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Anonymous wrote:It's my understanding that to identify as Native American on college apps you need to provide a tribal number as proof. When my kids applied a few years ago that was required. I have a friend whose family is Native American and went through the process of research and obtaining a tribal number. I didn't think you could simply say you're Native American without that. I think you can identify that way for other categories, but not Native American. I don't know why anyone would do it - it reeks of pathetic insecurity. College admissions is a crapshoot - no everyone will get in everywhere. If you can't get in on your own merits you don't deserve to be there. It's no different than the parents paying for their kid to get into schools.

OP - something tells me that you're falling for the mean-spirited school gossip that sadly happens around college admission time. It's pathetic and loaded with dog whistles. You have absolutely no way to know everything about this kid, his achievements, and family history. Shame on you.

Think what you want. Kids lie about their ethnicity/race , embellish their EC’s etc. Even Rick Singer advised his clients to lie about ethnicity.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7046991/William-Singer-advised-clients-lie-ethnicity-college-admissions-scam.html

You don’t want to believe that a white Caucasian kid lied about their race/ethnicity then don’t believe it. But don’t accuse me of lying. I know enough about the kid to know that they lied.

You're going to use The Daily Mail as a reliable source....? That simply says you don't even know what a reliable source really is.

Anyway, I didn't use the term lying - you did. I accused of behaving badly and repeating mean-spirited gossip about a situation you clearly don't know about. You also don't know about genetics and how they work. That white-passing kid may not be as white as you think. I know plenty of people with various backgrounds that you would assume are lily white, but they are not. Genetics.. learn about them.

Also:

- Why is this your business?
- Why do you think it's okay to gossip about a teenager on a public forum?
- Did you actually see the application that was submitted?
- Were you present for the admissions meetings to decide on the merits of the application?
- Did you confirm that the college did not use the software referenced below to determine the authenticity of the tribal number?
- Have you done a deep dive into his heritage to know the exact details of his family history beyond your assumptions based on looks?

Unless you can answer yes to any of those questions above then you are nothing but a mean-spirited parent who has nothing better to do than put others down. Grow up and concentrate on your own kid.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always surprised how much all of you know about the grades, test scores, class selection, ancestry and background of every single one of your kids' classmates.

The kid with the Argentine parent is Hispanic, by the way.

Cubans are also Hispanic.

I’m wondering whether my nephew will or should get Latino preference. His great-grandfather immigrated to Argentina after wwii in the 1950s. His grandfather was born there but came to the US as a teen, married here, and has lived in a rich white suburb his whole life. Married a white, non-Latino American. So my nephew has 1/4 of his ancestry that is European that stopped by South America for less than 15 years. Latino?

You are getting at the problem of using race or ethnicity as a proxy for low income in college admissions. Your nephew can claim to be Hispanic (from a Spanish-speaking country) and Latino (from a country in Latin America.) He is only 1/4 Hispanic or Latino, but that is usually enough to make the claim. Whether or not colleges should use this information to make distinctions is a different question.

Anonymous wrote:I'm always surprised how much all of you know about the grades, test scores, class selection, ancestry and background of every single one of your kids' classmates.

The kid with the Argentine parent is Hispanic, by the way.

Cubans are also Hispanic.

I’m wondering whether my nephew will or should get Latino preference. His great-grandfather immigrated to Argentina after wwii in the 1950s. His grandfather was born there but came to the US as a teen, married here, and has lived in a rich white suburb his whole life. Married a white, non-Latino American. So my nephew has 1/4 of his ancestry that is European that stopped by South America for less than 15 years. Latino?

What about people with ancestry from the Iberian peninsula? How is that any different from white European? Why should people with Spanish ancestry be prioritized over people with Italian ancestry, for instance?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm always surprised how much all of you know about the grades, test scores, class selection, ancestry and background of every single one of your kids' classmates.

The kid with the Argentine parent is Hispanic, by the way.

Cubans are also Hispanic.

Ok…. But her father, who yes was born in Argentina, had both of his parents (married in post ww2 Europe) emigrate to Argentina. They are ethnic Germans (not Jewish so no Holocaust story there). Does a 20 year layover in Argentina make a white European genetic lineage Hispanic?

