If you are White, you can't be anti racist. You are always racist due to inherent privilege and systemic racism. It can't be undone.

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Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

For years parents complained teachers taught to the test. Please show me where in the SOLs there is any mention of CRT or “anti-racism.’l

And stop with the nonsense that anti-racism is in fact racism. That’s some Orwellian doublespeak right there. I am fully cognizant of the fascist impulses of right-wingers, but keep that stuff out of our schools. The irony here is palpable.

OMG, stop with this nonsense. You are in the minority with your way of thinking regarding the schools and that is why you lost. AGAIN, for the 1000th time, it does not matter whether CRT is referred to specifically anywhere. People see through what school boards thought was a sly angle to push the agenda regardless of what you call it. Have you not read these boards. These are not right-wingers upset with the school "stuff" being taught.

How should we talk about racism and biases?

What are the acceptable ways?

I would like math class to be about math and same for science, English, reading, spelling etc. I would like for elementary schools to pretty much focus on laying the groundwork for a solid education that the upper level schools can build on and not even lay so much of societies' issues on little kids. There is plenty of time for that. Teach the golden rule - treat others as you would like to be treated. Correct issues if and when they arise and use that as a teachable moment. I just do not think elementary kids need to be delving into societal issues just yet and sticking with straight up three Rs is a better approach to a well-educated child. Let middle school introduce these concepts and high school continue to encourage kids to really debate the issues and not just get a one-sided teachers' union/NEA agenda shoved down their throats.

So you think there should be no discussion about racism or biases in ES. Even for the teachers?

What about MS/HS?

Nope. How about teaching the little kids to just be nice to each other, help others and teach what being a good friend means ? That really sort of takes care of the issue for that age group. I addressed middle and high school. Why can't the base for further discussion be laid in a positive way? IMO, kids will be more likely to recognize and stand up against racism when the groundwork is positive and about being kind to everyone than making people feel bad and pointing out the differences in people from the time they are little. As they get older, then more examples and debate can take place.

I meant should the teachers (adults) get anti-bias training for themselves. Not something they would “teach” to kids. Anti-bias training has been around forever. When did that get controversial?

What does it mean to teach about racism “positively”?

What age would be appropriate for reading Kendi and other modern civil rights advocates?

This is not something to be taught by public schools. Why is it part of the curriculum? It’s just as bad as teaching about the writings of white nationalists. Why is one allowed and one not? Both should be out of our public school system. They can be explored in college.

So you don't think kids should learn about current events?

And you are equating people pushing for equal rights with white nationalists?

As Kendi said, the only remedy for past discrimination is present and future discrimination. For example, If schools taught, directly and indirectly that whites are superior in every way and black people are unworthy of humanity much less freedom—and I think we can all agree that’s true—we fix that by teaching the reverse now.

Not a problem to people who are ACTUALLY antiracist and not just pretending.

If you are White, you can't be anti racist. You are always racist due to inherent privilege and systemic racism. It can't be undone.

It’s all so ridiculous. FWIW, I’m not White, but Kendi spews such BS. Absolutely ridiculous that kids would be studying his garbage in middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

For years parents complained teachers taught to the test. Please show me where in the SOLs there is any mention of CRT or “anti-racism.’l

And stop with the nonsense that anti-racism is in fact racism. That’s some Orwellian doublespeak right there. I am fully cognizant of the fascist impulses of right-wingers, but keep that stuff out of our schools. The irony here is palpable.

OMG, stop with this nonsense. You are in the minority with your way of thinking regarding the schools and that is why you lost. AGAIN, for the 1000th time, it does not matter whether CRT is referred to specifically anywhere. People see through what school boards thought was a sly angle to push the agenda regardless of what you call it. Have you not read these boards. These are not right-wingers upset with the school "stuff" being taught.

How should we talk about racism and biases?

What are the acceptable ways?

