Anonymous
11/13/2021 21:24
Subject: Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Europe is having a huge covid wave right now, and children can spread it. It will help for them to be vaccinated I’m the US and there is no real downside. The myocarditis side effects have been way overblown.
Anonymous
11/13/2021 21:23
Subject: Re:Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Anonymous
11/13/2021 19:14
Subject: Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Anonymous wrote:It’s still an emergency order correct? Which allowed it to be approved w caveats with only a 2000 kid study and only 6 months of longitudinal data, and a 25+ page liability waiver putting care of duty to the parental level, plus no one in the control group was ever getting sick so the data is statistically insignificant.
Basically it’s a bet.
A gamble that maybe it will help something sometime and not have any short term, medium term or long term negative effects. mRNA drug delivery system for pre-pubescent children.
USA is only country considering it. Other developed countries looked at the data and saw no reason for children to get innoculated- they were transmitting, they weren’t getting infected, and if they were they rarely got sick or had symptoms.
+1.
It makes sense for parents of children with comorbidities to make the decision to vaccinate, with input from their doctor. For every other healthy child, it should be optional and totally upto parent.
Anonymous
11/13/2021 18:48
Subject: Re:Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Anonymous wrote:I saw this link at another thread regarding AAP's decision: https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/17751?autologincheck=redirected
Also copying this from another thread:
Watch the FDA Advisory committee meeting where they recommended vaccines for ages 5-11. It is on Youtube. It is long, but you will learn something. The whole point of recommending this vaccine for ages 5-11 is the reason that benefit exceeds the risk for kids with very serious preexisting conditions. But at the end of the meeting, there is no question to the experts whether they approve it for a subgroup of kids or whether for all kids. They can vote Yes/No only for the question regarding whether this vaccine is recommended for ages 5-11. And the experts state that the reason they approve it is for those kids at risk, it is their personal benefit to get vaccinated. For the rest, FDA expert says they won't know whether they start vaccinating the whole population of kids. Well, it is a discussion with your doctor whether you want to vaccinate your child etc. But for the whole population of kids, school mandates just make no sense.
Are schools aware of the discussions during FDA meeting, do they know the discussions at AAP? Well, if they are just taking the result of the final vote from FDA advisory commitee, and then mandating the vaccine on that only, they are not following the science.
Yup, FDA only approved the use of the vax for kids, and heavily caveated how flimsy the study was and how statistically insignificant the data was given the control group never got ill.
Anonymous
11/13/2021 17:15
Subject: Re:Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
For those parents who want to work together with professionals and other parents to stop vaccine mandates for healthy children in public and private K-12, here is where you can sign up to join a unified effort nationwide:
https://unityprojectonline.com/
The project is led by ethics professor Prof. Aaron Kheriaty, at University of California Irvine.
You can also follow their channel on twitter: https://twitter.com/UnityProjectUSA
https://unityprojectonline.com/
The project is led by ethics professor Prof. Aaron Kheriaty, at University of California Irvine.
You can also follow their channel on twitter: https://twitter.com/UnityProjectUSA
Anonymous
11/13/2021 11:34
Subject: Re:Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
I think the schools can suggest it to families who have at-risk kids with preexisting conditions to have a discussion with their doctor and vaccinate if appropriate.
If schools recommend it for all children, that is even a more broad recommendation than what seemed was the FDA advisory committee was thinking.
I don't think it is appropriate for schools to recommend it for all kids at school, let alone mandate it.
If schools recommend it for all children, that is even a more broad recommendation than what seemed was the FDA advisory committee was thinking.
I don't think it is appropriate for schools to recommend it for all kids at school, let alone mandate it.
Anonymous
11/13/2021 11:23
Subject: Re:Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
I saw this link at another thread regarding AAP's decision: https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/17751?autologincheck=redirected
Also copying this from another thread:
Watch the FDA Advisory committee meeting where they recommended vaccines for ages 5-11. It is on Youtube. It is long, but you will learn something. The whole point of recommending this vaccine for ages 5-11 is the reason that benefit exceeds the risk for kids with very serious preexisting conditions. But at the end of the meeting, there is no question to the experts whether they approve it for a subgroup of kids or whether for all kids. They can vote Yes/No only for the question regarding whether this vaccine is recommended for ages 5-11. And the experts state that the reason they approve it is for those kids at risk, it is their personal benefit to get vaccinated. For the rest, FDA expert says they won't know whether they start vaccinating the whole population of kids. Well, it is a discussion with your doctor whether you want to vaccinate your child etc. But for the whole population of kids, school mandates just make no sense.
Are schools aware of the discussions during FDA meeting, do they know the discussions at AAP? Well, if they are just taking the result of the final vote from FDA advisory commitee, and then mandating the vaccine on that only, they are not following the science.
