Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I listened to a speech by Meloni. She sounds amazing. She wants people to be proud of themselves and their culture.

That isnt fascism. We have pride parades, pride month, a pride flag. If you can be proud of your sexuality, you can be proud of other parts of your identity. She is right, people want to make you erase your identity and be told who you are. Shes right to encourage people to fully embrace their identities.

She is an actual fascist.

Ive heard no cogent argument as to why she is a fascist.

I am not sure what more cogent argument you need, should she knock at your door and tell you in your face? Her party is the direct descendant of the post WWII Italian fascist party (FYI, in Italy recreating the fascist party and showing symbols of the fascist party is actually a crime. So after WWII many right wing people ended up in the Democrazia Cristiana party, the militant fascist fringe created a party called Movimento Sociale Fiamma Tricolore (last two words mean “tricolor flame” or the flame with the three colors green white and red of the Italian flag). In the 90s in Italy many changes happens for all parties (including the communist party). melonis party is the direct descendant of the Movimento Sociale party and it has the symbol of the flame with the color of the Italian flag that she refused to remove.

Maybe this is still not enough for you but the members of the party know very well who they are. Link below is from something that happened last week, not fifty years ago, in Milan at the funeral of a guy where participants, including Romano La Russa, who is from Meloni’s party and is member of the government of the Lombardia region snd brother or Ignazio La Russa, one of the most important members of the party, marched behind the casket repeatedly doing the fascist Roman salute .

I can add tons of similar examples of member of the party expressly honoring Mussolini, doing fascist salute, wearing black shirt (that was the fascist uniform) and so on.



https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2022/09/21/il-saluto-fascista-dellassessore-romano-la-russa-fdi-lo-spiega-cosi-invitava-i-presenti-ad-astenersi-dal-farlo/6811764/amp/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I listened to a speech by Meloni. She sounds amazing. She wants people to be proud of themselves and their culture.

That isnt fascism. We have pride parades, pride month, a pride flag. If you can be proud of your sexuality, you can be proud of other parts of your identity. She is right, people want to make you erase your identity and be told who you are. Shes right to encourage people to fully embrace their identities.

Except the entire argument is based on a strawman. No one wants to take away her Christianity, motherhood, or feminine identity. She is saying “be proud” of these things because things she doesn’t agree with - secularism, child-free lifestyle, shifting gender and sexual identities - are “wicked” and need to be destroyed. She’s adopted a First Strike doctrine to restrict personal choice and liberties that, at its heart, is based on a series of lies.

What she said resonated with people quite strongly. Obviously, western culture is changing and many people believe the changes will weaken and harm us. You disagree, and that's okay. It should be okay for both perspectives to have space to exist.

Wow. What was your opposition to gay marriage if you just want people to have “space to exist”? How about locking up people in prison for using drugs? Do they not get afforded any “space to exist”?

No, you Christian fundamentalists are the ones who want to force society to live a certain way. Progressives want freedom from religion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I listened to a speech by Meloni. She sounds amazing. She wants people to be proud of themselves and their culture.

That isnt fascism. We have pride parades, pride month, a pride flag. If you can be proud of your sexuality, you can be proud of other parts of your identity. She is right, people want to make you erase your identity and be told who you are. Shes right to encourage people to fully embrace their identities.

Except the entire argument is based on a strawman. No one wants to take away her Christianity, motherhood, or feminine identity. She is saying “be proud” of these things because things she doesn’t agree with - secularism, child-free lifestyle, shifting gender and sexual identities - are “wicked” and need to be destroyed. She’s adopted a First Strike doctrine to restrict personal choice and liberties that, at its heart, is based on a series of lies.

What she said resonated with people quite strongly. Obviously, western culture is changing and many people believe the changes will weaken and harm us. You disagree, and that's okay. It should be okay for both perspectives to have space to exist.

Trump “resonated with people quite strongly” and he’s a serial criminal. “People” are emotional animals with smooth brains, especially when aspiring authoritarians, like Meloni, tickle their primordial amygdalae.

How is Meloni going to stop “these changes”? That’s the crux of the issue; her only option to use the power of the state to restrict others’ liberties. Essentially, her views are anti-liberty.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I listened to a speech by Meloni. She sounds amazing. She wants people to be proud of themselves and their culture.

That isnt fascism. We have pride parades, pride month, a pride flag. If you can be proud of your sexuality, you can be proud of other parts of your identity. She is right, people want to make you erase your identity and be told who you are. Shes right to encourage people to fully embrace their identities.

