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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be really upset if my college grad hadn't been applying to and interviewing for jobs all of senior year. They should have been hustling for a post-graduation job all year (and also as a junior for internships that could turn into a job). If nothing had worked out in their intended field by now, I'd expect them to have a new plan to explore other options with a broader search.

Many students were busy senior year trying to get into grad school: tons of essays, testing, and interviews. All while taking calculus, writing her senior thesis, working as a TA, etc. Mine found out 4 days before graduation that she did not get in.

Many of those appalled posters sound like they have kids seeking jobs in business. That is a whole 'nother path.

Stay humble about that which you don't know.

Oh come on, there's a reason people have backup plans. She should have been exploring other options at the same time. I've been there and done that with a packed 21 credit schedule, writing and honors thesis, and while working 20+ hours a week.

Some of us encouraged our kids to take a break after working hard for 4 years. My kid plans to start working in the fall, and I am very supportive. Careers are very long, and vacations very short, once you join the rat race.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be really upset if my college grad hadn't been applying to and interviewing for jobs all of senior year. They should have been hustling for a post-graduation job all year (and also as a junior for internships that could turn into a job). If nothing had worked out in their intended field by now, I'd expect them to have a new plan to explore other options with a broader search.

Many students were busy senior year trying to get into grad school: tons of essays, testing, and interviews. All while taking calculus, writing her senior thesis, working as a TA, etc. Mine found out 4 days before graduation that she did not get in.

Many of those appalled posters sound like they have kids seeking jobs in business. That is a whole 'nother path.

Stay humble about that which you don't know.

Oh come on, there's a reason people have backup plans. She should have been exploring other options at the same time. I've been there and done that with a packed 21 credit schedule, writing and honors thesis, and while working 20+ hours a week.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a "kid" it's a 22 or 23 year old unemployed man with an elite UVA bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, our Facebook feed right now is loaded with dozens of middle class kids of frankly average intellect graduating from low tier degree mills with job offers in Washington, Charlotte, Houston, Austin, Nashville, and Atlanta. Meaning they not only had great internships last summer, they parlayed them into job offers, and they have everything lined up to make a big move away from home. While OP's kid has done literally nothing. To pretend this is normal or pretend it's not a big deal is a lie and a total disservice to parents going through similar.

This is not a slight on those kids, I can actually verify they were mere middle and lower pack kids at our children's high school. And I see no mention of high honors in their graduation posts. And it's noteworthy that they attended low tier colleges because those colleges have far less resources than UVA and virtually zero name recognition or status cachet. And yet still, they have secured employment at graduation and are immediately moving hundreds if not thousands of miles away from home to begin their careers. While OP's kid, who is their peer from a resource rich elite college, has done nothing.

Are you Kamala's speech writer? This is a word salad that leads to nowhere n'kay....Nyic nyic nyic nyic.

Give me a break

I know plenty of kids graduating who are not employed, but honestly most of them did not do internships or had a plan to attend grad school in a year or two so are somewhat lost in the meanwhile.

I know someone who is graduating Elon and has what i consider to be an extremely weak resume with no internships and just normal teenager part-time jobs. They have no job offers, nor really any solid interviews. Conversely I know a kid graduating from Richmond with interesting internships and activities, who has three offers, between $55K and $75K.

In my opinion, its all about what you do during college. Both my kids had internships after freshman year but I think it's more important to be doing something sophomore and junior year because those are what will lead you to an offer.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be really upset if my college grad hadn't been applying to and interviewing for jobs all of senior year. They should have been hustling for a post-graduation job all year (and also as a junior for internships that could turn into a job). If nothing had worked out in their intended field by now, I'd expect them to have a new plan to explore other options with a broader search.

It’s even worse. I see no mention the kid did anything last summer either, so that’s the last TWO years wasted. But of course a handful here will pretend it’s no big deal the kid just wasted $120K on an “education.” All that education to return home to the parents house in June to play video games and eat frozen pizzas. While mom and her internet friends blame Covid-19.

You are acting as if the kid's life story is written, at age 22, within practically hours of graduating.

Anonymous wrote:I'd be really upset if my college grad hadn't been applying to and interviewing for jobs all of senior year. They should have been hustling for a post-graduation job all year (and also as a junior for internships that could turn into a job). If nothing had worked out in their intended field by now, I'd expect them to have a new plan to explore other options with a broader search.

