Anonymous
09/26/2022 11:25
Subject: Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This article isn’t troubling. 61% of Republicans said they favored the government declaring the US a Christian nation, and most of those were older Americans. Most under 40 disagreed. So, you can relax.
Because the old folks will die soon, right? Still, it's scary, because these are the people who studied Civics in public school where they learned that the US is not a Christian nation.
Well, they learned that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; but they also learned that the US was founded on Judeo Christian values, and most of the people who settled the US were Christian.
Nope.
https://www.salon.com/2021/05/03/america-was-not-founded-as-a-christian-country-based-on-judeo-christian-values_partner/
https://bigthink.com/the-present/why-americas-christian-foundation-is-a-myth/
https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/american-history/
the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
The biggest clue it is not founded on Judeo-Christian values? The Bible is not mentioned once in the constitution. I wonder why that is...
OP said "Judeo-Christian values" not the religions themselves. If you don't know that there is a difference this conversation might be over your head.
Lol. How ironic that the guy who ad hominems that something is "over your head" doesn't understand what "United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" means.
Also noticed no one answered when I asked what specific founding values didn't exist before Judaism or Christianity.
DP. That one’s easy, you must have little self-awareness to think anybody would want to engage with a troll in an OT gotcha game. You’re quite the little bean counter, aren’t you, taking threads like this as scripture and analyzing them for everything that’s said or, wow, not said. As if anybody cares about this thread as much as you do.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 10:30
Subject: Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This article isn’t troubling. 61% of Republicans said they favored the government declaring the US a Christian nation, and most of those were older Americans. Most under 40 disagreed. So, you can relax.
Because the old folks will die soon, right? Still, it's scary, because these are the people who studied Civics in public school where they learned that the US is not a Christian nation.
Well, they learned that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; but they also learned that the US was founded on Judeo Christian values, and most of the people who settled the US were Christian.
Nope.
https://www.salon.com/2021/05/03/america-was-not-founded-as-a-christian-country-based-on-judeo-christian-values_partner/
https://bigthink.com/the-present/why-americas-christian-foundation-is-a-myth/
https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/american-history/
the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
The biggest clue it is not founded on Judeo-Christian values? The Bible is not mentioned once in the constitution. I wonder why that is...
OP said "Judeo-Christian values" not the religions themselves. If you don't know that there is a difference this conversation might be over your head.
Lol. How ironic that the guy who ad hominems that something is "over your head" doesn't understand what "United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" means.
Also noticed no one answered when I asked what specific founding values didn't exist before Judaism or Christianity.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 10:01
Subject: Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
But, yeah, seems like Falwell is lying.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 09:51
Subject: Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That will never happen.
Yeahhhh, sorry. The intelligent among us aren’t buying the “that will never happen” line anymore.
Yeah, I am actually pretty sure that there were presentations being made to church folk in the 1970s about this. My mother occasionally admits that this was the case, and that she is totally in favor of a church-led government. Other times, she pretends she is just a fox-news'watching "regular" conservative. So she is insane, and possibly not the best source, but I do believe there was some organizing around this idea in the 70s/80s that led to insane voting populations that include my mother.
Really? You are “pretty sure” “presentations” were made to “church folk” in the 1970s? Please, link some credible sources. Who gave these presentations? What church populations did they speak to? What did their material instruct them to say?
Haha, as I said, I am a secondhand, noncredible source. The reason I believe it is because my mother doesn't have strong opinions unless they were presented to her in a big-setting, emotionally manipulative way, and (less credibly) occasionally she says it happened (and other times, denies same), in an independent, fundamentalist, evangelical church in Virginia. I am just passing on some anecdotal crap, as one does on an internet forum . I am not reporting to the nytimes.
In my imagination, the presentation has 2 parts:
Part 1: The Founding Fathers of our country intended USA to be Christian nation (despite all that moving to America for religious freedom). The country should be Christ-led. We will elect leaders who are Christian OR chosen by our Lord (supposedly Trump was chosen by the evangelicals' lord)
Part 2: Abortion, even though you had no problems with it before, is actually baby-murder. Women, be subservient. Think of the baby Jesus! Also: do not be sluts. Etc.