Yes. Hispanic is not a racial group. It describes people who come from Spanish-speaking countries. Argentina is a Spanish-speaking country. These labels are imperfect from a college admissions perspective, but this person is Hispanic.

Maybe they used an egg or sperm donor?

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Anonymous wrote:About their race. Put down Native American and mexican. Got into an Ivy. Apparently DC has known for a while. I am not shocked as i know many kids probably lie but this just shows how rigged the system itself is. The entire school was surprised that this kid got in ED and now we know. Wow! I am guessing thats how colleges achieve their diversity goal.. admitting fake native Americans and hispanics.

Racism at its best!

My friend’s kid is Asian and probably can’t get into an Ivy due to their race unless they invent or discover a new planet. This is what they told me.

my kids are Asian and got into Ivy League schools without doing either. Your 'friend' is an idiot.

Yes, I knew something Asian kids from a STEM magnet HS are studying women study, gender study, or whatever most fashionable fields in a T5 school. Good students nut not top 20% in their class. Most of other Asian kids with same or better stats are in top 25 or state schools now.

You realize that at any of the top 5 schools you can change your major simply by filling out a form. The implication that they somehow had to declare a specific field of study to get admitted and then are stuck in it forever just demonstrates what a BS story you’re peddling.

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Anonymous wrote:About their race. Put down Native American and mexican. Got into an Ivy. Apparently DC has known for a while. I am not shocked as i know many kids probably lie but this just shows how rigged the system itself is. The entire school was surprised that this kid got in ED and now we know. Wow! I am guessing thats how colleges achieve their diversity goal.. admitting fake native Americans and hispanics.

Racism at its best!

My friend’s kid is Asian and probably can’t get into an Ivy due to their race unless they invent or discover a new planet. This is what they told me.

my kids are Asian and got into Ivy League schools without doing either. Your 'friend' is an idiot.

Yes, I knew something Asian kids from a STEM magnet HS are studying women study, gender study, or whatever most fashionable fields in a T5 school. Good students nut not top 20% in their class. Most of other Asian kids with same or better stats are in top 25 or state schools now.

Do you know how many Asian kids are at Ivy League schools and equivalent studying whatever it is they want? This is just white people trying to manufacture a problem to keep Asians from noticing that the admitted students with the lowest scores are white athletes.

Anonymous wrote:I'm always surprised how much all of you know about the grades, test scores, class selection, ancestry and background of every single one of your kids' classmates.

The kid with the Argentine parent is Hispanic, by the way.

Cubans are also Hispanic.

Ok…. But her father, who yes was born in Argentina, had both of his parents (married in post ww2 Europe) emigrate to Argentina. They are ethnic Germans (not Jewish so no Holocaust story there). Does a 20 year layover in Argentina make a white European genetic lineage Hispanic?

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Anonymous wrote:About their race. Put down Native American and mexican. Got into an Ivy. Apparently DC has known for a while. I am not shocked as i know many kids probably lie but this just shows how rigged the system itself is. The entire school was surprised that this kid got in ED and now we know. Wow! I am guessing thats how colleges achieve their diversity goal.. admitting fake native Americans and hispanics.

Racism at its best!

My friend’s kid is Asian and probably can’t get into an Ivy due to their race unless they invent or discover a new planet. This is what they told me.

my kids are Asian and got into Ivy League schools without doing either. Your 'friend' is an idiot.

Yes, I knew something Asian kids from a STEM magnet HS are studying women study, gender study, or whatever most fashionable fields in a T5 school. Good students nut not top 20% in their class. Most of other Asian kids with same or better stats are in top 25 or state schools now.

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Anonymous wrote:About their race. Put down Native American and mexican. Got into an Ivy. Apparently DC has known for a while. I am not shocked as i know many kids probably lie but this just shows how rigged the system itself is. The entire school was surprised that this kid got in ED and now we know. Wow! I am guessing thats how colleges achieve their diversity goal.. admitting fake native Americans and hispanics.

Racism at its best!

