Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 19:48     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
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Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


I think it depends a lot on the school. For the most competitive schools, I’m not sure how much of an advantage ED gives if you don’t have any hooks. For less competitive schools, ED absolutely gives an advantage. Obviously there is a huge range and there are likely a lot of variables at play.


But my kid won't need an advantage at less competitive schools. Neither will many others.

And for the person who likes the book, can you provide any data?


From the amazon page:

Applying to an elite college through an early-admissions program can improve students' chances of getting in by as much as 50 percent over their odds during the regular admissions cycle, a difference that is the equivalent of scoring 100 points higher on the SAT...Based on an analysis of admission data at top colleges, as well as interviews with over 400 college freshmen [The Early Admissions Game] challenges the official line of college admissions deans, who have long held that applying early does not give prospective students an advantage over regular applicants. But the research confirms what many high-school counselors already suspected, and it is likely to fuel debate over whether early-admissions programs favor wealthy and well-connected students and should be eliminated or reformed.
--Jeffrey R. Young, Chronicle of Higher Education


That's not data. That's a blurb trying to sell a book.


Also, it says it *can* be the equivalent of 100 pts on an SAT--which likely means that's the most extreme example--not the most typical case.


Yeah that makes sense.

No, wait, it doesn’t. Because you didn’t read the effing book, and the guilt writing the blurb did, and I did too.

It is the average boost overall. Read the damn book and then you can dispute it. Try your local library.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 19:46     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
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Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


I think it depends a lot on the school. For the most competitive schools, I’m not sure how much of an advantage ED gives if you don’t have any hooks. For less competitive schools, ED absolutely gives an advantage. Obviously there is a huge range and there are likely a lot of variables at play.


But my kid won't need an advantage at less competitive schools. Neither will many others.

And for the person who likes the book, can you provide any data?


From the amazon page:

Applying to an elite college through an early-admissions program can improve students' chances of getting in by as much as 50 percent over their odds during the regular admissions cycle, a difference that is the equivalent of scoring 100 points higher on the SAT...Based on an analysis of admission data at top colleges, as well as interviews with over 400 college freshmen [The Early Admissions Game] challenges the official line of college admissions deans, who have long held that applying early does not give prospective students an advantage over regular applicants. But the research confirms what many high-school counselors already suspected, and it is likely to fuel debate over whether early-admissions programs favor wealthy and well-connected students and should be eliminated or reformed.
--Jeffrey R. Young, Chronicle of Higher Education


That's not data. That's a blurb trying to sell a book.


Sigh… the data is in the book. The blurb is a summary of the conclusion. Must every post be followed by pedantic ridiculousness on this forum?

Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 17:26     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


I think it depends a lot on the school. For the most competitive schools, I’m not sure how much of an advantage ED gives if you don’t have any hooks. For less competitive schools, ED absolutely gives an advantage. Obviously there is a huge range and there are likely a lot of variables at play.


But my kid won't need an advantage at less competitive schools. Neither will many others.

And for the person who likes the book, can you provide any data?


From the amazon page:

Applying to an elite college through an early-admissions program can improve students' chances of getting in by as much as 50 percent over their odds during the regular admissions cycle, a difference that is the equivalent of scoring 100 points higher on the SAT...Based on an analysis of admission data at top colleges, as well as interviews with over 400 college freshmen [The Early Admissions Game] challenges the official line of college admissions deans, who have long held that applying early does not give prospective students an advantage over regular applicants. But the research confirms what many high-school counselors already suspected, and it is likely to fuel debate over whether early-admissions programs favor wealthy and well-connected students and should be eliminated or reformed.
--Jeffrey R. Young, Chronicle of Higher Education


That's not data. That's a blurb trying to sell a book.


Also, it says it *can* be the equivalent of 100 pts on an SAT--which likely means that's the most extreme example--not the most typical case.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 17:22     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


I think it depends a lot on the school. For the most competitive schools, I’m not sure how much of an advantage ED gives if you don’t have any hooks. For less competitive schools, ED absolutely gives an advantage. Obviously there is a huge range and there are likely a lot of variables at play.