That sounds just like Jerry Falwell.
https://liberty.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/api/collection/p17184coll9/id/7389/download
“BRINGING THIS NATION BACK TO GOD AND I ' LL BE TAL KING ABOUT THE OLD TIME GOSPEL HOUR SURVIVAL FUND. AND HOW THAT YOU CAN HELP US BE A PART OF SAVING AMERICA. ”
“AND YET THE FOUNDING FATHERS, I F THEY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN OUR LAND TODAY, THROWING GOD OUT OF PUBLIC L I F E , AND REMOVING MANGER SCENES FROM CITY HALLS. OUR CHILDREN NO LONGER ABLE TO PRAY IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY AND ALL ACROSS AMERICA ANTI-CHRISTIAN INFLUENCE ALMOST SECULARIZING T H I S N A T I O N , THEY WOULD TURN OVER I N T H E I R G R A V E S .”
“IN THE ROTUNDA, IS THE FIGURE OF A CRUCIFIED CHRIST. ON THE WALLS OF THE CAPITAL DOME THESE WORDS APPEAR "THE NEW TESTAMENT ACCORDING TO THE LORD AND SAVIOUR J E S U S C H R I S T " . ON THE GREAT SEAL OF THE UNITED STATES I S INSCRIBED THE PHRASE, " I N U I T COLLECTOUS" WHICH MEANS GOD HAS SMILED ON OUR UNDERTAKING. THESE A R E N ' T J U S T S I G N S HUNG UPON THE WALLS. THESE CONVICTIONS ARE A PART OF THE WALLS THEMSELVES.”
“I WANT YOU TO GET MAD TODAY. NOT AT PERSONS BUT OUTRAGED BY THE EFF ORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE TO MAKE T H I S A
SECULAR NATION LIKE THE SOVIET UNION, LI KE RED CHINA”. (Sounds like a certain DCUM poster)
“IF YOU CAN MAKE IT A $1,000 GIFT, DO SO, OR $5,000 OR $10,000 OR $100 OR $50. I DON'T
KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO BUT MAI E IT THE MOST GENEROUS GIFT POSSIBLE. WE'VE GOT TWO WEEKS IN WHICH WE MUST PAY OFF A $3 MILLION NOTE ”
Can’t believe that people fell for this con artist.
Never heard of "Inuit collectous" so looked it up and found this:
Your search - "INUIT COLLECTOUS" - did not match any documents.
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Also, found nothing for INTUIT COLLECTOUS. Clearly the whole thing is made up.
Click on the link. The text didn’t copy/paste very well.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 09:50
Subject: Re:Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL !I read the thread title too quickly; I thought it was "Why do Athletes care ? Here is one scary reason." I was ready to read about a tragic football injury.
FWIW Many athletes pray before, during, and after athletic contests--especially football players.
How about scientists? Do they pray before, during, and after their time in the lab?
What is IQ of average football player vs average scientist?
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural being. However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research. But, on the other hand, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive. --Albert Einstein
Right. So scientists are not praying. Certainly not to supernatural forces.
But they do believe in the “laws of the universe” - natural forces that can be observed and researched to gain better understanding.
“ If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it”
“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. .... For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."”
- Einstein
Anonymous
09/26/2022 09:40
Subject: Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That will never happen.
Yeahhhh, sorry. The intelligent among us aren’t buying the “that will never happen” line anymore.
Yeah, I am actually pretty sure that there were presentations being made to church folk in the 1970s about this. My mother occasionally admits that this was the case, and that she is totally in favor of a church-led government. Other times, she pretends she is just a fox-news'watching "regular" conservative. So she is insane, and possibly not the best source, but I do believe there was some organizing around this idea in the 70s/80s that led to insane voting populations that include my mother.
Really? You are “pretty sure” “presentations” were made to “church folk” in the 1970s? Please, link some credible sources. Who gave these presentations? What church populations did they speak to? What did their material instruct them to say?
Haha, as I said, I am a secondhand, noncredible source. The reason I believe it is because my mother doesn't have strong opinions unless they were presented to her in a big-setting, emotionally manipulative way, and (less credibly) occasionally she says it happened (and other times, denies same), in an independent, fundamentalist, evangelical church in Virginia. I am just passing on some anecdotal crap, as one does on an internet forum . I am not reporting to the nytimes.
In my imagination, the presentation has 2 parts:
Part 1: The Founding Fathers of our country intended USA to be Christian nation (despite all that moving to America for religious freedom). The country should be Christ-led. We will elect leaders who are Christian OR chosen by our Lord (supposedly Trump was chosen by the evangelicals' lord)
Part 2: Abortion, even though you had no problems with it before, is actually baby-murder. Women, be subservient. Think of the baby Jesus! Also: do not be sluts. Etc.
