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Anonymous wrote:This is op. I did not know what that calls in English, and I google up, and yes, I did "coining". I was worried and left a message for the regular pediatrician to tell her what has happened and what I did. My kid does not take any herbal medicine and broths that I boiled for hours. I have not got any call from CPS, and I have learned my lesson. But you know what, coining does help to improve better health.

Coining / 刮痧 is a lie and can harm a child. It has no basis in science or medicine and has never, in a controlled study, been shown to provide any benefit. It has been shown to cause harm.

Some doctors recommend cupping and acupuncture for some conditions and its pretty mainstream here. One could argue those have no benefit either. Acupuncture had no benefit to me but cupping did.

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Anonymous wrote:This is op. I did not know what that calls in English, and I google up, and yes, I did "coining". I was worried and left a message for the regular pediatrician to tell her what has happened and what I did. My kid does not take any herbal medicine and broths that I boiled for hours. I have not got any call from CPS, and I have learned my lesson. But you know what, coining does help to improve better health.

OP your pediatrician is a mandated reporter too. If the pediatrician disagrees with your cultural practices you will now have multiple people reporting you. You really need a lawyer. You can lose your kids this way.

OP is almost certainly not going to lose her kids over this one incident. CPS is loathe to remove kids from custody, well beyond the point when they should.

That said, OP, please don’t do this again. You can’t deliberately and repeatedly bruise your kids in this country, regardless of your personal cultural beliefs.

Its not done to deliberately bruise a child. Its to make them feel better. Its still not acceptable here.

OP, they have a specific time frame to contact you. If you don't hear from them in a few days, it was probably ruled out or not a big deal and eventually you might get a visit but its clearly not high priority. If it were a high priority, they'd be out there the same day/next day.

It’s a deliberate action that results in a bruise. Saying it’s done to “make them feel better” isn’t going to fly.

Even if CPS doesn’t follow up on this single incident, if OP keeps doing it, and CPS gets more reports, they may well think it’s worth a visit.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's OK and maybe it's not. The investigation will reveal. I'm personally very glad that someone is looking at it. So many "cultural" things happen to children that are most definitely not OK in this country. For example, stoning is cultural and some parents think its ok especially when girls misbehave, female circumcision is ok in some cultures, branding is ok in some cultures. None of those things are ok in a civilized world today. Just because it's been done in some cultures for a long time, doesn't make it ok here today.

When you go to Europe, they should call their CPS on you for having your son circumcised. It's not OK to mutilate babies in civilized society.

Who said anything about me getting my son circumcised (or that I even have a son). That practice is definitely on its way out in the Western world as well which I am glad about. The more you know.

Apparently, you don't know much and use your ignorance as an excuse to call other cultural practices barbaric.

I really fail to see your point? It's ok to continue these practices because they've been done for centuries and "culture." Perhaps think through your arguments before calling other people ignorant.

Agreed. You know what is also done culturally in morth Africa? Female genital mutilation and you better believe that's illegal in the US.

Can you stick to the topic. This isn't anything like female mutilation or anything. Its really not that different from accupunture or cupping in some countries but we have a different standard of acceptable here. This isn't life long scaring of a child. If done right, it isn't barbaric or any big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:This is op. I did not know what that calls in English, and I google up, and yes, I did "coining". I was worried and left a message for the regular pediatrician to tell her what has happened and what I did. My kid does not take any herbal medicine and broths that I boiled for hours. I have not got any call from CPS, and I have learned my lesson. But you know what, coining does help to improve better health.

OP your pediatrician is a mandated reporter too. If the pediatrician disagrees with your cultural practices you will now have multiple people reporting you. You really need a lawyer. You can lose your kids this way.

OP is almost certainly not going to lose her kids over this one incident. CPS is loathe to remove kids from custody, well beyond the point when they should.

That said, OP, please don’t do this again. You can’t deliberately and repeatedly bruise your kids in this country, regardless of your personal cultural beliefs.

Its not done to deliberately bruise a child. Its to make them feel better. Its still not acceptable here.

OP, they have a specific time frame to contact you. If you don't hear from them in a few days, it was probably ruled out or not a big deal and eventually you might get a visit but its clearly not high priority. If it were a high priority, they'd be out there the same day/next day.

Those posts aren't exactly what its always looks like. I can be just a round circle on the back. Its a very common practice in some parts of Asia.