I would like math class to be about math and same for science, English, reading, spelling etc. I would like for elementary schools to pretty much focus on laying the groundwork for a solid education that the upper level schools can build on and not even lay so much of societies' issues on little kids. There is plenty of time for that. Teach the golden rule - treat others as you would like to be treated. Correct issues if and when they arise and use that as a teachable moment. I just do not think elementary kids need to be delving into societal issues just yet and sticking with straight up three Rs is a better approach to a well-educated child. Let middle school introduce these concepts and high school continue to encourage kids to really debate the issues and not just get a one-sided teachers' union/NEA agenda shoved down their throats.

So you think there should be no discussion about racism or biases in ES. Even for the teachers?

What about MS/HS?

Nope. How about teaching the little kids to just be nice to each other, help others and teach what being a good friend means ? That really sort of takes care of the issue for that age group. I addressed middle and high school. Why can't the base for further discussion be laid in a positive way? IMO, kids will be more likely to recognize and stand up against racism when the groundwork is positive and about being kind to everyone than making people feel bad and pointing out the differences in people from the time they are little. As they get older, then more examples and debate can take place.

I meant should the teachers (adults) get anti-bias training for themselves. Not something they would “teach” to kids. Anti-bias training has been around forever. When did that get controversial?

What does it mean to teach about racism “positively”?

What age would be appropriate for reading Kendi and other modern civil rights advocates?

This is not something to be taught by public schools. Why is it part of the curriculum? It’s just as bad as teaching about the writings of white nationalists. Why is one allowed and one not? Both should be out of our public school system. They can be explored in college.

So you don't think kids should learn about current events?

And you are equating people pushing for equal rights with white nationalists?

As Kendi said, the only remedy for past discrimination is present and future discrimination. For example, If schools taught, directly and indirectly that whites are superior in every way and black people are unworthy of humanity much less freedom—and I think we can all agree that’s true—we fix that by teaching the reverse now.

Not a problem to people who are ACTUALLY antiracist and not just pretending.

If you are White, you can't be anti racist. You are always racist due to inherent privilege and systemic racism. It can't be undone.

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Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

For years parents complained teachers taught to the test. Please show me where in the SOLs there is any mention of CRT or “anti-racism.’l

And stop with the nonsense that anti-racism is in fact racism. That’s some Orwellian doublespeak right there. I am fully cognizant of the fascist impulses of right-wingers, but keep that stuff out of our schools. The irony here is palpable.

OMG, stop with this nonsense. You are in the minority with your way of thinking regarding the schools and that is why you lost. AGAIN, for the 1000th time, it does not matter whether CRT is referred to specifically anywhere. People see through what school boards thought was a sly angle to push the agenda regardless of what you call it. Have you not read these boards. These are not right-wingers upset with the school "stuff" being taught.

How should we talk about racism and biases?

What are the acceptable ways?

I would like math class to be about math and same for science, English, reading, spelling etc. I would like for elementary schools to pretty much focus on laying the groundwork for a solid education that the upper level schools can build on and not even lay so much of societies' issues on little kids. There is plenty of time for that. Teach the golden rule - treat others as you would like to be treated. Correct issues if and when they arise and use that as a teachable moment. I just do not think elementary kids need to be delving into societal issues just yet and sticking with straight up three Rs is a better approach to a well-educated child. Let middle school introduce these concepts and high school continue to encourage kids to really debate the issues and not just get a one-sided teachers' union/NEA agenda shoved down their throats.

So you think there should be no discussion about racism or biases in ES. Even for the teachers?

What about MS/HS?

Nope. How about teaching the little kids to just be nice to each other, help others and teach what being a good friend means ? That really sort of takes care of the issue for that age group. I addressed middle and high school. Why can't the base for further discussion be laid in a positive way? IMO, kids will be more likely to recognize and stand up against racism when the groundwork is positive and about being kind to everyone than making people feel bad and pointing out the differences in people from the time they are little. As they get older, then more examples and debate can take place.

I meant should the teachers (adults) get anti-bias training for themselves. Not something they would “teach” to kids. Anti-bias training has been around forever. When did that get controversial?