That sounds just like Jerry Falwell.
https://liberty.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/api/collection/p17184coll9/id/7389/download
“BRINGING THIS NATION BACK TO GOD AND I ' LL BE TAL KING ABOUT THE OLD TIME GOSPEL HOUR SURVIVAL FUND. AND HOW THAT YOU CAN HELP US BE A PART OF SAVING AMERICA. ”
“AND YET THE FOUNDING FATHERS, I F THEY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN OUR LAND TODAY, THROWING GOD OUT OF PUBLIC L I F E , AND REMOVING MANGER SCENES FROM CITY HALLS. OUR CHILDREN NO LONGER ABLE TO PRAY IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY AND ALL ACROSS AMERICA ANTI-CHRISTIAN INFLUENCE ALMOST SECULARIZING T H I S N A T I O N , THEY WOULD TURN OVER I N T H E I R G R A V E S .”
“IN THE ROTUNDA, IS THE FIGURE OF A CRUCIFIED CHRIST. ON THE WALLS OF THE CAPITAL DOME THESE WORDS APPEAR "THE NEW TESTAMENT ACCORDING TO THE LORD AND SAVIOUR J E S U S C H R I S T " . ON THE GREAT SEAL OF THE UNITED STATES I S INSCRIBED THE PHRASE, " I N U I T COLLECTOUS" WHICH MEANS GOD HAS SMILED ON OUR UNDERTAKING. THESE A R E N ' T J U S T S I G N S HUNG UPON THE WALLS. THESE CONVICTIONS ARE A PART OF THE WALLS THEMSELVES.”
“I WANT YOU TO GET MAD TODAY. NOT AT PERSONS BUT OUTRAGED BY THE EFF ORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE TO MAKE T H I S A
SECULAR NATION LIKE THE SOVIET UNION, LI KE RED CHINA”. (Sounds like a certain DCUM poster)
“IF YOU CAN MAKE IT A $1,000 GIFT, DO SO, OR $5,000 OR $10,000 OR $100 OR $50. I DON'T
KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO BUT MAI E IT THE MOST GENEROUS GIFT POSSIBLE. WE'VE GOT TWO WEEKS IN WHICH WE MUST PAY OFF A $3 MILLION NOTE ”
Can’t believe that people fell for this con artist.
Never heard of "Inuit collectous" so looked it up and found this:
Your search - "INUIT COLLECTOUS" - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
Try different keywords.
Try more general keywords.
----
Also, found nothing for INTUIT COLLECTOUS. Clearly the whole thing is made up.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 09:36
Subject: Re:Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/19/september11.usa9
Falwell - on 9/13/01 - speaking about terrorist attacks:
What Mr Falwell said on Thursday on The 700 Club, while chatting with the programme's host, Mr Robertson, was this: "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be minuscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Mr Robertson responded: "Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."
A few moments later Mr Falwell said: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularise America, I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "
To which Mr Robertson said: "I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government."
Falwell - on 9/13/01 - speaking about terrorist attacks:
What Mr Falwell said on Thursday on The 700 Club, while chatting with the programme's host, Mr Robertson, was this: "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be minuscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Mr Robertson responded: "Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."
A few moments later Mr Falwell said: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularise America, I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "
To which Mr Robertson said: "I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government."
Anonymous
09/26/2022 09:33
Subject: Re:Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL !I read the thread title too quickly; I thought it was "Why do Athletes care ? Here is one scary reason." I was ready to read about a tragic football injury.
FWIW Many athletes pray before, during, and after athletic contests--especially football players.
How about scientists? Do they pray before, during, and after their time in the lab?
What is IQ of average football player vs average scientist?
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural being. However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research. But, on the other hand, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive. --Albert Einstein
[quote/]
Not sure what point you're trying to make. That quote reflects the God of Einstein, oft equated with the God of Spinoza. A very far cry from the fundamentalists mentioned by the OP and in the rest of these comments. No equivalency whatsoever.
+1 . and even use of the phrase "God of Einstein" is a relic from a past in which people were desperately trying to fit a celebrity scientist like Einstein in to a religious mold
Anonymous
09/26/2022 09:32
Subject: Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That will never happen.
Yeahhhh, sorry. The intelligent among us aren’t buying the “that will never happen” line anymore.
