Anonymous
01/11/2022 10:42
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ I don’t think many people still think that teachers unions are looking out for the kids. They don’t even pretend to do that anymore. They’re looking out for themselves.
As they should…
There is something called long Covid which in many cases is worse than death.
We still don’t fully understand Covid and the long Covid disability that millions of people have.
Long Covid is a myth and doesn’t exist except in the minds of lazy people.
When a survey of people that self reported “suspected Covid” (not real verifiable tested positive Covid) that is NOT science but misinformation.
Enough of the fear mongering.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 09:24
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really tried to give the education unions a break earlier in my life. Now I think they are perhaps just, actually evil.
+1. 2020-2021 made me realize that public sector employees with monopolies should not be allowed to unionize. And certainly not allowed to strike. If you have a monopoly as the sole provider of FAPE, there is no one else to fill the gap. You can extract unrealistic and lopsided concessions by shutting down essential government services. And you end up harming the people you are supposed to serve.
If GM goes on strike and it harms the availability of cars, people can buy Toyotas. If GM workers strike and demand too many concessions, GM becomes less competitive. This means that, down the line, there will be layoffs or out sourcing/off shoring. The union negotiates knowing that if workers
are off the job too long or demand too much, GM becomes less competitive and ultimately workers are harmed.
Public sector jobs have monopolies. Employees have great jobs security and are not subject to the pressures of capitalism. They should not be allowed to force closures and extract the sun and moon before they provide an essential government service. Especially when they refused to return last year and got first shot at vaccines billions of dollars through the CARES Act. Once that happened, they were supposed return in person. They have too much power and no guardrails.
I say this as a unionized Fed (although we cannot strike). Look it SSA’s field offices. It’s beyond insane that they have not reopened yet because of protracted discussions between the union and management.
+1 and well said.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 08:38
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Light foot is standing up to the latest demands from the Union. Still not sure why union teachers don’t have to work when people who are exposed to kids daily from the lowliest daycare workers to pediatric heat surgeons can be exposed to kids.
Can someone explain.
I would like Biden, aka "the union guy" to have a few harsh words for the Chicago Teacher's union.
No kidding! And take away their salaries!!
Where’s a freaking mandate when you need one??! The right to education is a right that we all have. The teachers can quit if they don’t like their working conditions. And make sure they can never be hired again in the public school system in this country. Biden needs to shut up about vaccine mandates when he knows they’re illegal anyway and start talking about mandating teachers to be in the classrooms and do their jobs. He actually has the authority to do that and it will do a lot more good.
LOL Teachers vote. And why would he do that when parents are pulling their kids anyway? NYC is OPEN and less than 1/3rd of their student body is in attendance.
When you get your news from randos on Twitter.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 08:35
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is there a graphic about young adults age 25-44 on a discussion about schoolchildren. I am so sick of deflection.
Because those adults are the parents of the schoolchildren you were so desperate to get back into in-person learning.
You are looking at the wrong cohort in the DMV. I got married had kids when I was living in the South. So, I had kids young for this area, when I was 27 & 29 respectively. I am 5-10 years younger than all of my kids’ friends’ mothers— enough so that they remark on it. My youngest started K when I was 32. My oldest will graduate when I am 47. An age range for “typical” DCUM parents to be engaged in k-12 is more like 35-56.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 08:13
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow, what a stupid move by the union. Voting to go on strike for two weeks. What the heck were they thinking.
"me me me"
Is that not obvious?
It's interesting that you say that. While I do not support this move, I understand their position. Teachers in America have been vilified by the right for decades now. Teaching used to be a respected well paid career. Now, parents go to school board meetings to disparage them. I hope teachers protest across the country.
Strike -> anger at and a massive loss of goodwill towards teachers -> loss of respect and it becoming politically impossible to raise pay
Look at FCPS. They could not implement a step raise last year because the perceptions of teachers were so negative and parents believed teachers were responsible for virtual. They were only able to get a $1000 bonus, spread out. And parents were angry and pushed back at that.
Striking does help how people perceive teachers.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 08:07
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:I really tried to give the education unions a break earlier in my life. Now I think they are perhaps just, actually evil.
+1. 2020-2021 made me realize that public sector employees with monopolies should not be allowed to unionize. And certainly not allowed to strike. If you have a monopoly as the sole provider of FAPE, there is no one else to fill the gap. You can extract unrealistic and lopsided concessions by shutting down essential government services. And you end up harming the people you are supposed to serve.
