Anonymous wrote:How would you rank the Virginia schools for science, specifically? (Quality of instruction, research opportunities, etc.) How about for premed?

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Stats of VA schools:

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.ASP

Thanks. VMI’s median is better than those of GMU, JMu, VCU, UMW and CNU as expected. It might not be popular in (liberal) Northern Virginia but it’s still not a bad school.

It may be the best state public school in the country for students who believe they will benefit from a more disciplined, military education. Admittedly, this is a niche, but it is significant.

Yes, fewer and fewer young adults want a school that is notably racist and sexist with people yelling at them all the time. It is a "niche" demographic for sure and becoming more "niche" al the time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/09/21/vmi-enrollment-plunges-diversity-woke/

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Stats of VA schools:

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.ASP

Thanks. VMI’s median is better than those of GMU, JMu, VCU, UMW and CNU as expected. It might not be popular in (liberal) Northern Virginia but it’s still not a bad school.

It may be the best state public school in the country for students who believe they will benefit from a more disciplined, military education. Admittedly, this is a niche, but it is significant.

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Anonymous wrote:The top 3 are no brainers. After that there is lots to argue about.

Is W&L really viewed that favorably?

Anonymous wrote:If I wanted history and a cosy campus, I’d take W & M over VT.
If I wanted strong arts program, I’d take VCU.
If I wanted personalized freshman seminars in a liberal sets environment, I might take UMW.
If I wanted/didn't mind being close to home, value diversity and looking at computer science, I’d take GMU or the new VT innovation campus.
If I want an old boys network and traditional, strong liberal arts I’d look at W&L.
If I want amazing science and engineering research opportunities, natural resources field work opportunities, or hundreds of active outdoors and other clubs, I’d look at VT.

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Anonymous wrote:I would put W&M and UVA as tied for first place. They are really both top tier schools.

No way.

You are correct. W&M should be ahead.

NO. An applicant needs higher gpa and ACT for UVA

If higher stats make a better school, Northeastern has both UVA and W&M beat. I don't buy that, by the way.

Both UVA and W&M are majority SAT schools. Not ACT. W&M is 10 points higher at the 75th percentile and 40 points lower at the 25th percentile compared to UVA overall (and note that UVA Engineering has higher scores than UVA Arts & Sciences, which is W&M's equivalent from an academic standpoint). This isn't a big difference, and again, I don't think that is what determines the relative quality of the school.



false. My kid got into UVA on a high ACT. Here are the stats for last year's incoming (those are students that actually showed up, not admitted students, for which the stats are higher): 75th percentil 4.52 GPA; 1520 SAT and a 35 ACT. At the median it is still a 34; and even the bottom 25th percentil of students on campus have a 32. https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.ASP..

A fairer assessment might be that UVA is more GPA driven/top 6% of high school class.

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Anonymous wrote:I would put W&M and UVA as tied for first place. They are really both top tier schools.

No way.

You are correct. W&M should be ahead.

NO. An applicant needs higher gpa and ACT for UVA

If higher stats make a better school, Northeastern has both UVA and W&M beat. I don't buy that, by the way.

Both UVA and W&M are majority SAT schools. Not ACT. W&M is 10 points higher at the 75th percentile and 40 points lower at the 25th percentile compared to UVA overall (and note that UVA Engineering has higher scores than UVA Arts & Sciences, which is W&M's equivalent from an academic standpoint). This isn't a big difference, and again, I don't think that is what determines the relative quality of the school.



false. My kid got into UVA on a high ACT. Here are the stats for last year's incoming (those are students that actually showed up, not admitted students, for which the stats are higher): 75th percentil 4.52 GPA; 1520 SAT and a 35 ACT. At the median it is still a 34; and even the bottom 25th percentil of students on campus have a 32. https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.ASP..

A fairer assessment might be that UVA is more GPA driven/top 6% of high school class.

Anonymous wrote:If I wanted history and a cosy campus, I’d take W & M over VT.
If I wanted strong arts program, I’d take VCU.
If I wanted personalized freshman seminars in a liberal sets environment, I might take UMW.
If I wanted/didn't mind being close to home, value diversity and looking at computer science, I’d take GMU or the new VT innovation campus.
If I want an old boys network and traditional, strong liberal arts I’d look at W&L.
If I want amazing science and engineering research opportunities, natural resources field work opportunities, or hundreds of active outdoors and other clubs, I’d look at VT.

Anonymous wrote:"10 Best Schools" ... that just makes me laugh
Just apply to them all. It's not rocket science. Apply to them all and see where they get in.

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Anonymous wrote:There was an extensive study commissioned by the State Council for Higher Education that asked thousands of recent graduates of state institutions the following questions:

Satisfied with overall undergrad experience? Appreciation for general education now?
Satisfied with long-term career goals progress since undergrad?
Agreeing that undergrad education was worth the cost? Satisfied with how your undergrad prepared you for the workplace?
Agree: “I am satisfied with my life”?

If you average the responses to these questions, the highest favorable responses in order were:

W&M, UVA, VMI, UVA-W, VT, JMU, UMW, LU, RU, ODU, CNU, NSU, VSU, GMU, VCU, RBC

I think this is close to how I would have guessed, with the biggest surprises being UVA-Wise being 4th and GMU and VCU being so near the bottom.

This is only state schools, so schools like W&L and UR were not included.

Link to that study? Because I don't believe that "average" for a minute.

https://www.schev.edu/home/showpublisheddocument/838/637811238245600000