Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 09:17     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
I wouldn’t want my kid at a camp if they were having diarrhea. Don’t put that on the camp. Schedule a play date with his friends so they can say goodbye.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 08:38     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
I feel like this thread is a giant pile on and no one really read the OP. The camp knew about the condition ahead of time. Kicking him out on the last day just seems petty.

The rule for working moms is this: you are not allowed to actually need childcare. Childcare is a bonus, regardless of your employment situation. If you express frustration over lack of childcare, we’ll, you should have thought about that before you had kids. You are also an irresponsible parent who doesn’t want to care for their own kid.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 07:32     Subject: Re:Kicked out of summer camp-last day
Not a working mom issue! It’s just unsanitary.
Sorry OP you’re going through this. But agree with the camp. Regardless of the reason for the diarrhea, it’s still a sanitary concern. You should give the Miralax so it works during the evening hours or night when you guys can deal with it. More inconvenient for you guys and disrupts sleep but camp (or even daycare) should not have to deal with this. Either this or get a nanny/sitter but camp is better bc of socialization etc. School aged child will need to learn to handle on own.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 06:53     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread is Exhibit #87235 of why working moms can’t win and are always doing it wrong.

Sorry OP


I don’t care if you are a working mom or working dad, but don’t send your kid to camp with bad diarrhea! What is wrong with you people? It’s common sense. My god.


+1. More like Exhibit #87235 on DCUM of why people suck.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 06:33     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why this young child is in summer camp. Doesn't he go to daycare or preschool? I have never heard of a summer camp for young kids in still in diapers. Anyway, you said it has happened a few times over the summer and then again 3 times in 4 days. It seems like they were being very patient. Unfortunately there are some things that require a parent to pick up. I pick up my kids when they are allergic reactions or symptoms of illness. I work too. Everyone does. Plus this is was a totally predictable outcome for the treatment you are giving him. I would have saved my child the humiliation and organized this better. Where is he going next week when camp is over?


Not OP, but summer camp for 3s and 4s is relatively common in DC. The free public PK programs are tied to the school year, so if you take advantage of those, you have a whole summer you need to find care for. I have not seen a camp that doesn’t require kids to be potty trained though. Even the public pk programs do (though I’m sure there are exceptions).
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 05:19     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
I’m curious what your job is, OP, and whether you’d be willing to clean up colleagues’ or customers’ runny poop accidents. Assuming they had a medical condition of course. Would you be willing to deal with that? If not, why not? I’m sure you’re paid a lot more than these camp workers.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 04:18     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
My child is going through similar GI issues and sorry OP that you’re dealing with this. IMO it’s not reasonable for a camp to have to deal with the unpredictable nature of the treatment and not fair to the kid either. Better to hire an adult babysitter. I majorly empathize with OP but see where the camp is coming from. Good luck, OP.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 04:18     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
Anonymous wrote:This thread is Exhibit #87235 of why working moms can’t win and are always doing it wrong.

Sorry OP


I don’t care if you are a working mom or working dad, but don’t send your kid to camp with bad diarrhea! What is wrong with you people? It’s common sense. My god.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 04:08     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.


It is a standard policy that diarrhea gets a kid sent home. The end. No one is picking on you and your child. My youngest was in a cycle with some kind of chronic stomach issue where I was getting called to pick her up on and off for weeks and then she couldn't return for 24 hours. I feel your pain. It is what it is. You or your spouse need a more flexible job is what it sounds like.

Also, acting like your kid having diarrhea in a pull up is no big deal for the staff is not great. It is a big deal.


There are exceptions for chronic medical issues with a doctor‘s note. So not the end. Op make sure you provide enough medical documentation next time. And be sure to get an IEP for school that covers these issues.


This is camp and you are in the infant, toddlers, and preschoolers forum. IEPs are a legal obligation and process at public schools. As some other poster noted MAYBE ADA applies, but that is a whole process and not some blanket guarantee of anything at all.


Summer camps are required to comply with ADA.

https://www.justice.gov/file/campadaflyerpdf/download
Chronic bowel conditions are covered by the ADA.

Op says she discussed his medical condition with the camp and they initially were willing to accommodate.

I am curious though Why camp and not daycare for such a young child. My daycare operates all year round.


Yes, we all know that, Jan. Thank you, Captain Obvious. Once again, you are (willfully) missing the point.