OP, I have dealt with it as a child welfare worker. Just be honest with the worker and let them know why you did it, you didn't realize it was an issue in the US, you called the doctor to look at it (and take your child if recommended), apologize and just answer their questions honestly. It was an appropriate thing to report but most likely it will not escalate into anything. Just know its not an acceptable cultural practice here (which you didn't know) and just say that to them. Most of these posters have no idea what it is or why its done. They don't get its really not considered any different then acupuncture in some cultures but the leaving bruises in a child is an issue. I used to do a lot of cupping and would get questioned at work as people didn't know what it was so they assumed my spouse was abusive. And, don't assume the worker knows what it is as many would not.

Anonymous wrote:This is what coining looks like. There is no scientific basis for its use, certainly not on a child.

It doesn’t usually look like this, especially not if it’s done regularly. It depends how much metabolic waste is stuck in there.

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Anonymous wrote:This is op. I did not know what that calls in English, and I google up, and yes, I did "coining". I was worried and left a message for the regular pediatrician to tell her what has happened and what I did. My kid does not take any herbal medicine and broths that I boiled for hours. I have not got any call from CPS, and I have learned my lesson. But you know what, coining does help to improve better health.

OP your pediatrician is a mandated reporter too. If the pediatrician disagrees with your cultural practices you will now have multiple people reporting you. You really need a lawyer. You can lose your kids this way.

OP is almost certainly not going to lose her kids over this one incident. CPS is loathe to remove kids from custody, well beyond the point when they should.

That said, OP, please don’t do this again. You can’t deliberately and repeatedly bruise your kids in this country, regardless of your personal cultural beliefs.

This is what coining looks like. There is no scientific basis for its use, certainly not on a child.

Anonymous wrote:This is op. I did not know what that calls in English, and I google up, and yes, I did "coining". I was worried and left a message for the regular pediatrician to tell her what has happened and what I did. My kid does not take any herbal medicine and broths that I boiled for hours. I have not got any call from CPS, and I have learned my lesson. But you know what, coining does help to improve better health.

Coining / 刮痧 is a lie and can harm a child. It has no basis in science or medicine and has never, in a controlled study, been shown to provide any benefit. It has been shown to cause harm.

I’m Chinese and I would report this as a mandated reporter even though I’m familiar with the practice. That’s my duty under the law and this clearly falls under the type of bruise that has to be reported. I’m not losing my job and I understand that I’m not a social worker or investigator.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, if it was coming the daycare is still being ignorant and insensitive to culture.

No they are not. They are following the law.

The job of daycare is to report any marks on a child that fall in certain categories. The job of daycare is not to judge whether they hurt, whether they were part of an accepted medical procedure etc. That is the job of CPS.

+1. Absolutely this. As a mandated reporter, the daycare should not be making any judgments or decisions. Their responsibility is to report and let CPS exercise judgment.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's OK and maybe it's not. The investigation will reveal. I'm personally very glad that someone is looking at it. So many "cultural" things happen to children that are most definitely not OK in this country. For example, stoning is cultural and some parents think its ok especially when girls misbehave, female circumcision is ok in some cultures, branding is ok in some cultures. None of those things are ok in a civilized world today. Just because it's been done in some cultures for a long time, doesn't make it ok here today.

When you go to Europe, they should call their CPS on you for having your son circumcised. It's not OK to mutilate babies in civilized society.

Who said anything about me getting my son circumcised (or that I even have a son). That practice is definitely on its way out in the Western world as well which I am glad about. The more you know.

Apparently, you don't know much and use your ignorance as an excuse to call other cultural practices barbaric.

I really fail to see your point? It's ok to continue these practices because they've been done for centuries and "culture." Perhaps think through your arguments before calling other people ignorant.

Agreed. You know what is also done culturally in morth Africa? Female genital mutilation and you better believe that's illegal in the US.

Anonymous wrote:Oh, if it was coming the daycare is still being ignorant and insensitive to culture.

No they are not. They are following the law.

The job of daycare is to report any marks on a child that fall in certain categories. The job of daycare is not to judge whether they hurt, whether they were part of an accepted medical procedure etc. That is the job of CPS.

Anonymous wrote:This is op. I did not know what that calls in English, and I google up, and yes, I did "coining". I was worried and left a message for the regular pediatrician to tell her what has happened and what I did. My kid does not take any herbal medicine and broths that I boiled for hours. I have not got any call from CPS, and I have learned my lesson. But you know what, coining does help to improve better health.

OP your pediatrician is a mandated reporter too. If the pediatrician disagrees with your cultural practices you will now have multiple people reporting you. You really need a lawyer. You can lose your kids this way.

Just to be clear - OP abusive cultural practices are not allowed on the US. CPS will tell you this. You don't have the freedom to bruise your children. You will need a good lawyer.