My friend’s kid is Asian and probably can’t get into an Ivy due to their race unless they invent or discover a new planet. This is what they told me.

my kids are Asian and got into Ivy League schools without doing either. Your 'friend' is an idiot.

Uh oh. It’s the “Idiot Police” again.

There’s always someone here ready to label people an idiot or moron. Well, thank you for your scintillating commentary. You must be brilliant.

yeah - because the claim that Asians can't get into an ivy without discovering a new planet isn't a facially stupid comment. You think it's accurate? You think it's a rational comment steeped in evidence and data? Even as hyperbole it's dumb.

Sometimes people make idiotic statements. this is one of those times. Sorry if my characterization hits too close to home for you.

You don’t like facts then. It’s not about being an idiot. It’s about noted discrimination. Your fake apology and insults illustrate your inability to have an intelligent discussion.

Newsweek disagrees with you but why bother with facts. Just keep fluttering your hands and saying whatever comes to mind without thinking first.

Oh my God. Some well known libertarian wrote an op-Ed that was reprinted on the Newsweek website does not mean anything. Besides it still doesn’t support the original statement. Harvard early this year was 26% Asian. Did they all discover planets?

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Anonymous wrote:About their race. Put down Native American and mexican. Got into an Ivy. Apparently DC has known for a while. I am not shocked as i know many kids probably lie but this just shows how rigged the system itself is. The entire school was surprised that this kid got in ED and now we know. Wow! I am guessing thats how colleges achieve their diversity goal.. admitting fake native Americans and hispanics.

OP, you should report this to the Ivy. This the only way to stop this kind of fraud.

Wait, how are they going to prove these allegations. This is silly. Submitting a self-written essay is also on the honor system. If you have solid grades and tests, however, you will be fine.

Anonymous wrote:About their race. Put down Native American and mexican. Got into an Ivy. Apparently DC has known for a while. I am not shocked as i know many kids probably lie but this just shows how rigged the system itself is. The entire school was surprised that this kid got in ED and now we know. Wow! I am guessing thats how colleges achieve their diversity goal.. admitting fake native Americans and hispanics.

OP, you should report this to the Ivy. This the only way to stop this kind of fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:You really don't know that right? If someone is 1/16, how would you know?

I think one can’t declare being Native American unless connected currently to a nation. I’m 1/16 or so. Most of us probably are. I never say I’m Native American. I didn’t grow up that way. I don’t know the language. I never was discriminated against bc if it.

People do ask if I’m from somewhere else, which is ironic. They ask if I am Arab, Greek, Jewish. I figure we have some other hidden history to have our color skin. I’ll never know for sure.

Had your parents relocated to another part of the country, away from the nation, or they were just never really connected? Childhood friend's family was fairly connected, even though they had moved ~200 miles away as young kids. Nation recognized by USG in late '70s. Their dad now deceased, but mom has retired back in the community where they have built senior housing from gaming proceeds. They spend every summer there and guessing at least two of the now middle aged children may retire there in the coming years.

That sounds nice that they can go back!

We have no connection to any nation, and I would never say that I’m Native American. I might even be less than 1/16! I don’t know. I doubt it’s anymore than most Americans? I only found out when assigned to do a report in elementary school. My dad must have suggested I call my grandmother to ask. She was the family historian. She identified more as Scottish than anything else. But we are all mishmashes, who turn very dark in the summer.

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Anonymous wrote:You really don't know that right? If someone is 1/16, how would you know?

I think one can’t declare being Native American unless connected currently to a nation. I’m 1/16 or so. Most of us probably are. I never say I’m Native American. I didn’t grow up that way. I don’t know the language. I never was discriminated against bc if it.

People do ask if I’m from somewhere else, which is ironic. They ask if I am Arab, Greek, Jewish. I figure we have some other hidden history to have our color skin. I’ll never know for sure.

Had your parents relocated to another part of the country, away from the nation, or they were just never really connected? Childhood friend's family was fairly connected, even though they had moved ~200 miles away as young kids. Nation recognized by USG in late '70s. Their dad now deceased, but mom has retired back in the community where they have built senior housing from gaming proceeds. They spend every summer there and guessing at least two of the now middle aged children may retire there in the coming years.