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Post 06/17/2022 11:44     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Yes, this pretty much sums it up. Bowser did also promise Covid Coordinators who presumably could have supported in packet creation, but they also never arrived. Promises made, promsises not kept.


Oh come on. “packets” are idiotic. the problem here is the quarantine policy which is on Bowser but I’m sure WTU would have fought a better policy. again I ask - wtf happened to the “test to stay” idea? quarantine needs to end. it’s racist.


I'm still lost how following CDC guidance is some mistake Bowser made. You all damn well know that if she didn't then a select group of parents' heads would have exploded.

It's laughable that someone is trying to argue that the UNION would have supported doing something LESS covid-cautious than CDC policy.


To clarify, the reason we are talking about the issues with the CDC quarantines is that they led to a desperate need for a virtual option (not closing schools or forcing healthy people to only learn virtually). That was a non starter for Bowser and DCPS and here we are now with our students farthest from opportunity being quarantined the most.

I do agree with your sidenote how frustrating vax rates have been. It's hard to send home the same 5 - 10 kids every time there is a case and wonder why their parents don't just get them vaccinated.


why don’t you wonder about the clearly harmful and pointless quarantine policy instead of the parents? it’s the quarantine sending them home. not their parents.


I don’t know if you’re the same person as before, but I have no interest in continuing to talk in circles. This was discussed upthread
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Post 06/17/2022 11:36     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Yes, this pretty much sums it up. Bowser did also promise Covid Coordinators who presumably could have supported in packet creation, but they also never arrived. Promises made, promsises not kept.


Oh come on. “packets” are idiotic. the problem here is the quarantine policy which is on Bowser but I’m sure WTU would have fought a better policy. again I ask - wtf happened to the “test to stay” idea? quarantine needs to end. it’s racist.


I'm still lost how following CDC guidance is some mistake Bowser made. You all damn well know that if she didn't then a select group of parents' heads would have exploded.

It's laughable that someone is trying to argue that the UNION would have supported doing something LESS covid-cautious than CDC policy.


To clarify, the reason we are talking about the issues with the CDC quarantines is that they led to a desperate need for a virtual option (not closing schools or forcing healthy people to only learn virtually). That was a non starter for Bowser and DCPS and here we are now with our students farthest from opportunity being quarantined the most.

I do agree with your sidenote how frustrating vax rates have been. It's hard to send home the same 5 - 10 kids every time there is a case and wonder why their parents don't just get them vaccinated.


why don’t you wonder about the clearly harmful and pointless quarantine policy instead of the parents? it’s the quarantine sending them home. not their parents.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 11:34     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Yes, this pretty much sums it up. Bowser did also promise Covid Coordinators who presumably could have supported in packet creation, but they also never arrived. Promises made, promsises not kept.


Oh come on. “packets” are idiotic. the problem here is the quarantine policy which is on Bowser but I’m sure WTU would have fought a better policy. again I ask - wtf happened to the “test to stay” idea? quarantine needs to end. it’s racist.


I'm still lost how following CDC guidance is some mistake Bowser made. You all damn well know that if she didn't then a select group of parents' heads would have exploded.

It's laughable that someone is trying to argue that the UNION would have supported doing something LESS covid-cautious than CDC policy.


I think at this point Bowser needs to be accountable for the quarantine policy. But yeah I have no illusions that White would do better.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 10:51     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Yes, this pretty much sums it up. Bowser did also promise Covid Coordinators who presumably could have supported in packet creation, but they also never arrived. Promises made, promsises not kept.


Oh come on. “packets” are idiotic. the problem here is the quarantine policy which is on Bowser but I’m sure WTU would have fought a better policy. again I ask - wtf happened to the “test to stay” idea? quarantine needs to end. it’s racist.


I'm still lost how following CDC guidance is some mistake Bowser made. You all damn well know that if she didn't then a select group of parents' heads would have exploded.

It's laughable that someone is trying to argue that the UNION would have supported doing something LESS covid-cautious than CDC policy.


To clarify, the reason we are talking about the issues with the CDC quarantines is that they led to a desperate need for a virtual option (not closing schools or forcing healthy people to only learn virtually). That was a non starter for Bowser and DCPS and here we are now with our students farthest from opportunity being quarantined the most.

I do agree with your sidenote how frustrating vax rates have been. It's hard to send home the same 5 - 10 kids every time there is a case and wonder why their parents don't just get them vaccinated.
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Post 06/17/2022 10:33     Subject: Re:Public sector unions and their political influence

On a sidenote, yes, the quarantine policy should have been replaced by TTS. I know that it was in the younger classrooms, but I don't think it was implemented in the older classrooms for the unvaccinated kids.

But then again, it's also odd that people who wanted schools closed due to safety wouldn't vaccinate their kids.
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Post 06/17/2022 10:30     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Yes, this pretty much sums it up. Bowser did also promise Covid Coordinators who presumably could have supported in packet creation, but they also never arrived. Promises made, promsises not kept.


Oh come on. “packets” are idiotic. the problem here is the quarantine policy which is on Bowser but I’m sure WTU would have fought a better policy. again I ask - wtf happened to the “test to stay” idea? quarantine needs to end. it’s racist.


I'm still lost how following CDC guidance is some mistake Bowser made. You all damn well know that if she didn't then a select group of parents' heads would have exploded.