Except the entire argument is based on a strawman. No one wants to take away her Christianity, motherhood, or feminine identity. She is saying “be proud” of these things because things she doesn’t agree with - secularism, child-free lifestyle, shifting gender and sexual identities - are “wicked” and need to be destroyed. She’s adopted a First Strike doctrine to restrict personal choice and liberties that, at its heart, is based on a series of lies.

What she said resonated with people quite strongly. Obviously, western culture is changing and many people believe the changes will weaken and harm us. You disagree, and that's okay. It should be okay for both perspectives to have space to exist.

Anonymous wrote:I listened to a speech by Meloni. She sounds amazing. She wants people to be proud of themselves and their culture.

That isnt fascism. We have pride parades, pride month, a pride flag. If you can be proud of your sexuality, you can be proud of other parts of your identity. She is right, people want to make you erase your identity and be told who you are. Shes right to encourage people to fully embrace their identities.

Except the entire argument is based on a strawman. No one wants to take away her Christianity, motherhood, or feminine identity. She is saying “be proud” of these things because things she doesn’t agree with - secularism, child-free lifestyle, shifting gender and sexual identities - are “wicked” and need to be destroyed. She’s adopted a First Strike doctrine to restrict personal choice and liberties that, at its heart, is based on a series of lies.

Regardless of what she is or what she isn't, Meloni has to build a broad coalition in order to govern. That reality coupled with the fact that Italy is heavily dependent upon EU support will dampen extremist policies.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Criticizing “liberalism” for its lack of “nuance” while trying to eradicate — in the name of “Christianity” — progressive human rights policies such as defending the rights and dignity of LGBTQ+ communities and offering safe haven to refugees is quite the take. No wonder it garners the approval of Orban and others on the far right whose ideologies leverage marginalization and dehumanization.

GK Chesterton has people like you pegged a hundred years ago.

Chesterson was a Catholic church apologist. Who cares about some lunatic writing religious propaganda over 100 years ago?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I listened to a speech by Meloni. She sounds amazing. She wants people to be proud of themselves and their culture.

That isnt fascism. We have pride parades, pride month, a pride flag. If you can be proud of your sexuality, you can be proud of other parts of your identity. She is right, people want to make you erase your identity and be told who you are. Shes right to encourage people to fully embrace their identities.

She is an actual fascist.

Ive heard no cogent argument as to why she is a fascist.

Anonymous wrote:Because she is a #fascist.

+1 Women don’t get excited about women leaders who are excited about taking away women’s rights.

Anonymous wrote:I listened to a speech by Meloni. She sounds amazing. She wants people to be proud of themselves and their culture.

That isnt fascism. We have pride parades, pride month, a pride flag. If you can be proud of your sexuality, you can be proud of other parts of your identity. She is right, people want to make you erase your identity and be told who you are. Shes right to encourage people to fully embrace their identities.

She is an actual fascist.

I listened to a speech by Meloni. She sounds amazing. She wants people to be proud of themselves and their culture.

That isnt fascism. We have pride parades, pride month, a pride flag. If you can be proud of your sexuality, you can be proud of other parts of your identity. She is right, people want to make you erase your identity and be told who you are. Shes right to encourage people to fully embrace their identities.

Anonymous wrote:Criticizing “liberalism” for its lack of “nuance” while trying to eradicate — in the name of “Christianity” — progressive human rights policies such as defending the rights and dignity of LGBTQ+ communities and offering safe haven to refugees is quite the take. No wonder it garners the approval of Orban and others on the far right whose ideologies leverage marginalization and dehumanization.

GK Chesterton has people like you pegged a hundred years ago.

She is a disciples of Mussolini. Seriously she takes old speeches of Mussolini and changes a few words.

Criticizing “liberalism” for its lack of “nuance” while trying to eradicate — in the name of “Christianity” — progressive human rights policies such as defending the rights and dignity of LGBTQ+ communities and offering safe haven to refugees is quite the take. No wonder it garners the approval of Orban and others on the far right whose ideologies leverage marginalization and dehumanization.

Anonymous wrote:She came from really humble roots. She speaks in an uncultured accent.

She about to become pm of a g7 country.

Nothing was ever really handed to her. She “leans in”

Interesting that she isn’t being championed as a “girl boss” just because she has different political views

She's a fascist. That isn't laudable, no matter what her personal attributes.