Anonymous
Post 06/07/2022 00:02     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s actually interesting what happens over the next decade. Especially if we have a recession (per the Economist) and people in parallel become more aware of the link between the environment and health (chronic diseases, Alzheimer’s and other dementias, stress, cardiovascular, respiratory, diabetes, autoimmune). The toxic Spring Valley is a huge chunk of NW DC, Palisades, Kent, Foxall etc have unbearable and dangerous plane noise/pollution. If you care, and people increasingly do, it’s Cleveland/Woodley/Mass Ave Heights or EOTP?


Add Chevy Chase, AU Park and Wakefield to the “acceptable” neighborhoods.

And Crestwood.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 19:44     Subject: Plane noise
The plane noise is awful. Can't imagine why anyone would pay a premium price to never have any peace and quiet.
No thanks!
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 18:34     Subject: Plane noise
Someone just put a brand new construction they bought 2 yrs ago up for sale on Sherrier. Trying to make money or can’t take it any longer?
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 15:07     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is shocking that no health and environment studies have been done in the Palisades. I blame the residents for always trying to shut up anyone talking about this in realistic terms.

For most people valuing their health, this is not worth the risk. Even if it’s only about the real estate buy where it’s safe — Cleveland Park etc at someone said.


Will you also provide me with the 2mil I need to buy a shack in Cleveland Park?


Buy your own shack. Or, you know, live somewhere undesirable you can afford that isn't in a flight path. Done.


No, thanks. I will rather live in a desirable place close to everything. Flight path does not make it undesirable for me. I was not the one complaining about noise. I think OP is being ridiculous by suggesting that buyers can’t figure out that there is noise if in fact the noise issue is as bad as she is suggesting. Not everyone can afford CP and Palisades is a good compromise for people who are not fussed about a little bit of noise. Plenty of people still want to keep there and prices kept rising since 2015 when the noise issue became much more severe. I would understand people who bought before the change being upset, but those buying now can cry me a river.


That’s fine. But define “desirable”? How many years in life expectancy, morbidity of avoidable disease? What’s the math? At the very least, these should be known hazards!
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 15:00     Subject: Plane noise
To the PP who says that’s why houses in the Palisades-F-K are cheaper, they’re really not, look at all the monstrosities up and down Garfield, Eskridge, Hawthorne, W, P, King Pl all at $3m+. I am worried for those buyers, particularly as their massive houses are on smaller lots. Well, maybe they should not go outside anyway

But it’s true that in any rational market the real estate there should depress. Everywhere else these are blighted areas that are actually cheap
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 14:57     Subject: Plane noise
I disagree based on the objective measures: dB and frequency. It’s awful in the Palisades. Unbearable.

Even in Gtown a concert the other night kept getting interrupted. What a shame.


Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 12:16     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:So much worse now



Relative to in the middle of the pandemic? To before 2015? Then you are right. If you compare to 2016-19 it is the same.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 12:06     Subject: Plane noise
So much worse now
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 08:27     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:It is shocking that no health and environment studies have been done in the Palisades. I blame the residents for always trying to shut up anyone talking about this in realistic terms.

For most people valuing their health, this is not worth the risk. Even if it’s only about the real estate buy where it’s safe — Cleveland Park etc at someone said.


I don't understand this whole thread. DCA has been there since 1941, with jets since the early 60s. Is there a single person living in Palisades that was alive before it was there? If you buy in Palisades, it's on you.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 08:25     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is shocking that no health and environment studies have been done in the Palisades. I blame the residents for always trying to shut up anyone talking about this in realistic terms.

For most people valuing their health, this is not worth the risk. Even if it’s only about the real estate buy where it’s safe — Cleveland Park etc at someone said.


Will you also provide me with the 2mil I need to buy a shack in Cleveland Park?


Buy your own shack. Or, you know, live somewhere undesirable you can afford that isn't in a flight path. Done.


No, thanks. I will rather live in a desirable place close to everything. Flight path does not make it undesirable for me. I was not the one complaining about noise. I think OP is being ridiculous by suggesting that buyers can’t figure out that there is noise if in fact the noise issue is as bad as she is suggesting. Not everyone can afford CP and Palisades is a good compromise for people who are not fussed about a little bit of noise. Plenty of people still want to keep there and prices kept rising since 2015 when the noise issue became much more severe. I would understand people who bought before the change being upset, but those buying now can cry me a river.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 08:19     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:Unless DCA is totally shut down, which won't happen until Star Trek style beaming to another location is possible, there are simply going to be places that are in the flight path. For DC, that means Palisades.

People who bought there knew, or should have known this when they bought. Their houses were purchased at a discount to similar houses in other areas because of it.



Exactly. The flight paths are public knowledge. Nothing non-transparent about their existence. And if a buyer can’t hear the noise when viewing the house, then maybe the noise is not that bad in the end? In any case, house prices in Palisades definitely do not suggest that the flight path is a huge problem for many. Those who have a problem with it can live elsewhere.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 06:38     Subject: Plane noise
Unless DCA is totally shut down, which won't happen until Star Trek style beaming to another location is possible, there are simply going to be places that are in the flight path. For DC, that means Palisades.

People who bought there knew, or should have known this when they bought. Their houses were purchased at a discount to similar houses in other areas because of it.

Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 06:36     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s always someone trying to deflect from the real issue. That people should stop buying in these areas or if they do get it for cheap because you’ll pay in chronic disease, stress etc


Classic DCUM. There are no bad polices and there's never a reason to fight to improve the status quo. It's all about people who made poor choices and their problems aren't deserving of attention.


"improving the status quo" means sloughing off airplane noise to areas where people bought houses that were not in the flight path previously. Seems kinda selfish.


Not really. Dispersing the flights more would mean occasional noise for many instead of constant noise for some. Sounds more fair to me and not that disruptive toward those not affected by the noise now.


Except some people bought in areas that didn't have any airplane noise and now have it, where other people paid less and bought in flight paths, and now have less because they complained about an existing condition. It would be like buying a house on Reno Road and complaining about cars.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 04:42     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:In SeaTac airport has actually been relocating people. It’s fascinating and started with a noise study. People don’t get to choose and can get bought out close to the value of the homes. Very curious what’s happened since this article was written. Future here too?
https://www.aviationpros.com/home/news/10384052/port-to-buy-more-houses-coming-3rd-runway-requires-relocation-of-homeowners


You are comparing apples and oranges. These people are 1.5 miles from the runway. Palisades is 7 miles from DCA. Since it is on the river, there is essentially no equivalent neighborhoods affected here.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2022 04:37     Subject: Plane noise
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is shocking that no health and environment studies have been done in the Palisades. I blame the residents for always trying to shut up anyone talking about this in realistic terms.

For most people valuing their health, this is not worth the risk. Even if it’s only about the real estate buy where it’s safe — Cleveland Park etc at someone said.


Will you also provide me with the 2mil I need to buy a shack in Cleveland Park?


Buy your own shack. Or, you know, live somewhere undesirable you can afford that isn't in a flight path. Done.