Anonymous wrote:First, Sanibel is not an island full of rich people’s vacation homes. There is an entire community on that island. It’s been a long time since a storm has hit this part of Florida. When I lived in Mississippi, our house was damaged by a tornado. Twice. Does that mean no one should live in tornado prone states? We had snowmageden in NoVA. That was an expensive storm. Should the entire mid-Atlantic be desolate? I was in an earthquake in California. No one should live there? Hurricane Ewa hit while I was living in Hawaii. Most parts of the US are prone to some type of National disaster. We’ve owned our home in Florida for 30 years. We are coastal. We have never even lost a shingle.

Second, Florida has plenty of money. That’s why our kids don’t pay to go to college. That’s why we have no state income tax. Tourism is very lucrative. Rebuilding will be expensive. Tourist dollars will help.

Finally, if you’ve never lived in Florida, your opinions on evacuation, storm readiness, housing, etc are meaningless. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

I'd imagine it's up to insurance companies - if nobody will insure new builds there, it won't get rebuilt.

This is a huge problem in FL. They keep losing insurance companies who are willing to keep insuring homes in the state. My MIL had her insurer stop doing business in the state. She then had to scramble to find a new one and that company insisted that she replace her roof before they would insure her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/09/30/ian-florida-economy-insurance/

So are a lot of people just uninsured? It seems like that shouldn’t be allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

Buying property where? DMV area? There is going to be flooding in places, guess you will have to find another place.

The places where it's flooding repeatedly, like every ten years perhaps shouldn't be rebuilt.

Same for Sanibel Island and other places that just aren't sustainable. None of us are immune to the realities of a post-climate change world.

Some of my neighbors house has flooded multiple times the last few years right here in this area. Guess we all have to move out of DC area.

Nope. Just Old Town Alexandria. My neighborhood never floods. I'm fine. Gotta get very local for these decisions. Please don't pretend we can avoid this. We can't.

You are all over the place with your contradictions.

I'm curious how you would know one poster from another to know they were contradicting themself. Or do you think everyone who disagrees with you is the same person?

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

Buying property where? DMV area? There is going to be flooding in places, guess you will have to find another place.

The places where it's flooding repeatedly, like every ten years perhaps shouldn't be rebuilt.

Same for Sanibel Island and other places that just aren't sustainable. None of us are immune to the realities of a post-climate change world.

Some of my neighbors house has flooded multiple times the last few years right here in this area. Guess we all have to move out of DC area.

Nope. Just Old Town Alexandria. My neighborhood never floods. I'm fine. Gotta get very local for these decisions. Please don't pretend we can avoid this. We can't.

You are all over the place with your contradictions.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

Buying property where? DMV area? There is going to be flooding in places, guess you will have to find another place.

The places where it's flooding repeatedly, like every ten years perhaps shouldn't be rebuilt.

Same for Sanibel Island and other places that just aren't sustainable. None of us are immune to the realities of a post-climate change world.

Some of my neighbors house has flooded multiple times the last few years right here in this area. Guess we all have to move out of DC area.

Nope. Just Old Town Alexandria. My neighborhood never floods. I'm fine. Gotta get very local for these decisions. Please don't pretend we can avoid this. We can't.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

Buying property where? DMV area? There is going to be flooding in places, guess you will have to find another place.

The places where it's flooding repeatedly, like every ten years perhaps shouldn't be rebuilt.

Same for Sanibel Island and other places that just aren't sustainable. None of us are immune to the realities of a post-climate change world.

Some of my neighbors house has flooded multiple times the last few years right here in this area. Guess we all have to move out of DC area.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

Buying property where? DMV area? There is going to be flooding in places, guess you will have to find another place.

The places where it's flooding repeatedly, like every ten years perhaps shouldn't be rebuilt.

Same for Sanibel Island and other places that just aren't sustainable. None of us are immune to the realities of a post-climate change world.

That’s fewer times to flood than my house here in Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

Buying property where? DMV area? There is going to be flooding in places, guess you will have to find another place.

The places where it's flooding repeatedly, like every ten years perhaps shouldn't be rebuilt.

Same for Sanibel Island and other places that just aren't sustainable. None of us are immune to the realities of a post-climate change world.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

Buying property where? DMV area? There is going to be flooding in places, guess you will have to find another place.

The places where it's flooding repeatedly, like every ten years perhaps shouldn't be rebuilt.

Same for Sanibel Island and other places that just aren't sustainable. None of us are immune to the realities of a post-climate change world.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

How many millions in tax dollars are you willing to spend to rebuild it? In 2004 the new bridge was built for 137 million(lasted what 8 years?), beach replenishment 6-10 million, rebuilt the road 3-5 million so 6700 people can live in multiple million dollar homes on a sand bar? No they have to pay for that themselves.

Never having been to Florida or read that much about the state, I don’t actually know much about Sanibel Island; I had the vague idea it was for very wealthy people. Whether or not these are second (or third or fourth) homes, I don’t feel comfortable bailing out the kind people who can afford to buy a tiny little condo for 800K or a nice mansion for $4M, especially not when it’s not unlikely to need to be bailed out again what with the way global warming is super powering hurricanes. Let’s not pretend that Sanibel Island is some historic working class neighborhood that needs help. It isn’t. https://www.redfin.com/city/16325/FL/Sanibel/filter/viewport=26.45208:26.43071:-82.02361:-82.05524

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

Buying property where? DMV area? There is going to be flooding in places, guess you will have to find another place.

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.

What it means is that it does not make sense to rebuild island and sea level communities that are frequently hit by storms. I’d say the same about fire island, parts of LI. NYC May be uninhabitable at some point too which is why I’m not buying property here. I don’t want federal taxes to spend millions or billions rebuilding sanibel

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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.

Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.

More people live on my block in NYC than that. It does not make sense to rebuild an area so prone to flooding and disaster.

No shit Sherlock. Nyc is the most condensed area of people living in the US. That doesn’t mean no where else isn’t allowed to have that idiot.