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Anonymous wrote:They sometimes drag the victim with the car, pin them do they die or kidnap kids left in the car. Do we have to spell it out? Omg the carjacking and ATV apologists will be the downfall of the Democrats. I used to consider myself proudly liberal no more. I’m more in the center.

Who? The only people I ever see defending or cheering on DC's carjackings and ATVs are anonymous trolls on message boards.

Why does DC tolerate ATVs parked next to the Cleveland Park branch library all the time? There’s a voucher-heavy building across the street. As voucher tenants moved it, so did the ATVs.

Starts with your ANC, folks. Vote them all out.

https://anc3c.org/documents/2021-012-in-support-of-proposals-by-dc-police-reform-commission-report/

Wow. I asked our ANC commissioner if they planned to call on the city to do more on crime and he said that’s out of their jurisdiction. Apparently not. I’m going to email him this resolution.

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Anonymous wrote:They sometimes drag the victim with the car, pin them do they die or kidnap kids left in the car. Do we have to spell it out? Omg the carjacking and ATV apologists will be the downfall of the Democrats. I used to consider myself proudly liberal no more. I’m more in the center.

Who? The only people I ever see defending or cheering on DC's carjackings and ATVs are anonymous trolls on message boards.

Why does DC tolerate ATVs parked next to the Cleveland Park branch library all the time? There’s a voucher-heavy building across the street. As voucher tenants moved it, so did the ATVs.

Starts with your ANC, folks. Vote them all out.

https://anc3c.org/documents/2021-012-in-support-of-proposals-by-dc-police-reform-commission-report/

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Anonymous wrote:Charles Allen is rewriting the criminal code including penalties for carjackings. They will now just be "armed robberies" which will be a lesser sentence.

Serious question: if you hold someone up at gunpoint, why does it matter whether you're stealing their car or their wallet?

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Anonymous wrote:10 years ago seemed much more safe.

Let me guess: you're in your 20's?

Or to put it in terms his generation understands: tell me you're in your 20's without telling me you're in your 20's.

I'm a different poster. I'm 45, and moved to DC in 2002. yes, it feels decidedly LESS safe today than it did in 2012 when my youngest was born. Why is it hard to comprehend that? Some of us live in areas that have always had a crime problem, but we've seen it get worse with our very eyes -- carjackings outside our front door, mom and child shot by ATV rider, the little girl who was killed outside Nats Park during a game, etc. nyc also feels less safe than when I graduated from college there in the late 90s.

DC wasn't "tough on crime" in 2012 or in 2002.

It was tougher. It was also tougher after the Clinton’s bill in the 90’s. I’m so tired of all the obstinate fks around here who seem to relish accommodating crime. It doesn’t make you virtuous or an ally.

The problem with "tough on crime" policies is that they don't really reduce crime. If they worked it would be hard to argue against them.

You mean like how crime rates declined consistently from the late-90’s until about 2018?

I’d argue that’s much more due to the decline of the crack epidemic, gentrifying neighborhoods, and the simple fact that a bunch of unwanted future criminals simply weren’t born. It wasn’t because we spent more money on police or venerated them more. I also question some of those numbers. When my family member was pickpocketed at Union Station in the mid-2010s, I couldn’t get any of the three police forces working there to take the report.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree OP. Sadly I don’t see the pendulum swinging back. We need a cultural reset. ATVs, dirt bikes and loud cars speeding through intersections at 100 mph with no regard for their fellow humans. 14 yr old car jackers. A mom and child shot by a madman who was going to run them over on a sidewalk. Open air drugging and gambling. It’s Gotham city. I’d like to move, if only I could afford to.

I've lived in the city over 30 years and it was worse 30 years ago. By all accounts the 80's were even worse, and the 70's worse than that. The 60's? Forget about it, they burned the city down. The 50's were pure chaos. During WWII it was anything goes. The Great Depression and the Bonus Army March? Nothing was safe.

It was not worse thirty years ago in the nice parts of the city. There were fewer nice parts, granted, but the crime was not as random as it is now. Same with the ‘80s - there was just a prescribed area where it was “safe.” Now it’s a free for all all over.

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Anonymous wrote:10 years ago seemed much more safe.

Let me guess: you're in your 20's?

Or to put it in terms his generation understands: tell me you're in your 20's without telling me you're in your 20's.

I'm a different poster. I'm 45, and moved to DC in 2002. yes, it feels decidedly LESS safe today than it did in 2012 when my youngest was born. Why is it hard to comprehend that? Some of us live in areas that have always had a crime problem, but we've seen it get worse with our very eyes -- carjackings outside our front door, mom and child shot by ATV rider, the little girl who was killed outside Nats Park during a game, etc. nyc also feels less safe than when I graduated from college there in the late 90s.

Anonymous wrote:When was this era that you would like to go "back" to?

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Anonymous wrote:They sometimes drag the victim with the car, pin them do they die or kidnap kids left in the car. Do we have to spell it out? Omg the carjacking and ATV apologists will be the downfall of the Democrats. I used to consider myself proudly liberal no more. I’m more in the center.

Who? The only people I ever see defending or cheering on DC's carjackings and ATVs are anonymous trolls on message boards.

Why does DC tolerate ATVs parked next to the Cleveland Park branch library all the time? There’s a voucher-heavy building across the street. As voucher tenants moved it, so did the ATVs.

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Anonymous wrote:They sometimes drag the victim with the car, pin them do they die or kidnap kids left in the car. Do we have to spell it out? Omg the carjacking and ATV apologists will be the downfall of the Democrats. I used to consider myself proudly liberal no more. I’m more in the center.

Who? The only people I ever see defending or cheering on DC's carjackings and ATVs are anonymous trolls on message boards.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree OP. Sadly I don’t see the pendulum swinging back. We need a cultural reset. ATVs, dirt bikes and loud cars speeding through intersections at 100 mph with no regard for their fellow humans. 14 yr old car jackers. A mom and child shot by a madman who was going to run them over on a sidewalk. Open air drugging and gambling. It’s Gotham city. I’d like to move, if only I could afford to.

I've lived in the city over 30 years and it was worse 30 years ago. By all accounts the 80's were even worse, and the 70's worse than that. The 60's? Forget about it, they burned the city down. The 50's were pure chaos. During WWII it was anything goes. The Great Depression and the Bonus Army March? Nothing was safe.

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You're not making the case for why carjacking needs to be an offense distinct from armed robbery. Kidnapping is already a crime, if it occurs in the course of a carjacking it can be charged separately. Sometimes armed robberies go horribly wrong and innocent people get killed. This is why offenses have sentencing ranges, so that a judge can look at the facts of the case and set the sentence appropriately.

The proposal isn't to say carjacking is no longer illegal, go crazy. It's to say it's no longer a criminal offense distinct from armed robbery. There's no reason to believe that sentences for carjackers would even go down, they'd just be charged under a different section of the criminal code.

You're right, but you're missing the forest from the trees, here. The point is that drivers are angry their privileged position in the DC transportation food chain is being taken down a peg. Having carjacking being classified as an armed robbery tells DC drivers that they aren't special and should be treated the same as everyone else, whether or not they own a car.

And they hate that, more than anything. Good job, DC, for once.

I'm sticking by my original position that middle class people can envision themselves being the victim of a carjacking, but feel that armed robbery only happens to the "wrong people."

that is an absolutely bizarre accusation.