Anonymous wrote:We're making plans to leave. My sister is seriously interviewing for a job in Amsterdam and my Dad just got his citizenship for an EU country (his Dad was an immigrant).

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for, Virginia. Bunch of idiots.

This. Youngkin is going to kill all of the political progress made in Virginia that made businesses want to locate there and people want to live there.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are pro-choice and pro-gun control and voted for a republican who favors open gun ownership including assault weapons, and wants restrictions on abortion to the point that women are being forced to carry a fetus to term.

Well done.

+1. If you vote in favor of government forcing women to be incubators for unwanted and non-viable children and the country being awash in guns so that our kids get gunned down in school at stratospherically higher rates than in virtually every other country, then you do support those policies. Your *feelings* about them are irrelevant. You have *acted* in favor of them.

I am done talking. If you want to prevail then you have to LISTEN. It’s communications 101. And not just to your echo chamber.

And you cannot shame people into agreeing with you. Also communications 101.

Extremists on either side control the narrative but we in the middle control who is in charge. Let that sink in. And step off your self-righteous pedestal and acknowledge our power. And what you have to do to earn our support. Ranting does not help.

What makes you think you are "in the middle"? Simply believing that you are? Extremists typically don't regard themselves as such.

Because I exercise a considered choice election. I don’t just bleat in unison with rest of the flock.

Why do you believe it is others' responsibility to listen but not yours? You are not remotely "in the middle" based on your statements here, you are not interested in having a conversation about policy, and you are not open to others' viewpoints - you simply want to view yourself as a victim of whatever issue de jour you've decided represents Democrats wronging you.

I don’t see myself as a victim at all. No idea why you see it that way. I felt wronged and I exercised my vote as a consequence. There are no victims in a functioning democracy. Trump should accept it when the voters have spoken. So should you. Instead of castigating those that voted for Youngkin, focus your energies on getting the independents back in the tent. This thread is proof that you are not there yet. And perhaps never will be.

Far more Americans vote for Democrats than Republicans. This means that Democrats do represent the center. Again, your feelings about this are irrelevant. Facts are facts.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are pro-choice and pro-gun control and voted for a republican who favors open gun ownership including assault weapons, and wants restrictions on abortion to the point that women are being forced to carry a fetus to term.

Well done.

+1. If you vote in favor of government forcing women to be incubators for unwanted and non-viable children and the country being awash in guns so that our kids get gunned down in school at stratospherically higher rates than in virtually every other country, then you do support those policies. Your *feelings* about them are irrelevant. You have *acted* in favor of them.

I am done talking. If you want to prevail then you have to LISTEN. It’s communications 101. And not just to your echo chamber.

And you cannot shame people into agreeing with you. Also communications 101.

Extremists on either side control the narrative but we in the middle control who is in charge. Let that sink in. And step off your self-righteous pedestal and acknowledge our power. And what you have to do to earn our support. Ranting does not help.

What makes you think you are "in the middle"? Simply believing that you are? Extremists typically don't regard themselves as such.

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for, Virginia. Bunch of idiots.

This. Youngkin is going to kill all of the political progress made in Virginia that made businesses want to locate there and people want to live there.

+1, from a Virginian. None of this is surprising from Youngkin, but the people who voted for him will try to pretend that being mad about schools somehow excuses their vote.

Yup. This is 100% on them. Youngkin admitted before the election that he was going to push anti-choice.

Next time rein in your SJWs if you want my vote. Calling me an idiot does not make me feel welcome either. Also recognize that your top issue may not be my top issue. Your doomsday scenario with Youngkin is laughable. Larry Hogan next door runs a deep blue state.

Instead of scaremongering and shaming, do an introspection and come back and earn my vote.

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this type of extremism will scare off businesses in the short run - they might bank on sanity being restored in the next election. However, I, as a neighbor in DC, won't be visiting or spending a dime in Virginia as long as Youngkin is in charge.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are pro-choice and pro-gun control and voted for a republican who favors open gun ownership including assault weapons, and wants restrictions on abortion to the point that women are being forced to carry a fetus to term.

Well done.

+1. If you vote in favor of government forcing women to be incubators for unwanted and non-viable children and the country being awash in guns so that our kids get gunned down in school at stratospherically higher rates than in virtually every other country, then you do support those policies. Your *feelings* about them are irrelevant. You have *acted* in favor of them.