But my kid won't need an advantage at less competitive schools. Neither will many others.

And for the person who likes the book, can you provide any data?


From the amazon page:

Applying to an elite college through an early-admissions program can improve students' chances of getting in by as much as 50 percent over their odds during the regular admissions cycle, a difference that is the equivalent of scoring 100 points higher on the SAT...Based on an analysis of admission data at top colleges, as well as interviews with over 400 college freshmen [The Early Admissions Game] challenges the official line of college admissions deans, who have long held that applying early does not give prospective students an advantage over regular applicants. But the research confirms what many high-school counselors already suspected, and it is likely to fuel debate over whether early-admissions programs favor wealthy and well-connected students and should be eliminated or reformed.
--Jeffrey R. Young, Chronicle of Higher Education


That's not data. That's a blurb trying to sell a book.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 16:38     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


I think it depends a lot on the school. For the most competitive schools, I’m not sure how much of an advantage ED gives if you don’t have any hooks. For less competitive schools, ED absolutely gives an advantage. Obviously there is a huge range and there are likely a lot of variables at play.


But my kid won't need an advantage at less competitive schools. Neither will many others.

And for the person who likes the book, can you provide any data?


From the amazon page:

Applying to an elite college through an early-admissions program can improve students' chances of getting in by as much as 50 percent over their odds during the regular admissions cycle, a difference that is the equivalent of scoring 100 points higher on the SAT...Based on an analysis of admission data at top colleges, as well as interviews with over 400 college freshmen [The Early Admissions Game] challenges the official line of college admissions deans, who have long held that applying early does not give prospective students an advantage over regular applicants. But the research confirms what many high-school counselors already suspected, and it is likely to fuel debate over whether early-admissions programs favor wealthy and well-connected students and should be eliminated or reformed.
--Jeffrey R. Young, Chronicle of Higher Education
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 16:36     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:Obviously depends on the school and you can see the numbers in the common data sets. But if you hear enough presentations, you will come across schools that essentially say "DC won't get in unless they apply ED."


But why is that? Who are they taking RD then?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 16:36     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


Don’t want to spend 35 bucks. Summarize for us please .


I did in the first post. ED equated to a 150 point SAT increase.

Go to the library or buy it used (as I did) if you want the skinny on ED.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 16:30     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


I think it depends a lot on the school. For the most competitive schools, I’m not sure how much of an advantage ED gives if you don’t have any hooks. For less competitive schools, ED absolutely gives an advantage. Obviously there is a huge range and there are likely a lot of variables at play.


But my kid won't need an advantage at less competitive schools. Neither will many others.

And for the person who likes the book, can you provide any data?


This may be true if the school has really high admissions rates. Otherwise, don't be so sure.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 16:29     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:So, is there a single school where ED is without a doubt a huge advantage?


Depends on the applicant.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 15:25     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


I think it depends a lot on the school. For the most competitive schools, I’m not sure how much of an advantage ED gives if you don’t have any hooks. For less competitive schools, ED absolutely gives an advantage. Obviously there is a huge range and there are likely a lot of variables at play.


But my kid won't need an advantage at less competitive schools. Neither will many others.

And for the person who likes the book, can you provide any data?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 15:17     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


I think it depends a lot on the school. For the most competitive schools, I’m not sure how much of an advantage ED gives if you don’t have any hooks. For less competitive schools, ED absolutely gives an advantage. Obviously there is a huge range and there are likely a lot of variables at play.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 14:52     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


Don’t want to spend 35 bucks. Summarize for us please .


I mean tell us more . You kind of summarized
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 14:49     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.


Don’t want to spend 35 bucks. Summarize for us please .
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 14:45     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
Anonymous wrote:I actually wonder if it’s harder for an unconnected kid without any hooks to get in ED.


It isn't (generally). See the book referenced elsewhere in this thread which provides evidence and data.

If a school is need-aware, ED is a pretty solid hook.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2022 14:40     Subject: Why would you not apply ED?
So, is there a single school where ED is without a doubt a huge advantage?