Anonymous
Post 01/20/2022 09:21     Subject: Re:South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.


This just isn't true, unless you are talking ONLY about elite engineering/ CS programs. It is *harder* for a female applicant of ANY race to get into an elite college than a male of the SAME race. South Asian parents, please stop raising your sons to believe they are superior to women.

-a South Asian woman who is sick of South Asian men complaining about how unfair the world is for them, because it isn't


DP. How did you get that from the PP's post? You are just projecting here. I agree with the PP. Girls definitely have it easier than boys. Not just South Asian.


Easier for STEM or CS but not any other area. Much harder for girls at LAC.


Sure, but the PP said "elite college" and that's commonly interpreted to mean the top 25-50 colleges in the US overall. Only a sliver of LACs can be considered elite. I know DCUM is "LAC central" and filled with LAC sympathizers but STEM (Engineering, CS, Medicine, Math, etc) is the future when it comes to jobs and money. So yeah, that's what really matters, especially when it comes to Asians. We tried desperately to get DS2 to apply to a LAC (to take advantage of the male card) but other than Harvey Mudd, there simply isn't one that's good enough for STEM.

I have 2 kids go through the college admission process in recent years and know a lot of their friends as well. All things being equal (grades, ECs, etc.), girls do exceedingly well in the college admissions process relative to boys. Some it even starts in high school or earlier. Teachers are partial to girls when it comes to opportunities and grades. A couple of teachers in DS' school used "ladies first" as an excuse to when it comes to kids picking the topics for discussion or projects and girls ended up getting easier assignments. This happens too often to be a one-off. Of course, your daughters are likely not going to be sharing this info. so you don't really know. We do.

Probably explains the "South Asian men complaining about how unfair the world is for them" part of PP's comment. It's true.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2022 01:55     Subject: South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Asians make up 5.9% of the US population. So they should make up 5.9% of the admissions at every university in order to be representative. Anything over that is overrepresentation.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221


Western countries represent 15% of global population. They control or own 60% of global assets. Anything over 15% is robbery and should be returned to other countries based on population. How 'bout you implement this first and come back for the 5.9% discussion?


Bravo!
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2022 00:47     Subject: Re:South Asian male applicants
I also think that South Asians are not as influential as East Asians. Moreover, South Asians did drink the koolaid that USA was a meritocracy. So, in some ways, it is pretty good that they are learning the truth pretty early in their lives. Hopefully, as they navigate their careers they will remember what happened to them and they will also learn some self-preservation and how to help and promote other South Asians.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2022 00:42     Subject: Re:South Asian male applicants
The South Asian, East Asian and white girls and boys are having a rough go of it so far in the early rounds at our school. And all smart, talented, etc. It’s really challenging if you aren’t a legacy, recruited athlete, urm, 1st gen, or student having surmounted a massive socioeconomic hurdle. We’ll see what happens when we get to regular decision.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2022 00:38     Subject: Re:South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.


This just isn't true, unless you are talking ONLY about elite engineering/ CS programs. It is *harder* for a female applicant of ANY race to get into an elite college than a male of the SAME race. South Asian parents, please stop raising your sons to believe they are superior to women.

-a South Asian woman who is sick of South Asian men complaining about how unfair the world is for them, because it isn't


DP. How did you get that from the PP's post? You are just projecting here. I agree with the PP. Girls definitely have it easier than boys. Not just South Asian.


Easier for STEM or CS but not any other area. Much harder for girls at LAC.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 23:52     Subject: South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just looking at the last 4 years of HYPSM + Ivy matriculants from TJ where maybe 20-30% of cohort are South Asian - there appears to be indeed a stark deficit of South Asians of any gender.

I wonder why. East Asians seem to be the plurality of those getting in - don't both groups supposedly face the same barriers to entry?


East Asians have been here longer as a group and have perfected ways to navigate the Ivy admission process. South Asians are not there yet.


Maybe they are not applying or if accepted, chose not to go for ROI reasons? Perhaps they see value in alternate destinations?
East Asians themselves are not a monolithic group: there’s wechat, line, kakaotalk groups but where they do converge is to focus on a very narrow set of schools.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 23:14     Subject: Re:South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.


This just isn't true, unless you are talking ONLY about elite engineering/ CS programs. It is *harder* for a female applicant of ANY race to get into an elite college than a male of the SAME race. South Asian parents, please stop raising your sons to believe they are superior to women.

-a South Asian woman who is sick of South Asian men complaining about how unfair the world is for them, because it isn't


DP. How did you get that from the PP's post? You are just projecting here. I agree with the PP. Girls definitely have it easier than boys. Not just South Asian.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 23:10     Subject: South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Asians make up 5.9% of the US population. So they should make up 5.9% of the admissions at every university in order to be representative. Anything over that is overrepresentation.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221


Western countries represent 15% of global population. They control or own 60% of global assets. Anything over 15% is robbery and should be returned to other countries based on population. How 'bout you implement this first and come back for the 5.9% discussion?
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 23:05     Subject: South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Just looking at the last 4 years of HYPSM + Ivy matriculants from TJ where maybe 20-30% of cohort are South Asian - there appears to be indeed a stark deficit of South Asians of any gender.

I wonder why. East Asians seem to be the plurality of those getting in - don't both groups supposedly face the same barriers to entry?