I am done talking. If you want to prevail then you have to LISTEN. It’s communications 101. And not just to your echo chamber.

And you cannot shame people into agreeing with you. Also communications 101.

Extremists on either side control the narrative but we in the middle control who is in charge. Let that sink in. And step off your self-righteous pedestal and acknowledge our power. And what you have to do to earn our support. Ranting does not help.

What makes you think you are "in the middle"? Simply believing that you are? Extremists typically don't regard themselves as such.

Because I exercise a considered choice election. I don’t just bleat in unison with rest of the flock.

Why do you believe it is others' responsibility to listen but not yours? You are not remotely "in the middle" based on your statements here, you are not interested in having a conversation about policy, and you are not open to others' viewpoints - you simply want to view yourself as a victim of whatever issue de jour you've decided represents Democrats wronging you.

I don’t see myself as a victim at all. No idea why you see it that way. I felt wronged and I exercised my vote as a consequence. There are no victims in a functioning democracy. Trump should accept it when the voters have spoken. So should you. Instead of castigating those that voted for Youngkin, focus your energies on getting the independents back in the tent. This thread is proof that you are not there yet. And perhaps never will be.

Far more Americans vote for Democrats than Republicans. This means that Democrats do represent the center. Again, your feelings about this are irrelevant. Facts are facts.

I don’t care about the relevance of my feelings. My vote is relevant and it was relevant in the last election.

“Facts are facts” - care to cite a source for “ This means that Democrats do represent the center.”?

Meanwhile read this - https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

DP. Your feelings sure seem relevant if you are voting out of spite.

She never said she voted out of spite.

"I felt wronged and I exercised my vote as a consequence."

I don't read that as spite. I read that as aligning with someone who was putting higher weight on priorities she puts higher weight on. Her weights or what they average out to don't have to match your weights for it not to be spite.

No, PP said how she felt and her feelings were why she inflicted consequences. That is spite.

As I am the poster quoted, I was not spiteful. Spite, by definition, triggered by malice. My vote was considered, judicious and deserving towards my goal. Now my goal may be spiteful to you but that is your issue. I am a he, btw and that may help you box me in your stereotype.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are pro-choice and pro-gun control and voted for a republican who favors open gun ownership including assault weapons, and wants restrictions on abortion to the point that women are being forced to carry a fetus to term.

Well done.

+1. If you vote in favor of government forcing women to be incubators for unwanted and non-viable children and the country being awash in guns so that our kids get gunned down in school at stratospherically higher rates than in virtually every other country, then you do support those policies. Your *feelings* about them are irrelevant. You have *acted* in favor of them.

I am done talking. If you want to prevail then you have to LISTEN. It’s communications 101. And not just to your echo chamber.

And you cannot shame people into agreeing with you. Also communications 101.

Extremists on either side control the narrative but we in the middle control who is in charge. Let that sink in. And step off your self-righteous pedestal and acknowledge our power. And what you have to do to earn our support. Ranting does not help.

What makes you think you are "in the middle"? Simply believing that you are? Extremists typically don't regard themselves as such.

Because I exercise a considered choice election. I don’t just bleat in unison with rest of the flock.

Why do you believe it is others' responsibility to listen but not yours? You are not remotely "in the middle" based on your statements here, you are not interested in having a conversation about policy, and you are not open to others' viewpoints - you simply want to view yourself as a victim of whatever issue de jour you've decided represents Democrats wronging you.

I don’t see myself as a victim at all. No idea why you see it that way. I felt wronged and I exercised my vote as a consequence. There are no victims in a functioning democracy. Trump should accept it when the voters have spoken. So should you. Instead of castigating those that voted for Youngkin, focus your energies on getting the independents back in the tent. This thread is proof that you are not there yet. And perhaps never will be.

Far more Americans vote for Democrats than Republicans. This means that Democrats do represent the center. Again, your feelings about this are irrelevant. Facts are facts.

I don’t care about the relevance of my feelings. My vote is relevant and it was relevant in the last election.

“Facts are facts” - care to cite a source for “ This means that Democrats do represent the center.”?

Meanwhile read this - https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

DP. Your feelings sure seem relevant if you are voting out of spite.

She never said she voted out of spite.

