-and-debate clause, attorney-client communication privilege, etc. A witness can assert the Fifth Amendment.

3. The Fulton County Special Purpose Grand Jury operates in most ways similar to a federal grand jury with one major exception: it’s duty is one of investigation snd presentment; that is, it does not have the power to issue a true bill of indictment. It generally only issues a report and findings/recommendations. It also has a statutorily limited period to operate, which witnesses like Meadows and Flynn seeking to run out the clock with appeals.

Anonymous wrote:Dirty hands from the Lois Lerner IRS scandal. Ties to Clinton operator Lanny Breuer.

Illegitimate

You would say this about anyone. You will do anything to legitimize Trump and support criminality. It’s shameful.

Dirty hands from the Lois Lerner IRS scandal. Ties to Clinton operator Lanny Breuer.

Illegitimate

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Anonymous wrote:I would love if Trump were brought down by a guy who looks like a middle aged Jesus and is named Jack Smith.

Trump is never going to be "brought down." The MOST that will ever happen to Trump is a non-public plea and a fine. No jail time.

I'm just jaded and tired at this point. A Special Counsel doesn't matter. Who cares? They still report to the DOJ so what's the point?

I don't know why anyone on earth would take this job and then be subject to the rantings of Jim Jordan and Marjorie Taylor Green while you rack up enormous legal fees.

Who is going to need enormous legal fees?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Garland appointing a special prosecutor now? Why not before?

Because now Republicans are taking over, and they need an excuse to not have things revealed to the public about January 6th.
So far they showed edited videos, and not the whole truth. They don't want people knowing about FBI agents among the Trump supporters, egging them on.

All of this can now be claimed as the property of the special prosecutor.

You're claiming entrapment now? For the insurrection?

Oh.

No, the NYT is: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/us/politics/oath-keepers-trial-january-6.html

You think that guy was…an FBI agent?

Why do you think that exactly?

I’m stating that the FBI set people up, like they did in Michigan. We were told they were not embedded on 1/6. Turns out they were

Oh that’s the issue… don’t know the difference between an informant and an undercover agent. Poor guy is so confused and frightened. Have mercy.

There are legalities involving embedding FBI agents. Entrapment becomes a real concern

They weren’t agents.

You are correct. They were informants paid by the FBI. Entrapment is a real concern.

Hadn’t read that they were paid anywhere but even if they were, the bar to establish entrapment is high. You’d have to show that these guys wouldn’t have stormed the Capitol on J6 on their own. Very unlikely a few informants were more motivating than the actually ringleaders of the plot, including Rhodes and DJT himself.

There were also FBI agents dressed as Trump supporters in the crowd. Ask Wray

If there weren’t plain clothes cops in the crowd I would have been shocked. It would have been negligent for their not to be. Dude, you can’t be this dumb.

MAGAs are breathtakingly dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Garland appointing a special prosecutor now? Why not before?

Because now Republicans are taking over, and they need an excuse to not have things revealed to the public about January 6th.
So far they showed edited videos, and not the whole truth. They don't want people knowing about FBI agents among the Trump supporters, egging them on.

All of this can now be claimed as the property of the special prosecutor.

You're claiming entrapment now? For the insurrection?

Oh.

No, the NYT is: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/us/politics/oath-keepers-trial-january-6.html

You think that guy was…an FBI agent?

Why do you think that exactly?

I’m stating that the FBI set people up, like they did in Michigan. We were told they were not embedded on 1/6. Turns out they were

Oh that’s the issue… don’t know the difference between an informant and an undercover agent. Poor guy is so confused and frightened. Have mercy.

There are legalities involving embedding FBI agents. Entrapment becomes a real concern

They weren’t agents.

You are correct. They were informants paid by the FBI. Entrapment is a real concern.

Hadn’t read that they were paid anywhere but even if they were, the bar to establish entrapment is high. You’d have to show that these guys wouldn’t have stormed the Capitol on J6 on their own. Very unlikely a few informants were more motivating than the actually ringleaders of the plot, including Rhodes and DJT himself.

There were also FBI agents dressed as Trump supporters in the crowd. Ask Wray

If there weren’t plain clothes cops in the crowd I would have been shocked. It would have been negligent for their not to be. Dude, you can’t be this dumb.

Meanwhile many on the Hill are saying it was a total intelligence failure by FBI and others and there are whistleblower emails from inside the FBI expressing concern about why credible warnings weeks in advance of J6 were ignored and not acted on. And the why? Most of the FBI is still "Trumpland"

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Garland appointing a special prosecutor now? Why not before?

Because now Republicans are taking over, and they need an excuse to not have things revealed to the public about January 6th.
So far they showed edited videos, and not the whole truth. They don't want people knowing about FBI agents among the Trump supporters, egging them on.

All of this can now be claimed as the property of the special prosecutor.

You're claiming entrapment now? For the insurrection?

Oh.

No, the NYT is: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/us/politics/oath-keepers-trial-january-6.html

You think that guy was…an FBI agent?

Why do you think that exactly?

I’m stating that the FBI set people up, like they did in Michigan. We were told they were not embedded on 1/6. Turns out they were

Oh that’s the issue… don’t know the difference between an informant and an undercover agent. Poor guy is so confused and frightened. Have mercy.

There are legalities involving embedding FBI agents. Entrapment becomes a real concern

They weren’t agents.

You are correct. They were informants paid by the FBI. Entrapment is a real concern.

Hadn’t read that they were paid anywhere but even if they were, the bar to establish entrapment is high. You’d have to show that these guys wouldn’t have stormed the Capitol on J6 on their own. Very unlikely a few informants were more motivating than the actually ringleaders of the plot, including Rhodes and DJT himself.

There were also FBI agents dressed as Trump supporters in the crowd. Ask Wray

If there weren’t plain clothes cops in the crowd I would have been shocked. It would have been negligent for their not to be. Dude, you can’t be this dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Garland appointing a special prosecutor now? Why not before?

Because now Republicans are taking over, and they need an excuse to not have things revealed to the public about January 6th.
So far they showed edited videos, and not the whole truth. They don't want people knowing about FBI agents among the Trump supporters, egging them on.

All of this can now be claimed as the property of the special prosecutor.

You're claiming entrapment now? For the insurrection?

Oh.

No, the NYT is: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/us/politics/oath-keepers-trial-january-6.html

You think that guy was…an FBI agent?

Why do you think that exactly?

I’m stating that the FBI set people up, like they did in Michigan. We were told they were not embedded on 1/6. Turns out they were

Oh that’s the issue… don’t know the difference between an informant and an undercover agent. Poor guy is so confused and frightened. Have mercy.

There are legalities involving embedding FBI agents. Entrapment becomes a real concern

They weren’t agents.

You are correct. They were informants paid by the FBI. Entrapment is a real concern.

Hadn’t read that they were paid anywhere but even if they were, the bar to establish entrapment is high. You’d have to show that these guys wouldn’t have stormed the Capitol on J6 on their own. Very unlikely a few informants were more motivating than the actually ringleaders of the plot, including Rhodes and DJT himself.

There were also FBI agents dressed as Trump supporters in the crowd. Ask Wray

Anonymous wrote:So perhaps the attorneys on the forum can lend some context…

Several key January 6th-related requests for interviews have gone ignored, as have a number of subpoenas. Since Smith will have subpoena power AND the ability to enforce, would it be reasonable to expect that Pence, Meadows and the many others for whom requests (and perhaps subpoenas) have been issued can be compelled to testify, pronto?

Where? In what forum?

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I will give him this - he looks like a judge from a bleak, post-apocalyptic future. Amazing.