If GM goes on strike and it harms the availability of cars, people can buy Toyotas. If GM workers strike and demand too many concessions, GM becomes less competitive. This means that, down the line, there will be layoffs or out sourcing/off shoring. The union negotiates knowing that if workers
are off the job too long or demand too much, GM becomes less competitive and ultimately workers are harmed.
Public sector jobs have monopolies. Employees have great jobs security and are not subject to the pressures of capitalism. They should not be allowed to force closures and extract the sun and moon before they provide an essential government service. Especially when they refused to return last year and got first shot at vaccines billions of dollars through the CARES Act. Once that happened, they were supposed return in person. They have too much power and no guardrails.
I say this as a unionized Fed (although we cannot strike). Look it SSA’s field offices. It’s beyond insane that they have not reopened yet because of protracted discussions between the union and management.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 07:49
Subject: Re:CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that these teachers are ONLY thinking about Covid.... and its very minimal risk to children.
They are not considering all the other risks to children by not having schools... depression, suicide, lack of reporting child abuse, and so many other consequences of closing in-peron learning.
It is very shortsighted and they are not doing what is best for kids.
The sad thing is parents are confusing teachers with social workers.
Their job is to educate not to make sure your children are not suicidal at home. I believe that falls under parenting.
2020 called. It wants its thoroughly disproven talking points back.
Even the best DL setups , where parents with plenty of time and money and a strong desire to minimize negative impacts, require social isolation and hours a day of screentime required to DL and cancellation of ECs. They have been shown to harm mental health and academic achievement. Advocating for in person learning, with other kids and access to ECs IS parenting.
You are essentially saying that if kids who were hiding from Nazis in attics had negative outcomes, it was on the parents, not the nAzis. Quit gaslighting parents. This is why I became an HRC-Biden-Youngkin voter—all the negative attacks of moms who felt their kids were best served by in person school. He has many faults, but Youngkin will keep kids in person if humanly possible.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 05:07
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ I don’t think many people still think that teachers unions are looking out for the kids. They don’t even pretend to do that anymore. They’re looking out for themselves.
As they should…
There is something called long Covid which in many cases is worse than death.
We still don’t fully understand Covid and the long Covid disability that millions of people have.
So they should quit and hide in their basements and get out of the positions so others can replace them - others who actually want to work for their paycheck and teach kids who by now are literally years behind where they should be.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 01:46
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:^ I don’t think many people still think that teachers unions are looking out for the kids. They don’t even pretend to do that anymore. They’re looking out for themselves.
As they should…
There is something called long Covid which in many cases is worse than death.
We still don’t fully understand Covid and the long Covid disability that millions of people have.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 22:45
Subject: Re:CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The sad thing is that these teachers are ONLY thinking about Covid.... and its very minimal risk to children.
They are not considering all the other risks to children by not having schools... depression, suicide, lack of reporting child abuse, and so many other consequences of closing in-peron learning.
It is very shortsighted and they are not doing what is best for kids.
The sad thing is parents are confusing teachers with social workers.
Their job is to educate not to make sure your children are not suicidal at home. I believe that falls under parenting.
Minimal risk to children - but then there are the children who lost one or both parents, or grandparents, or others to COVID, and we know it can spread via the schools. Anyone who's had kids knows that kids are constantly bringing bugs home.
What you're saying is on its face logical and was the reason schools closed initially. But then schools were found to not be a significant source of transmission. So the data does not support your belief. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7004e3.htm
+1
You’re also assuming when schools are closed that kids just stay in their homes. It just isn’t true- they go to other forms of childcare, congregate in indoor spaces with friends, etc. So they are still potentially exposing themselves and therefore family members Covid.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 22:05
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Light foot is standing up to the latest demands from the Union. Still not sure why union teachers don’t have to work when people who are exposed to kids daily from the lowliest daycare workers to pediatric heat surgeons can be exposed to kids.
Can someone explain.
I would like Biden, aka "the union guy" to have a few harsh words for the Chicago Teacher's union.
No kidding! And take away their salaries!!