Also copying this from another thread:
Watch the FDA Advisory committee meeting where they recommended vaccines for ages 5-11. It is on Youtube. It is long, but you will learn something. The whole point of recommending this vaccine for ages 5-11 is the reason that benefit exceeds the risk for kids with very serious preexisting conditions. But at the end of the meeting, there is no question to the experts whether they approve it for a subgroup of kids or whether for all kids. They can vote Yes/No only for the question regarding whether this vaccine is recommended for ages 5-11. And the experts state that the reason they approve it is for those kids at risk, it is their personal benefit to get vaccinated. For the rest, FDA expert says they won't know whether they start vaccinating the whole population of kids. Well, it is a discussion with your doctor whether you want to vaccinate your child etc. But for the whole population of kids, school mandates just make no sense.
Are schools aware of the discussions during FDA meeting, do they know the discussions at AAP? Well, if they are just taking the result of the final vote from FDA advisory commitee, and then mandating the vaccine on that only, they are not following the science.
Anonymous
11/12/2021 19:59
Subject: Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
AAP says kids should get vaccinated.
Anonymous
11/12/2021 19:01
Subject: Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People are still getting COVID with the vaccines. I could understand if the vaccine prevented to onset of COVID but it doesn’t. And who knows what the long term side effects are. I don’t believe people should be forced to take the vaccine
Your argument is similar to saying that people shouldn't be forced to wear a seat belt or have an airbag in their car because they can still have an accident or suffer injuries in a car while using them. Vaccines, like seat belts, don't eliminate risk, they reduce risk and likely injury. Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to catch Covid than a vaccinated individual. (You can't spread covid if you don't catch it). The unvaccinated often have higher viral loads and they take longer to clear them from the system which means they are infectious for a longer period of time. They are at a dramatically higher risk of being hospitalized and straining the health care system.
Great! Now do this calculation for kids please. And also factor in the myocarditis risks.
Anonymous
11/12/2021 18:20
Subject: Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Anonymous wrote:People are still getting COVID with the vaccines. I could understand if the vaccine prevented to onset of COVID but it doesn’t. And who knows what the long term side effects are. I don’t believe people should be forced to take the vaccine
Your argument is similar to saying that people shouldn't be forced to wear a seat belt or have an airbag in their car because they can still have an accident or suffer injuries in a car while using them. Vaccines, like seat belts, don't eliminate risk, they reduce risk and likely injury. Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to catch Covid than a vaccinated individual. (You can't spread covid if you don't catch it). The unvaccinated often have higher viral loads and they take longer to clear them from the system which means they are infectious for a longer period of time. They are at a dramatically higher risk of being hospitalized and straining the health care system.
Anonymous
11/12/2021 17:39
Subject: Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
People are still getting COVID with the vaccines. I could understand if the vaccine prevented to onset of COVID but it doesn’t. And who knows what the long term side effects are. I don’t believe people should be forced to take the vaccine
Anonymous
11/12/2021 17:33
Subject: Re:Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2021/11/12/1053891686/when-will-schools-end-mask-requirements
Thanks for posting.
Anonymous
11/12/2021 11:35
Subject: Re:Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Anonymous
11/12/2021 10:25
Subject: Re:Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The challenge with not following protocols for unvaccinated individuals in the school is if one of them gets severely ill or dies the school gets hit with a wrongful death suit for negligence. They're not going to expose their institutions to that even if the likelihood is incredibly low.
Yes, I believe this is what the schools are afraid of. It’s the rhetoric that’s out there. But how could you ever prove where you caught the cold?
Until schools care more about the kids than lawsuits things won’t change.
Or until people start suing for the damages caused by mandating masks. This would be easier to prove.
Yes, schools should be sued for mandating masks outside. That is a guaranteed win for whoever is suing.
"damages" okay.
Risk/benefit calculation does not support masks outside. Period. Kids need to be able to play with peers with full socialization. Masking kids outdoors who are under 7, or say 10, is seriously a crime.
Masks indoors is another topic. During times of high transmission it makes sense.
Anonymous
11/12/2021 10:19
Subject: Re:Is your DC private mandating Covid Vaccine for 5-11, or recommending?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The challenge with not following protocols for unvaccinated individuals in the school is if one of them gets severely ill or dies the school gets hit with a wrongful death suit for negligence. They're not going to expose their institutions to that even if the likelihood is incredibly low.
Yes, I believe this is what the schools are afraid of. It’s the rhetoric that’s out there. But how could you ever prove where you caught the cold?
Until schools care more about the kids than lawsuits things won’t change.
Or until people start suing for the damages caused by mandating masks. This would be easier to prove.
Yes, schools should be sued for mandating masks outside. That is a guaranteed win for whoever is suing.
"damages" okay.