Many students were busy senior year trying to get into grad school: tons of essays, testing, and interviews. All while taking calculus, writing her senior thesis, working as a TA, etc. Mine found out 4 days before graduation that she did not get in.

Many of those appalled posters sound like they have kids seeking jobs in business. That is a whole 'nother path.

Stay humble about that which you don't know.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a "kid" it's a 22 or 23 year old unemployed man with an elite UVA bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, our Facebook feed right now is loaded with dozens of middle class kids of frankly average intellect graduating from low tier degree mills with job offers in Washington, Charlotte, Houston, Austin, Nashville, and Atlanta. Meaning they not only had great internships last summer, they parlayed them into job offers, and they have everything lined up to make a big move away from home. While OP's kid has done literally nothing. To pretend this is normal or pretend it's not a big deal is a lie and a total disservice to parents going through similar.

This is not a slight on those kids, I can actually verify they were mere middle and lower pack kids at our children's high school. And I see no mention of high honors in their graduation posts. And it's noteworthy that they attended low tier colleges because those colleges have far less resources than UVA and virtually zero name recognition or status cachet. And yet still, they have secured employment at graduation and are immediately moving hundreds if not thousands of miles away from home to begin their careers. While OP's kid, who is their peer from a resource rich elite college, has done nothing.

Are you Kamala's speech writer? This is a word salad that leads to nowhere n'kay....Nyic nyic nyic nyic.

Middle class 22 y/o kids at mediocre colleges = Beginning careers in booming cities.

OP's privileged 22 y/o kid at an elite college = Unemployed loser.

It ain't Covid and this ain't normal. OP's coddled kid has issues.

You seem bitter, have a Valium and a cocktail.

seriously! wtf? That level of vitriol over someone you don't know "ain't normal."

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Anonymous wrote:How are your daughter's interpersonal skills? How do you think she interviews? In this economy, a history major from UVA should be able to line up a decent job.

One suggestion: If she's looking to return to the DMV, advise her to apply for paralegal jobs in Biglaw. They pay well and are usually two-year stints.

I was a history major at Cal and worked as a paralegal in big law after graduation. It was a fantastic job. Figured out I didn’t want to be a lawyer, but worked with super smart people with high standards. Pay was great and I earned overtime plus got to travel. Loved it.

My DC majored in a foreign language with a minor in mathematics. Terrible time just getting interviews. However, DC had ONE job offer from a law firm, working there for two years, headed to law school in the fall and loving it!

My shy DC graduated from an Ivy League so there's NO guarantee that people are beating down your door. I thought the foreign language/math combo would be a shoe-in for corporate. Who knew?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a "kid" it's a 22 or 23 year old unemployed man with an elite UVA bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, our Facebook feed right now is loaded with dozens of middle class kids of frankly average intellect graduating from low tier degree mills with job offers in Washington, Charlotte, Houston, Austin, Nashville, and Atlanta. Meaning they not only had great internships last summer, they parlayed them into job offers, and they have everything lined up to make a big move away from home. While OP's kid has done literally nothing. To pretend this is normal or pretend it's not a big deal is a lie and a total disservice to parents going through similar.

This is not a slight on those kids, I can actually verify they were mere middle and lower pack kids at our children's high school. And I see no mention of high honors in their graduation posts. And it's noteworthy that they attended low tier colleges because those colleges have far less resources than UVA and virtually zero name recognition or status cachet. And yet still, they have secured employment at graduation and are immediately moving hundreds if not thousands of miles away from home to begin their careers. While OP's kid, who is their peer from a resource rich elite college, has done nothing.

Are you Kamala's speech writer? This is a word salad that leads to nowhere n'kay....Nyic nyic nyic nyic.

Middle class 22 y/o kids at mediocre colleges = Beginning careers in booming cities.

OP's privileged 22 y/o kid at an elite college = Unemployed loser.

It ain't Covid and this ain't normal. OP's coddled kid has issues.

You seem bitter, have a Valium and a cocktail.

Anonymous wrote:How are your daughter's interpersonal skills? How do you think she interviews? In this economy, a history major from UVA should be able to line up a decent job.

One suggestion: If she's looking to return to the DMV, advise her to apply for paralegal jobs in Biglaw. They pay well and are usually two-year stints.