East Asians have been here longer as a group and have perfected ways to navigate the Ivy admission process. South Asians are not there yet.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 22:28     Subject: South Asian male applicants
Just looking at the last 4 years of HYPSM + Ivy matriculants from TJ where maybe 20-30% of cohort are South Asian - there appears to be indeed a stark deficit of South Asians of any gender.

I wonder why. East Asians seem to be the plurality of those getting in - don't both groups supposedly face the same barriers to entry?
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 21:35     Subject: Re:South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am the parent of a South Asian male senior. This is how it is playing out - excellent EC, top grades, rigorous curriculum, top SATs, prestigious internships. job, community service, national and state level honors, good recommendations, great essays etc... but riding the rejection train currently. We are full pay family.

My kid is brilliant and in STEM field, so he will be ok even in a not-top college. Eventually, he will be employed because of his skills and because barrier to entry is high for his career choice. He refused to lie on his application and clearly said that he wanted to do CS or Engineering...which is death knell for South Asian males. Maybe he will go via the community college route? Who knows.

Basically, savvy SA people are going for CS/Engineering - adjacent majors along with another humanities major like gender studies/ women studies/LGBTQ studies etc. Most are also pretending that they are bisexual or binary (using They/Them) and writing in their essays that their South Asian parents have been beating the sh1t out of them because of their sexuality. All of this is allowing them to get into Ivy Leagues. My son did not have the appetite for that so that is that...

Also, by being denied admissions because of his race has made him more savvy about racial-politics in USA. His blinders are off, and hopefully this will teach him to be less idealistic and more capable of looking out for his own interests in the future. USA is all about screwing every one else, and this lesson was very important for him to learn.


This seems overly dramatic with many false statements "Most are also pretending..." No, most are not doing this. And, if he is brilliant, the cc suggestion is like begging for the tiny violins to play. It's a tough market, and I'm sorry for your kid. I have a blonde white girl in theatre. I know your pain. But, let's not exaggerate the duplicity or others or the bleakness of our own situations. Yeah, both of our kids' races add a challenge, but it is complete exaggeration to say they are "denied" because of race. Colleges want a a diverse environment. They don't want all blonde girl actors or SAM engineers. It is what it is, and it is a good thing for the campus overall. You can encourage your kid to stand out in other ways -- mine is also in a STEM magnet w/ very advanced math. Yours could do theatre or something else. They can also both get great educations at other schools (that are not cc, but those are pretty good in this area as well). Hang in there, but try not to put the blame on other people or politics here.


DP

Sorry, but this is pretty ridiculous and it’s reasonable to be annoyed that this is the case. Regardless of what race you are.

If it’s all blond girls who make the cut, then good for them.

Not to mention, not all blond girls are the same!! Just as not all South Asian males are the same! Some may have grown up one way and some may have grown up a different way.


You don't understand higher ed. It's about education for all students, not "making the cut." If you want to do that, see Tim and Heidi.

Seriously though, diversity is an important facet of higher ed, part of the education. Some campuses that can't get enough diversity have cross cultural requirements. A campus w/ a theatre dept full of blonde white girls would not provide the best education for any of them. This is about education, not competition.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 21:31     Subject: South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Asians make up 5.9% of the US population. So they should make up 5.9% of the admissions at every university in order to be representative. Anything over that is overrepresentation.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221


Will you keep that mentality when your child needs a doctor to perform a serious operation? Or, would you have wanted medical schools to choose the people who are actually the best candidates?


Overrepresentation in any field, like in universities, does not necessarily indicate that these are all the "best candidates." That is a silly argument. People w/ access to enrichment and opportunities have historically gotten these spots/jobs. They might grow w/ more inclusion.


So your POV is that we should limit the percentage of South Asian American doctors at 5.9%. Got it.


Nope. You've extrapolated and combined w/ the first PP. I am a DP.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 21:18     Subject: Re:South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:South Asian parent here. South Asian boys certainly have to put in much effort than even a South Asian girl.


This just isn't true, unless you are talking ONLY about elite engineering/ CS programs. It is *harder* for a female applicant of ANY race to get into an elite college than a male of the SAME race. South Asian parents, please stop raising your sons to believe they are superior to women.

-a South Asian woman who is sick of South Asian men complaining about how unfair the world is for them, because it isn't
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 17:29     Subject: South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.


I don’t necessarily care about my doctor’s MCAT scores. I care that they did well in their program, they are open minded and a creative thinker who will diagnose and treat an unusual problem, are up to date and intellectually curious about their field, they have the skills, and that they are empathetic and compassionate. I don’t care at all what race they are.


+1 - All of this.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 17:27     Subject: South Asian male applicants
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NWIH

I want the doctor with the highest GPA, highest MCAT, and most prestigious residency to treat me or mine when there's a serious, life-threatening medical issue.


You're going to spend your life MAYBE getting the most talented doctor (or attorney or CPA or whatever) if you insist on criteria like that. Give me the 10th highest who has 2 decades of experience, is honest about her limitations, doesn't overindulge in alcohol, is willing to take the time to explain things thoroughly, has the utmost respect of the equally phenomenal team she works with, takes the time to stay informed of new advances, is a creative thinker, genuinely cares about my well-being, etc.


+1 highest MCAT, GPA is not the best doctor. Best information is their track record on your specific issue not prestige.

+2. Some of the best doctors I’ve worked with did not graduate at the top of their class.