"I felt wronged and I exercised my vote as a consequence."

I don't read that as spite. I read that as aligning with someone who was putting higher weight on priorities she puts higher weight on. Her weights or what they average out to don't have to match your weights for it not to be spite.

No, PP said how she felt and her feelings were why she inflicted consequences. That is spite.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are pro-choice and pro-gun control and voted for a republican who favors open gun ownership including assault weapons, and wants restrictions on abortion to the point that women are being forced to carry a fetus to term.

Well done.

+1. If you vote in favor of government forcing women to be incubators for unwanted and non-viable children and the country being awash in guns so that our kids get gunned down in school at stratospherically higher rates than in virtually every other country, then you do support those policies. Your *feelings* about them are irrelevant. You have *acted* in favor of them.

I am done talking. If you want to prevail then you have to LISTEN. It’s communications 101. And not just to your echo chamber.

And you cannot shame people into agreeing with you. Also communications 101.

Extremists on either side control the narrative but we in the middle control who is in charge. Let that sink in. And step off your self-righteous pedestal and acknowledge our power. And what you have to do to earn our support. Ranting does not help.

What makes you think you are "in the middle"? Simply believing that you are? Extremists typically don't regard themselves as such.

Because I exercise a considered choice election. I don’t just bleat in unison with rest of the flock.

Why do you believe it is others' responsibility to listen but not yours? You are not remotely "in the middle" based on your statements here, you are not interested in having a conversation about policy, and you are not open to others' viewpoints - you simply want to view yourself as a victim of whatever issue de jour you've decided represents Democrats wronging you.

I don’t see myself as a victim at all. No idea why you see it that way. I felt wronged and I exercised my vote as a consequence. There are no victims in a functioning democracy. Trump should accept it when the voters have spoken. So should you. Instead of castigating those that voted for Youngkin, focus your energies on getting the independents back in the tent. This thread is proof that you are not there yet. And perhaps never will be.

Far more Americans vote for Democrats than Republicans. This means that Democrats do represent the center. Again, your feelings about this are irrelevant. Facts are facts.

I don’t care about the relevance of my feelings. My vote is relevant and it was relevant in the last election.

“Facts are facts” - care to cite a source for “ This means that Democrats do represent the center.”?

Meanwhile read this - https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

DP. Your feelings sure seem relevant if you are voting out of spite.

She never said she voted out of spite.

"I felt wronged and I exercised my vote as a consequence."

I don't read that as spite. I read that as aligning with someone who was putting higher weight on priorities she puts higher weight on. Her weights or what they average out to don't have to match your weights for it not to be spite.

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for, Virginia. Bunch of idiots.

This. Youngkin is going to kill all of the political progress made in Virginia that made businesses want to locate there and people want to live there.

+1, from a Virginian. None of this is surprising from Youngkin, but the people who voted for him will try to pretend that being mad about schools somehow excuses their vote.

Yup. This is 100% on them. Youngkin admitted before the election that he was going to push anti-choice.

Next time rein in your SJWs if you want my vote. Calling me an idiot does not make me feel welcome either. Also recognize that your top issue may not be my top issue. Your doomsday scenario with Youngkin is laughable. Larry Hogan next door runs a deep blue state.

Instead of scaremongering and shaming, do an introspection and come back and earn my vote.

“Earn your vote”? You really need anonymous posters to convince you?

Most adults are capable of evaluating candidates on their own. Weird that you rely on strangers to form your opinion.

Anyway, if you voted for Youngkin you voted for everything that comes with him. Including misogyny. That’s on you.

Your bravado is fueled by your own anonymity. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

The Democrats treated me and my issues as roadkill when they raced through with their one shot agenda. There was no space for anyone who saw it differently from the extreme left wingers that have hijacked policy making in the party. But with supercilious boosters like you trying to shame me for my vote, my one-off vote may not be one-off. Yes, my vote is earned by whoever gets it. And I hope yours is earned as well. Or else our democracy is in trouble.

No one filled out your ballot but you. Stop blaming others for your actions.

Own it.

Where do you see me apologizing for my ballot. I am proud of my vote and the outcome. And despite the fear-monger it I don’t worry that all hell will break loose with Youngkin. I am pro-choice and favor gun control but the Democratic Party is not listening. Enough said.