What does it mean to teach about racism “positively”?

What age would be appropriate for reading Kendi and other modern civil rights advocates?

This is not something to be taught by public schools. Why is it part of the curriculum? It’s just as bad as teaching about the writings of white nationalists. Why is one allowed and one not? Both should be out of our public school system. They can be explored in college.

So you don't think kids should learn about current events?

And you are equating people pushing for equal rights with white nationalists?

As Kendi said, the only remedy for past discrimination is present and future discrimination. For example, If schools taught, directly and indirectly that whites are superior in every way and black people are unworthy of humanity much less freedom—and I think we can all agree that’s true—we fix that by teaching the reverse now.

Not a problem to people who are ACTUALLY antiracist and not just pretending.

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Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

For years parents complained teachers taught to the test. Please show me where in the SOLs there is any mention of CRT or “anti-racism.’l

And stop with the nonsense that anti-racism is in fact racism. That’s some Orwellian doublespeak right there. I am fully cognizant of the fascist impulses of right-wingers, but keep that stuff out of our schools. The irony here is palpable.

OMG, stop with this nonsense. You are in the minority with your way of thinking regarding the schools and that is why you lost. AGAIN, for the 1000th time, it does not matter whether CRT is referred to specifically anywhere. People see through what school boards thought was a sly angle to push the agenda regardless of what you call it. Have you not read these boards. These are not right-wingers upset with the school "stuff" being taught.

How should we talk about racism and biases?

What are the acceptable ways?

I would like math class to be about math and same for science, English, reading, spelling etc. I would like for elementary schools to pretty much focus on laying the groundwork for a solid education that the upper level schools can build on and not even lay so much of societies' issues on little kids. There is plenty of time for that. Teach the golden rule - treat others as you would like to be treated. Correct issues if and when they arise and use that as a teachable moment. I just do not think elementary kids need to be delving into societal issues just yet and sticking with straight up three Rs is a better approach to a well-educated child. Let middle school introduce these concepts and high school continue to encourage kids to really debate the issues and not just get a one-sided teachers' union/NEA agenda shoved down their throats.

So you think there should be no discussion about racism or biases in ES. Even for the teachers?

What about MS/HS?

Nope. How about teaching the little kids to just be nice to each other, help others and teach what being a good friend means ? That really sort of takes care of the issue for that age group. I addressed middle and high school. Why can't the base for further discussion be laid in a positive way? IMO, kids will be more likely to recognize and stand up against racism when the groundwork is positive and about being kind to everyone than making people feel bad and pointing out the differences in people from the time they are little. As they get older, then more examples and debate can take place.

I meant should the teachers (adults) get anti-bias training for themselves. Not something they would “teach” to kids. Anti-bias training has been around forever. When did that get controversial?

What does it mean to teach about racism “positively”?

What age would be appropriate for reading Kendi and other modern civil rights advocates?

This is not something to be taught by public schools. Why is it part of the curriculum? It’s just as bad as teaching about the writings of white nationalists. Why is one allowed and one not? Both should be out of our public school system. They can be explored in college.

So you don't think kids should learn about current events?

And you are equating people pushing for equal rights with white nationalists?

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The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

I feel like this line of argument confuses a lot of things, and they are worth untangling.

Stamped from the Beginning and the YA version Stamped are not inherently anti-racist books. They are history books, written from the perspective of significant figures in American history who were either BIPOC or whose actions had an impact on the history of racism, civil rights, etc. If you think about historical events, they were going to be experienced differently depending on where you "sit" in society. So encouraging kids to look at historical figures outside Washington, Jefferson, etc. has the potential to make history more interesting and to give a fuller perspective.

But people drag a bunch of other stuff from Dr. Kendi into the discussion that have nothing to do with Stamped, like his autobiography where he talks about his journey from trying to conform to white norms, to embracing Black nationalism as an undergraduate, to moving away from Black nationalism as he realized that it was not productive. It's a book written for adults, about his journey.