Yeah, I am actually pretty sure that there were presentations being made to church folk in the 1970s about this. My mother occasionally admits that this was the case, and that she is totally in favor of a church-led government. Other times, she pretends she is just a fox-news'watching "regular" conservative. So she is insane, and possibly not the best source, but I do believe there was some organizing around this idea in the 70s/80s that led to insane voting populations that include my mother.
Really? You are “pretty sure” “presentations” were made to “church folk” in the 1970s? Please, link some credible sources. Who gave these presentations? What church populations did they speak to? What did their material instruct them to say?
Haha, as I said, I am a secondhand, noncredible source. The reason I believe it is because my mother doesn't have strong opinions unless they were presented to her in a big-setting, emotionally manipulative way, and (less credibly) occasionally she says it happened (and other times, denies same), in an independent, fundamentalist, evangelical church in Virginia. I am just passing on some anecdotal crap, as one does on an internet forum . I am not reporting to the nytimes.
In my imagination, the presentation has 2 parts:
Part 1: The Founding Fathers of our country intended USA to be Christian nation (despite all that moving to America for religious freedom). The country should be Christ-led. We will elect leaders who are Christian OR chosen by our Lord (supposedly Trump was chosen by the evangelicals' lord)
Part 2: Abortion, even though you had no problems with it before, is actually baby-murder. Women, be subservient. Think of the baby Jesus! Also: do not be sluts. Etc.
That sounds just like Jerry Falwell.
https://liberty.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/api/collection/p17184coll9/id/7389/download
“BRINGING THIS NATION BACK TO GOD AND I ' LL BE TAL KING ABOUT THE OLD TIME GOSPEL HOUR SURVIVAL FUND. AND HOW THAT YOU CAN HELP US BE A PART OF SAVING AMERICA. ”
“AND YET THE FOUNDING FATHERS, I F THEY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN OUR LAND TODAY, THROWING GOD OUT OF PUBLIC L I F E , AND REMOVING MANGER SCENES FROM CITY HALLS. OUR CHILDREN NO LONGER ABLE TO PRAY IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY AND ALL ACROSS AMERICA ANTI-CHRISTIAN INFLUENCE ALMOST SECULARIZING T H I S N A T I O N , THEY WOULD TURN OVER I N T H E I R G R A V E S .”
“IN THE ROTUNDA, IS THE FIGURE OF A CRUCIFIED CHRIST. ON THE WALLS OF THE CAPITAL DOME THESE WORDS APPEAR "THE NEW TESTAMENT ACCORDING TO THE LORD AND SAVIOUR J E S U S C H R I S T " . ON THE GREAT SEAL OF THE UNITED STATES I S INSCRIBED THE PHRASE, " I N U I T COLLECTOUS" WHICH MEANS GOD HAS SMILED ON OUR UNDERTAKING. THESE A R E N ' T J U S T S I G N S HUNG UPON THE WALLS. THESE CONVICTIONS ARE A PART OF THE WALLS THEMSELVES.”
“I WANT YOU TO GET MAD TODAY. NOT AT PERSONS BUT OUTRAGED BY THE EFF ORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE TO MAKE T H I S A
SECULAR NATION LIKE THE SOVIET UNION, LI KE RED CHINA”. (Sounds like a certain DCUM poster)
“IF YOU CAN MAKE IT A $1,000 GIFT, DO SO, OR $5,000 OR $10,000 OR $100 OR $50. I DON'T
KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO BUT MAI E IT THE MOST GENEROUS GIFT POSSIBLE. WE'VE GOT TWO WEEKS IN WHICH WE MUST PAY OFF A $3 MILLION NOTE ”
Can’t believe that people fell for this con artist.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 08:26
Subject: Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This article isn’t troubling. 61% of Republicans said they favored the government declaring the US a Christian nation, and most of those were older Americans. Most under 40 disagreed. So, you can relax.
Because the old folks will die soon, right? Still, it's scary, because these are the people who studied Civics in public school where they learned that the US is not a Christian nation.
Well, they learned that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; but they also learned that the US was founded on Judeo Christian values, and most of the people who settled the US were Christian.
Nope.
https://www.salon.com/2021/05/03/america-was-not-founded-as-a-christian-country-based-on-judeo-christian-values_partner/
https://bigthink.com/the-present/why-americas-christian-foundation-is-a-myth/
https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/american-history/
the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
The biggest clue it is not founded on Judeo-Christian values? The Bible is not mentioned once in the constitution. I wonder why that is...