You are NOT pro choice or in favor of gun control. You sacrificed both of these so you could, what, be sure your kid doesn’t allegedly play privileged bingo. Own your fing choice.

You are not the gatekeeper of who is pro-choice and who favors gun-control. And I don’t owe my vote to your effing set of political priorities. Said it before and will say it again - proud of my vote. And proud of the outcome. And I have no fear or apprehension of what the future holds. Doomsday was a word in the Trump dictionary. Like Trump you are a sore loser and it would not be surprising to see blue “Make Virginia Great Again” hats.

What a pity.

With the language you’re using, you sound like a Republican propagandist paid by billionaires to lie to America.

Here’s the truth:

Trump wants to be a dictator
Trump’s policies help radical billionaires
Republicans want to help Trump because their party serves billionaires
The only way to get votes for the GOP agenda is to lie
Youngkin is a liar
Youngkin is a pro-authoritarian Christian theocratic radical — it’s the only way to get elected in today’s GOP. They need the billionaires’ money


What to do:
End Citizens United
Don’t let any friends watch Fox
For the rest of our lives vote for Democrats unless you want to live in a coathanger theocratic autocracy like Orban’s Hungary or Franco’s Spain.

Yes it is that bad.

Truth be told - this is my first foray into the political forum. I realize there is no room for s differing opinion in the Democrats tent.

Read this thread again and see if you and the others are willing to accommodate others. I truly believe the future of the party is Abigail Spangenberger and not AOC. If not, I will weigh my alternatives.

Is this really up for debate. Most Virginia Democrats are much more Abigail Spanberger than AOC. That's why they voted for Biden and not Bernie. Most American Democrats are. But then why aren't most American Republicans more Mitt Romney than Donald Trump?

Anonymous wrote:I thought over the summer that Youngkin said to supporters on the campaign trail that he'd start going on the offense when he got into office but that he needed to focus on not alienating independent voters with anti-abortion rhetoric in the meantime.

I haven't found any polling but Youngkin may have done internal polling. In any case, this is still a conservative leaning state and it's possible that the majority residents outside of Northern Virginia and urban areas might actually support shortening the number of weeks before a pregnancy can no longer be terminated.

Virginia voters, if you don't like the roll back of abortion protections, then please show up at the polls on November 7, 2023 to make sure you do your part to keep the Democratic majority in the state senate. And, state courts will continue to disapprove of extremely gerrymandered districts. That's because it's looking very likely that the 6-3 majority on the U.S. Supreme Court will not be disturbing any state laws that undermine Roe. Unfortunately, the legal reasoning in Roe is one that many of the sitting justices would love to tear apart because it is looking like stare decisis is not going to matter despite what 69% of Americans believe (that Roe should not be overturned). And even if we were to play the GOP game about polls (discount the opinions held by people living in populous blue states), I think that it would still be an opinion held by the majority even if you took out the opinions of Californians and New Yorkers.

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for, Virginia. Bunch of idiots.

This. Youngkin is going to kill all of the political progress made in Virginia that made businesses want to locate there and people want to live there.

You think Roe v Wade being overturned is going to scare off businesses?

Not being progressive scares off big businesses.

Yes businesses really really want higher taxes and expenses. Thats why they are flocking to New York and California. My guess is that more companies will come to Youngkins Virginia.

Businesses don’t flock to New York? 😂

And let’s not forget Amazon decided to come to Virginia when the Democrats were in office.

Trump is a Democrat? Who knew.

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for, Virginia. Bunch of idiots.

This. Youngkin is going to kill all of the political progress made in Virginia that made businesses want to locate there and people want to live there.

You think Roe v Wade being overturned is going to scare off businesses?

Not being progressive scares off big businesses.

Yes businesses really really want higher taxes and expenses. Thats why they are flocking to New York and California. My guess is that more companies will come to Youngkins Virginia.

Businesses don’t flock to New York? 😂

And let’s not forget Amazon decided to come to Virginia when the Democrats were in office.

Anonymous wrote:We are inches away from destroying American democracy.
Choose your side and get in the fight.

True American democrats who believe in rule of law, a fair shake for all, and true liberty (not Koch/Murdoch/GOP Lying Libertarian Liberty) will win.

We will win. If we fight. The GOP must be stopped to save the country for our children.