OP, this "camp" will not take your son (and your expectations) next summer. Plan ahead, take some of the money from you and your spouse's Big Important Jobs and hire a summer sitter.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2022 02:38     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. The camp knew from the beginning that my child was dealing with this on-going problem and was therefore in pull-ups. He had very few accidents the entire summer until he began this miralax routine and has had 2 incidents that I'm aware of (there could be a 3rd but I'm not sure about it). Children do not need to be potty trained at this camp and these are not high school students caring for kids. It's actually a very expensive camp but was the ONLY summer camps for children his age that was full-time. He's been dealing with this medical condition for 6+ months but typically, it doesn't have significant impact on his ability to engage with his peers and participate in activities. He loves being with friends, is social, and I'm not going to deprive him of positive social experiences with peers in the summer because of this problem that's only been a "major" issue twice this summer....so what 20-25 minutes of time the entire summer??

He's on a regular dose of miralax now that he takes daily. The actual cleanse, he stayed home.

I don't know about you all but I only get 11 days of sick time a year. My husband gets much less. When school starts and sicknesses start circulating...kids are often required to be out for 2 full school days. This adds up real quick. We have to work, we cannot live on one income so to just think it's no big deal to just keep him home because of the possibility of having an episode of diarrhea....I cannot. I simply do not have that kind of time. I will lose my job. He needs to go to the childcare that I have prepared and I go to work. Before someone suggest, "just get a nanny"....I am not wealthy. I simply cannot afford a nanny.

I'm not entitled but I do want my child to have access to the same experiences as his peers and to be able to enjoy his summer with his little buddies.


It is a standard policy that diarrhea gets a kid sent home. The end. No one is picking on you and your child. My youngest was in a cycle with some kind of chronic stomach issue where I was getting called to pick her up on and off for weeks and then she couldn't return for 24 hours. I feel your pain. It is what it is. You or your spouse need a more flexible job is what it sounds like.

Also, acting like your kid having diarrhea in a pull up is no big deal for the staff is not great. It is a big deal.


There are exceptions for chronic medical issues with a doctor‘s note. So not the end. Op make sure you provide enough medical documentation next time. And be sure to get an IEP for school that covers these issues.


This is camp and you are in the infant, toddlers, and preschoolers forum. IEPs are a legal obligation and process at public schools. As some other poster noted MAYBE ADA applies, but that is a whole process and not some blanket guarantee of anything at all.


Summer camps are required to comply with ADA.

https://www.justice.gov/file/campadaflyerpdf/download
Chronic bowel conditions are covered by the ADA.

Op says she discussed his medical condition with the camp and they initially were willing to accommodate.

I am curious though Why camp and not daycare for such a young child. My daycare operates all year round.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2022 23:52     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
I don't understand why this young child is in summer camp. Doesn't he go to daycare or preschool? I have never heard of a summer camp for young kids in still in diapers. Anyway, you said it has happened a few times over the summer and then again 3 times in 4 days. It seems like they were being very patient. Unfortunately there are some things that require a parent to pick up. I pick up my kids when they are allergic reactions or symptoms of illness. I work too. Everyone does. Plus this is was a totally predictable outcome for the treatment you are giving him. I would have saved my child the humiliation and organized this better. Where is he going next week when camp is over?
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2022 23:31     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
A day camp that doesn't require kids to be potty-trained?
I am skeptical.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2022 23:30     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
If I needed reliable daycare to cover my workweek for a toddler or preschooler, I wouldn't rely on a summer daycamp.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2022 22:42     Subject: Re:Kicked out of summer camp-last day
It’s frustrating. I have a child who vomits super easily. It’s better now but there were multiple times when she was little she threw up from being nervous. This daycare was perplexed and stuck to their rule and I absolutely got it. Because yes most episodes were not because she was sick but they really could not tell which were the ones from a stomach bug ( which she also got at couple times) and which were just her gagging over nothing. I felt so bad for her every time. I can relate to the feeling of what the heck am I going to do (!!!) but you always get through it. Good luck!
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2022 22:04     Subject: Kicked out of summer camp-last day
You all realize that none of this ACTUALLY about OP's son being able to say bye to his camp friends, right? It's about OP needing childcare. I'm a working mom, I know the excuses we make up.