OP said "Judeo-Christian values" not the religions themselves. If you don't know that there is a difference this conversation might be over your head.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 08:22
Subject: Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whether it actually happens or not is not the concern. The concern is that people are out there actively wanting it, and these people have influence in many many places, at the state, local and federal levels. From school boards to the supreme court. We’ve seen this at all those levels recently and it is terrifying and religion is the core part of the problem.
And before anybody explodes, I’m not saying all religious people are this way. But religion itself is a problem. It’s the 21st-century and we hang onto these beliefs at our own peril.
That kind of black-and-white thinking is equally part of the problem. […]
I consider myself religious, though I don’t attend church. I have never voted for a Republican in my life, I believe in evolution, I’m slowly converting my yard to native plants for carbon sequestration, believe in the separation of church and state, prize the rule of law and I am rabidly feminist and pro choice. Painting all religions as equally bad is weak brained and is unlikely to win you any points on the internet or where it matters.
Are you me? Down to the native plants and rabid feminism? I agree, painting all religions as equally horrible—or any single religion as horrible—just makes the person arguing this look ignorant and bigoted. That line of debate never wins arguments.
Same, here. I try to ignore posts like the OP because the person is clearly coming from a small minded place of ignorance.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 08:16
Subject: Re:Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL !I read the thread title too quickly; I thought it was "Why do Athletes care ? Here is one scary reason." I was ready to read about a tragic football injury.
FWIW Many athletes pray before, during, and after athletic contests--especially football players.
How about scientists? Do they pray before, during, and after their time in the lab?
What is IQ of average football player vs average scientist?
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural being. However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research. But, on the other hand, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive. --Albert Einstein
[quote/]
Not sure what point you're trying to make. That quote reflects the God of Einstein, oft equated with the God of Spinoza. A very far cry from the fundamentalists mentioned by the OP and in the rest of these comments. No equivalency whatsoever.
Anonymous
09/26/2022 06:16
Subject: Re:Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL !I read the thread title too quickly; I thought it was "Why do Athletes care ? Here is one scary reason." I was ready to read about a tragic football injury.
FWIW Many athletes pray before, during, and after athletic contests--especially football players.
How about scientists? Do they pray before, during, and after their time in the lab?
What is IQ of average football player vs average scientist?
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural being. However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually, the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in nature also rests on a sort of faith. All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research. But, on the other hand, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive. --Albert Einstein
[quote/]
Anonymous
09/26/2022 00:31
Subject: Re:Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:LOL !I read the thread title too quickly; I thought it was "Why do Athletes care ? Here is one scary reason." I was ready to read about a tragic football injury.
FWIW Many athletes pray before, during, and after athletic contests--especially football players.
How about scientists? Do they pray before, during, and after their time in the lab?
What is IQ of average football player vs average scientist?
Anonymous
09/25/2022 22:38
Subject: Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That will never happen.
Yeahhhh, sorry. The intelligent among us aren’t buying the “that will never happen” line anymore.
Yeah, I am actually pretty sure that there were presentations being made to church folk in the 1970s about this. My mother occasionally admits that this was the case, and that she is totally in favor of a church-led government. Other times, she pretends she is just a fox-news'watching "regular" conservative. So she is insane, and possibly not the best source, but I do believe there was some organizing around this idea in the 70s/80s that led to insane voting populations that include my mother.
Really? You are “pretty sure” “presentations” were made to “church folk” in the 1970s? Please, link some credible sources. Who gave these presentations? What church populations did they speak to? What did their material instruct them to say?
Haha, as I said, I am a secondhand, noncredible source. The reason I believe it is because my mother doesn't have strong opinions unless they were presented to her in a big-setting, emotionally manipulative way, and (less credibly) occasionally she says it happened (and other times, denies same), in an independent, fundamentalist, evangelical church in Virginia. I am just passing on some anecdotal crap, as one does on an internet forum . I am not reporting to the nytimes.
Oh, and btw, this being pre internet, I haven't found anything (yet), don't even have online confirmation of the names of pastors (which I do have print records for). Point is, lots of crap happened before the year 2000, and lots of it escaped any media attention and lots of it is lost for all time, except in the minds of 70- something Fox News watchers who vote against their own interests and do not live by the values they supposedly hold dear. I cannot explain it, I do believe they were subject to The Great Presentation in evangelical church in the 70s or early 80s!! This is as good of a theory as anything I have ever heard, and I stand by it.
