Anonymous
01/03/2022 16:03
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"So, no, I don't think these colleges really care about diversity or merit."
Every Ivy except Dartmouth has 50% or more non-White students. The same goes for Stanford, Duke, MIT, CalTech, etc. The facts belie your assumptions.
Because schools like caltech and MIT don't care about legacies, which is what that statement was regarding. This fact belies your ASSumption.
You mentioned two schools of the 12 I listed specifically, and of over 100 I mentioned in my 'etc.'. How does that make a point that's worth giving any value in making a decision?
Anonymous
01/03/2022 15:48
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP you should steer your child towards schools in California.
Why? Great schools and a great state but why?
Prop 209 in CA means universities can no longer look at race. This bumped up Asian Am. representation in the top univ., as expected. So,a few years later, the universities changed their admissions criteria to just take the top x% of each HS to make it more equitable.
Look at the Asian line. It actually did not go up.
So, this huge racial disadvantage you perceive was not revealed by a change in the policy.
The chart is the admissions rate, not the number of admitted, or the balance of Asians as a percentage of the overall student population. The relative movement is what's meaningful for this graph, What we see is that overall, AA, AI, and Latino admissions rates went down, white admissions held steady, and Asian American admissions went up. There is a pronounced downward trend for Berkeley for all groups, meaning Berkeley got more selective overall, but the slope of Asian American is the flattest. These graphs combine to show that Asian Americans were the fictims of racial discrimination under Affirmative Action. Very clearly.
PP here who posted the graph. Thank you for writing up the data analysis. The subheadline on the chart clearly states "admission rates". And a semi-intelligent person would realize that CA population has grown in 15 years, so more students are applying, while the number of seats aren't keeping up with the population growth; hence, the drop in admissions RATE across the demographics.
I didn't realize that some educated adults couldn't understand simple charts. Clearly some people lack that skill set. Maybe that person got into college via affirmative action.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 15:40
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP you should steer your child towards schools in California.
Why? Great schools and a great state but why?
Prop 209 in CA means universities can no longer look at race. This bumped up Asian Am. representation in the top univ., as expected. So,a few years later, the universities changed their admissions criteria to just take the top x% of each HS to make it more equitable.
Look at the Asian line. It actually did not go up.
So, this huge racial disadvantage you perceive was not revealed by a change in the policy.
The chart is the admissions rate, not the number of admitted, or the balance of Asians as a percentage of the overall student population. The relative movement is what's meaningful for this graph, What we see is that overall, AA, AI, and Latino admissions rates went down, white admissions held steady, and Asian American admissions went up. There is a pronounced downward trend for Berkeley for all groups, meaning Berkeley got more selective overall, but the slope of Asian American is the flattest. These graphs combine to show that Asian Americans were the fictims of racial discrimination under Affirmative Action. Very clearly.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 15:29
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Once Asian-Americans (both east Asian and south Asian) start rejecting colleges with anti-Asian bias and taking their talents/tuition$$ to colleges where their race isn’t a disadvantage, colleges will eventually stop taking them for granted.
+100
LOL, that's like saying blacks should just avoid the cities where they are subject to discrimination. That'll show them!
Anonymous
01/03/2022 14:54
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP you should steer your child towards schools in California.
Why? Great schools and a great state but why?
Prop 209 in CA means universities can no longer look at race. This bumped up Asian Am. representation in the top univ., as expected. So,a few years later, the universities changed their admissions criteria to just take the top x% of each HS to make it more equitable.
Look at the Asian line. It actually did not go up.
So, this huge racial disadvantage you perceive was not revealed by a change in the policy.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 14:54
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP you should steer your child towards schools in California.
Why? Great schools and a great state but why?
Prop 209 in CA means universities can no longer look at race. This bumped up Asian Am. representation in the top univ., as expected. So,a few years later, the universities changed their admissions criteria to just take the top x% of each HS to make it more equitable.
Look at the Asian line. It actually did not go up.
So, this huge racial disadvantage you perceive was not revealed by a change in the policy.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 14:47
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP you should steer your child towards schools in California.
Why? Great schools and a great state but why?
Prop 209 in CA means universities can no longer look at race. This bumped up Asian Am. representation in the top univ., as expected. So,a few years later, the universities changed their admissions criteria to just take the top x% of each HS to make it more equitable.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 14:39
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:"So, no, I don't think these colleges really care about diversity or merit."
Every Ivy except Dartmouth has 50% or more non-White students. The same goes for Stanford, Duke, MIT, CalTech, etc. The facts belie your assumptions.
Because schools like caltech and MIT don't care about legacies, which is what that statement was regarding. This fact belies your ASSumption.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 14:32
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
My kids have white-enough sounding names and mark either multiracial or white. I don’t feel any obligation to hobble them with some “one drop” rule. They’re as white as they are Asian.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 14:18
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Why not Multiracial, which is 100% true from your description.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 14:16
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Once Asian-Americans (both east Asian and south Asian) start rejecting colleges with anti-Asian bias and taking their talents/tuition$$ to colleges where their race isn’t a disadvantage, colleges will eventually stop taking them for granted.
So why don't the posters who are so worked up about this do just that? No one is stopping them...but I am not holding my breath.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 14:06
Subject: Re:Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP one thing to keep in mind is there are other places on the application that will reveal your student's ethnicity and race. My DC is also half white and half Indian. The applications ask where parents went to college. My DH went to college in India so DC had to put that on the application. Both parents' names are on the app - not just student's last name. My DC also wrote some of the shorter essays about experiences in India during childhood. Hell - I wouldn't be surprised if AOs google parents for whatever reason during the admissions process.
Anyway, I don't think it affected my DC's application as they were admitted to some very selective schools and is now attending a top 20 school.
Good luck to your DC. I think the most important thing is to let your DC show their true self on the applications and not try to be who they (or you) think the admissiosn folks want them to be.
DP. I get your point, but my kid would have none of those things true of their app. The only thing that suggests not totally white would be my first name, which doesn't sound white, but doesn't necessarily sound like any other race. My kid is not there yet and I don't know how I would advise her, but she looks completely White and her first and last names are "white sounding". Actually I'm not sure what the right thing to do is being that the "world" sees her as white
The right thing would be to mark her as white, so that a deserving Asian/mixed race kid gets in. Your kid is white, and I bet is barely in touch with her Asian heritage, as you seem ashamed of it.
Ok next tell us which Black people are black enough to check that box.
Anonymous
01/03/2022 13:16
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Anonymous wrote:Once Asian-Americans (both east Asian and south Asian) start rejecting colleges with anti-Asian bias and taking their talents/tuition$$ to colleges where their race isn’t a disadvantage, colleges will eventually stop taking them for granted.
+100
Anonymous
01/03/2022 11:27
Subject: Will being half-Asian work against my kids in top college acceptances?
Once Asian-Americans (both east Asian and south Asian) start rejecting colleges with anti-Asian bias and taking their talents/tuition$$ to colleges where their race isn’t a disadvantage, colleges will eventually stop taking them for granted.