It's laughable that someone is trying to argue that the UNION would have supported doing something LESS covid-cautious than CDC policy.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 10:00     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Yes, this pretty much sums it up. Bowser did also promise Covid Coordinators who presumably could have supported in packet creation, but they also never arrived. Promises made, promsises not kept.


Oh come on. “packets” are idiotic. the problem here is the quarantine policy which is on Bowser but I’m sure WTU would have fought a better policy. again I ask - wtf happened to the “test to stay” idea? quarantine needs to end. it’s racist.


Goalposts have been moved.


How have goalposts been moved? Do you mean the quarantine policy is supposed to force vaccination?
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 09:55     Subject: Re:Public sector unions and their political influence

The WTU has all this influence, but we still haven't gotten a cost of living increase. LOL I can't even pay my rent with 1 paycheck from DCPS and my only luxuries in life is an apt with hardwood floors in unit dishwasher and in unit washer/dryer.
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Post 06/17/2022 09:51     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Yes, this pretty much sums it up. Bowser did also promise Covid Coordinators who presumably could have supported in packet creation, but they also never arrived. Promises made, promsises not kept.


Oh come on. “packets” are idiotic. the problem here is the quarantine policy which is on Bowser but I’m sure WTU would have fought a better policy. again I ask - wtf happened to the “test to stay” idea? quarantine needs to end. it’s racist.


Goalposts have been moved.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 09:37     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Yes, this pretty much sums it up. Bowser did also promise Covid Coordinators who presumably could have supported in packet creation, but they also never arrived. Promises made, promsises not kept.


Oh come on. “packets” are idiotic. the problem here is the quarantine policy which is on Bowser but I’m sure WTU would have fought a better policy. again I ask - wtf happened to the “test to stay” idea? quarantine needs to end. it’s racist.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 09:33     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Right, generally less than half of kids in a class are in quarantine. So one would think they could have packets, as the union opposed simulcasting. You're saying Bowser needed to put money toward generating packets, e.g., through TAs? I get that there are resource constraints (also in the form that there doesn't seem to be anyone to hire).

Also, did no one apply to the covid coordinator jobs? I do wonder what part of this is just not having the supply to hire (granting that DCPS seems very slow at hiring/clearing volunteers). What are the skill sets for "covid coordinators"?


I would expect something more by way of staffing to deal with a combination of in-person and distance learning. You don't get something for nothing, and that split is an added burden (at least if you want to try to do it well). So yeah, more staffing or paid overtime. I'd ask the principals and teachers what they need to be successful.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 09:32     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Right, generally less than half of kids in a class are in quarantine. So one would think they could have packets, as the union opposed simulcasting. You're saying Bowser needed to put money toward generating packets, e.g., through TAs? I get that there are resource constraints (also in the form that there doesn't seem to be anyone to hire).

Also, did no one apply to the covid coordinator jobs? I do wonder what part of this is just not having the supply to hire (granting that DCPS seems very slow at hiring/clearing volunteers). What are the skill sets for "covid coordinators"?


They were supposed to come from the bloated Central Office
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 09:31     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Right, generally less than half of kids in a class are in quarantine. So one would think they could have packets, as the union opposed simulcasting. You're saying Bowser needed to put money toward generating packets, e.g., through TAs? I get that there are resource constraints (also in the form that there doesn't seem to be anyone to hire).

Also, did no one apply to the covid coordinator jobs? I do wonder what part of this is just not having the supply to hire (granting that DCPS seems very slow at hiring/clearing volunteers). What are the skill sets for "covid coordinators"?


COVID coordinator sounds like an administrative assistant type of job. I have no idea how hard that is to fill, but it's not ok to expect more from teachers and principals and not fill these positions.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 09:18     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Right, generally less than half of kids in a class are in quarantine. So one would think they could have packets, as the union opposed simulcasting. You're saying Bowser needed to put money toward generating packets, e.g., through TAs? I get that there are resource constraints (also in the form that there doesn't seem to be anyone to hire).

Also, did no one apply to the covid coordinator jobs? I do wonder what part of this is just not having the supply to hire (granting that DCPS seems very slow at hiring/clearing volunteers). What are the skill sets for "covid coordinators"?
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 08:56     Subject: Public sector unions and their political influence

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one like simulcast. No one is/was advocating for it. Even Ted Cruz probably doesn't like it. Or AOC. Can we move on from that?


I mean, the union supporter speaking here brought up that they would have liked simulcast. S/he was doing that to trash Bowser, despite it being a thing that the WTU opposed. That's why we were talking about it.


Except, the WTU negotiated a stipend for us if we had to simulcast, so we didn’t totally oppose it. We don’t like it, but we would have preferred to teach our kids rather than have them sit home for days with no content


I'm sorry why couldn't you deliver content, to kids that were quarantined due to DC following CDC guidance? No packets, even?


DP/parent here. Creating packets for one or two kids is different than large scale teaching both in-person and remote at the same time. If Bowser had put money towards staffing up for the challenge then that might have worked well, but nope.
Even something creative, like assistant teachers to help the main teachers manage logistics. I don't even know what Bowser did with the extra COVID money? Glossy flyers tooting her own horn?


Yes, this pretty much sums it up. Bowser did also promise Covid Coordinators who presumably could have supported in packet creation, but they also never arrived. Promises made, promsises not kept.