Where’s a freaking mandate when you need one??! The right to education is a right that we all have. The teachers can quit if they don’t like their working conditions. And make sure they can never be hired again in the public school system in this country. Biden needs to shut up about vaccine mandates when he knows they’re illegal anyway and start talking about mandating teachers to be in the classrooms and do their jobs. He actually has the authority to do that and it will do a lot more good.
Lol, the President of the United States does not have the power to force a local district's teachers to go to work.
He seems to think he has a lot of powers he doesn't have.... not having the power hasn't stopped him in the past.
I guarantee you if he came out strong against the union's decision it would make a difference. But, he won't. They are some of his biggest donors.
Nice circular logic there. By the way, he has come out against the actions of the Chicago Teacher's Union.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 12:55
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Light foot is standing up to the latest demands from the Union. Still not sure why union teachers don’t have to work when people who are exposed to kids daily from the lowliest daycare workers to pediatric heat surgeons can be exposed to kids.
Can someone explain.
I would like Biden, aka "the union guy" to have a few harsh words for the Chicago Teacher's union.
No kidding! And take away their salaries!!
Where’s a freaking mandate when you need one??! The right to education is a right that we all have. The teachers can quit if they don’t like their working conditions. And make sure they can never be hired again in the public school system in this country. Biden needs to shut up about vaccine mandates when he knows they’re illegal anyway and start talking about mandating teachers to be in the classrooms and do their jobs. He actually has the authority to do that and it will do a lot more good.
Lol, the President of the United States does not have the power to force a local district's teachers to go to work.
He can withhold funding if they don’t.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 09:20
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Light foot is standing up to the latest demands from the Union. Still not sure why union teachers don’t have to work when people who are exposed to kids daily from the lowliest daycare workers to pediatric heat surgeons can be exposed to kids.
Can someone explain.
I would like Biden, aka "the union guy" to have a few harsh words for the Chicago Teacher's union.
No kidding! And take away their salaries!!
Where’s a freaking mandate when you need one??! The right to education is a right that we all have. The teachers can quit if they don’t like their working conditions. And make sure they can never be hired again in the public school system in this country. Biden needs to shut up about vaccine mandates when he knows they’re illegal anyway and start talking about mandating teachers to be in the classrooms and do their jobs. He actually has the authority to do that and it will do a lot more good.
Lol, the President of the United States does not have the power to force a local district's teachers to go to work.
He seems to think he has a lot of powers he doesn't have.... not having the power hasn't stopped him in the past.
I guarantee you if he came out strong against the union's decision it would make a difference. But, he won't. They are some of his biggest donors.
This.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 08:21
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Light foot is standing up to the latest demands from the Union. Still not sure why union teachers don’t have to work when people who are exposed to kids daily from the lowliest daycare workers to pediatric heat surgeons can be exposed to kids.
Can someone explain.
I would like Biden, aka "the union guy" to have a few harsh words for the Chicago Teacher's union.
No kidding! And take away their salaries!!
Where’s a freaking mandate when you need one??! The right to education is a right that we all have. The teachers can quit if they don’t like their working conditions. And make sure they can never be hired again in the public school system in this country. Biden needs to shut up about vaccine mandates when he knows they’re illegal anyway and start talking about mandating teachers to be in the classrooms and do their jobs. He actually has the authority to do that and it will do a lot more good.
Lol, the President of the United States does not have the power to force a local district's teachers to go to work.
He seems to think he has a lot of powers he doesn't have.... not having the power hasn't stopped him in the past.
I guarantee you if he came out strong against the union's decision it would make a difference. But, he won't. They are some of his biggest donors.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 08:17
Subject: CPS cancels school after CTU voted to only work remotely
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Light foot is standing up to the latest demands from the Union. Still not sure why union teachers don’t have to work when people who are exposed to kids daily from the lowliest daycare workers to pediatric heat surgeons can be exposed to kids.
Can someone explain.
I would like Biden, aka "the union guy" to have a few harsh words for the Chicago Teacher's union.
No kidding! And take away their salaries!!
Where’s a freaking mandate when you need one??! The right to education is a right that we all have. The teachers can quit if they don’t like their working conditions. And make sure they can never be hired again in the public school system in this country. Biden needs to shut up about vaccine mandates when he knows they’re illegal anyway and start talking about mandating teachers to be in the classrooms and do their jobs. He actually has the authority to do that and it will do a lot more good.
Lol, the President of the United States does not have the power to force a local district's teachers to go to work.