THEN, you have random stuff he says on Twitter.

But if you focus on what Virginia schools actually teach from Dr. Kendi, there's nothing there that folks should object to. It's just another way of looking at history but with different historical figures at the center.

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Anonymous wrote:He supports Trump, and the big lie, but distanced himself from it. He made up some CRT bullshit that isn’t real to scare white women. That it worked makes the lies successful, but he still clawed his way into office without a primary, without any real policy issues, and by telling lies. Hard to feel good about that.

Im ok with switching parties in leadership from time to time, but id rather it not be a Trump Republican. I just can’t trust people willing to tear down faith in democracy and politicizing a pandemic. Their just isn’t anything beneath people like that.

The fight against CRT in K-12 has been going on for about a two years. Only recently did it rear it's head in VA so Youngkin didn't make it up.

Forget about labels. Please articulate what specifically was being taught in VA classrooms that you think should stop.

Or is it the possibility that CRT may be taught in the future, as other posters have said?

The most common way CRT is showing up in K-12 is the teaching of anti-racism which is more often than not, racism. And the most common way anti-racism it taught it with books like Stamped by Kendi. Kendi advocates for discrimination against whites and attempts to indoctrinate kids with this belief in his book. His coauthor admitted this in an interview with Trevor Noah last year.

So now we are calling anti-racism “CRT”? Along with anti-bias training (from another post)? These have been around for a while now - why the new label?

Can you provide examples of how Kendi advocates for “discrimination against whites”? Because that’s different than “antiracist discrimination”.

How should we talk about racism and biases? What are the acceptable ways?

There are a lot and I don't have the time right now to look them up. Will later. But one was that white parents should not be adopting black children and are racist to do so. My cousin has two adopted black children that he loves and takes care of way better than their birth parents would have and I was quite taken aback by this comment. Basically Kendi doesn't like being a minority in the US and wants to tell everyone in the US who is in a majority (wouldn't be surprised if he went after Hispanics soon too) that they are subjugating black people regardless of what they do. Not every interaction between whites and blacks is racist, but Kendi doesn't see life this way.

Citation for the adoption reference?

That’s not what he’s saying here.
I’m challenging the idea that White parents of kids of color are inherently “not racist” and the bots completely change what I’m saying to “White parents of kids of color are inherently racist.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrIbram/status/1309926239407398913

He sees racism in too many things. He wants society to focus on racism to the detriment of everything else. Excuse bad black behavior and blame every ill that befalls a black person on someone other than themselves. I get that he's saying that people can adopt a black person and still be racist, but he's as racist as they come so you can be black and racist too. So what? He was basically saying that white people shouldn't think they are helping the black community by adopting. What is really behind that is that he's afraid blacks will integrate too much with whites. It has nothing to do with their behavior and everything to do with his anti integration agenda. And in my world, if you adopt a poor black child and love them and care for them and don't commit a crime against blacks you are anti-racist enough to exist without my focus on your behavior as a potential racist. It's like he thinks he can police everyone's thoughts and actions and categorize them into a racist thought or an unracist thought and it's a project of how HIS mind works. For most of us, our thoughts are way more complex.

That is actually something he has talked about. He thinks it boils down to a bunch of choices we all make. Some of those choices can be racist (as he has made himself) and some can be anti-racist (such as adopting a black child). He’s saying do you best for as many choices as you can. “And, over time, make more and more anti-racist choices.“.

He’s saying that just because someone adopts a black child that doesn’t automatically make all of their other choices anti-racist. Basically, it’s complicated and hard but we should keep trying.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/23/927100641/racism-is-death-anti-racism-is-life-says-author-ibram-kendi

And some of them do not have race as a top priority either way. But he sees choices as being one or the other. It's a projection of his own binary thoughts.

Of course, not every single decision you make is racist/anti-racist. The decision of which salad dressing I chose for lunch wasn't a major racist/antiracist thought process. But there are choices that do matter. His point was be aware & thoughtful about those choices and do your best.