I was a history major at Cal and worked as a paralegal in big law after graduation. It was a fantastic job. Figured out I didn’t want to be a lawyer, but worked with super smart people with high standards. Pay was great and I earned overtime plus got to travel. Loved it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a "kid" it's a 22 or 23 year old unemployed man with an elite UVA bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, our Facebook feed right now is loaded with dozens of middle class kids of frankly average intellect graduating from low tier degree mills with job offers in Washington, Charlotte, Houston, Austin, Nashville, and Atlanta. Meaning they not only had great internships last summer, they parlayed them into job offers, and they have everything lined up to make a big move away from home. While OP's kid has done literally nothing. To pretend this is normal or pretend it's not a big deal is a lie and a total disservice to parents going through similar.

This is not a slight on those kids, I can actually verify they were mere middle and lower pack kids at our children's high school. And I see no mention of high honors in their graduation posts. And it's noteworthy that they attended low tier colleges because those colleges have far less resources than UVA and virtually zero name recognition or status cachet. And yet still, they have secured employment at graduation and are immediately moving hundreds if not thousands of miles away from home to begin their careers. While OP's kid, who is their peer from a resource rich elite college, has done nothing.

Are you Kamala's speech writer? This is a word salad that leads to nowhere n'kay....Nyic nyic nyic nyic.

Middle class 22 y/o kids at mediocre colleges = Beginning careers in booming cities.

OP's privileged 22 y/o kid at an elite college = Unemployed loser.

It ain't Covid and this ain't normal. OP's coddled kid has issues.

In five years when OP's kid is still a terminally unmotivated bum and OP is still paying his bills, she and hubby will still be blaming Covid-19. "It's just so unfortunate he had to graduate into a global pandemic. It imploded and disrupted his big plans..." Denial river.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a "kid" it's a 22 or 23 year old unemployed man with an elite UVA bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, our Facebook feed right now is loaded with dozens of middle class kids of frankly average intellect graduating from low tier degree mills with job offers in Washington, Charlotte, Houston, Austin, Nashville, and Atlanta. Meaning they not only had great internships last summer, they parlayed them into job offers, and they have everything lined up to make a big move away from home. While OP's kid has done literally nothing. To pretend this is normal or pretend it's not a big deal is a lie and a total disservice to parents going through similar.

This is not a slight on those kids, I can actually verify they were mere middle and lower pack kids at our children's high school. And I see no mention of high honors in their graduation posts. And it's noteworthy that they attended low tier colleges because those colleges have far less resources than UVA and virtually zero name recognition or status cachet. And yet still, they have secured employment at graduation and are immediately moving hundreds if not thousands of miles away from home to begin their careers. While OP's kid, who is their peer from a resource rich elite college, has done nothing.

Are you Kamala's speech writer? This is a word salad that leads to nowhere n'kay....Nyic nyic nyic nyic.

Anonymous wrote:It's not a "kid" it's a 22 or 23 year old unemployed man with an elite UVA bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, our Facebook feed right now is loaded with dozens of middle class kids of frankly average intellect graduating from low tier degree mills with job offers in Washington, Charlotte, Houston, Austin, Nashville, and Atlanta. Meaning they not only had great internships last summer, they parlayed them into job offers, and they have everything lined up to make a big move away from home. While OP's kid has done literally nothing. To pretend this is normal or pretend it's not a big deal is a lie and a total disservice to parents going through similar.

The other kids parents are just not posting. I was just at DS grads. Some kids had jobs. Some did not. Many were not really sure what they wanted.

Anonymous wrote:It's not a "kid" it's a 22 or 23 year old unemployed man with an elite UVA bachelor's degree. Meanwhile, our Facebook feed right now is loaded with dozens of middle class kids of frankly average intellect graduating from low tier degree mills with job offers in Washington, Charlotte, Houston, Austin, Nashville, and Atlanta. Meaning they not only had great internships last summer, they parlayed them into job offers, and they have everything lined up to make a big move away from home. While OP's kid has done literally nothing. To pretend this is normal or pretend it's not a big deal is a lie and a total disservice to parents going through similar.

This is not a slight on those kids, I can actually verify they were mere middle and lower pack kids at our children's high school. And I see no mention of high honors in their graduation posts. And it's noteworthy that they attended low tier colleges because those colleges have far less resources than UVA and virtually zero name recognition or status cachet. And yet still, they have secured employment at graduation and are immediately moving hundreds if not thousands of miles away from home to begin their careers. While OP's kid, who is their peer from a resource rich elite college, has done nothing.