Anonymous
10/24/2021 15:29
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chicago boosters are so insecure that one 8-page long thread simply calling out its boosterism disappeared all of a sudden from DCUM... I wonder why?
UChicago is definitely tops at having the most insecure alums on DCUM, followed closely by Northwestern, JHU, and Duke, based on recent posts I've seen on this forum.
I've not met any insecure Ivy or stanford/mit alums or parents on this forum, which by itself speaks volumes.
Columbia alums are the most insecure
Columbia and UChicago are tied.
Agree Columbia and Chicago alums are the most insecure..especially w their paltry endowments
Anonymous
10/24/2021 15:17
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chicago boosters are so insecure that one 8-page long thread simply calling out its boosterism disappeared all of a sudden from DCUM... I wonder why?
UChicago is definitely tops at having the most insecure alums on DCUM, followed closely by Northwestern, JHU, and Duke, based on recent posts I've seen on this forum.
I've not met any insecure Ivy or stanford/mit alums or parents on this forum, which by itself speaks volumes.
Columbia alums are the most insecure
Columbia and UChicago are tied.
Here comes the Columbia hater again under a University of Chicago discussion thread! I wonder which prestigious institution you, or your children went to?
Anonymous
10/24/2021 15:10
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chicago boosters are so insecure that one 8-page long thread simply calling out its boosterism disappeared all of a sudden from DCUM... I wonder why?
UChicago is definitely tops at having the most insecure alums on DCUM, followed closely by Northwestern, JHU, and Duke, based on recent posts I've seen on this forum.
I've not met any insecure Ivy or stanford/mit alums or parents on this forum, which by itself speaks volumes.
Columbia alums are the most insecure
Columbia and UChicago are tied.
Are you still salty from your rejection from Columbia SGS?
Anonymous
10/24/2021 15:10
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm no Chicago booster but Parchment "data" is junk. For one, all of these hypothetical cross-admits are most certainly 99 to 100%, not 62 to 71%:
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
+1. Find me one kid that turned down HYPS and MIT for UChicago.
or Columbia/Penn/Caltech for that matter. I doubt there will be that many, especially in DC.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 13:58
Subject: Re:Univ of Chicago
FWIW, My DH has taught at both Princeton and U of C in a social science. The students at both universities were obviously incredibly bright and diverse and interesting, but he described the Princeton students as leaning towards the ‘future investment banker’ end of the spectrum. A lot more button down and polo shirts, and a lot more students who went to East Coast boarding schools. The Main Line is well represented. Plenty who don’t fit that mold, though.
The U of C students are harder to typecast and more typically want to be academics, but it’s harder to identify a consistent ‘type.’ A surprising number of his undergrads have done crazy things like owned their own business or been an officer in the military (well, those would be masters students). There are some super nerdy kids too, but less than you might think.
The U of C students are harder to typecast and more typically want to be academics, but it’s harder to identify a consistent ‘type.’ A surprising number of his undergrads have done crazy things like owned their own business or been an officer in the military (well, those would be masters students). There are some super nerdy kids too, but less than you might think.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 13:51
Subject: Re:Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Wow. Op here. I did not expect this thread to go this way!
Thanks to the alumni and parents of students who responded.
Also appreciate those that said that they didn’t particularly like the city of Chicago - we will pay attention to see if the city would be good for her.
Those that discussed the ranking or prestige of the school - I am sure it’s an important factor to many. For my DD, I am fairly sure it has no bearing if the student body is made up of smart and dedicated kids. Plus, I am sure she will go to grad school (as will many kids). So why is the “prestige” of the undergrad school even relevant?
Again thanks to all. And good luck to everyone who is in the middle of the application process or starting the search. Wishing us all sanity.
You need to search past threads on this topic; they all go this way. There’s one person in particular who details every thread that mentions U of C. So, don’t read to much into that person’s incessant anti-Chicago posts. There’s plenty of measured and thoughtful critiques of U of C, but there’s a lot of crazy too and I think it’s mostly one person.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 13:48
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm no Chicago booster but Parchment "data" is junk. For one, all of these hypothetical cross-admits are most certainly 99 to 100%, not 62 to 71%:
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
+1. Find me one kid that turned down HYPS and MIT for UChicago.
Literally had lunch with one yesterday. Turned down Harvard for Chicago last year.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 13:43
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:I'm no Chicago booster but Parchment "data" is junk. For one, all of these hypothetical cross-admits are most certainly 99 to 100%, not 62 to 71%:
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
+1. Find me one kid that turned down HYPS and MIT for UChicago.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 12:48
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC at U Chicago here. Let me try to answer your original question.
The first years just took their first quarter midterms, and are bemoaning calculus at various levels and inquiry based learning (proofs) across the board. Chicago is unique in that college level calculus and three humanities sequences reading primary sources are required of ALL undergraduates. You cannot place out of math here, just place into higher levels of math. The philosophy of the school is that the college sits across all disciplines and you cannot graduate without learning significant ways of thinking in all areas. The kids are reporting 27 out of 40, 10 out of 40 on the midterms... by contrast I went to Harvard and did not have to take a single math course to get a summa degree in economics at graduation.
My DC also loves that the Chicago Principles exist and are supported by President ZImmer and Alivisatos, which support vigorous debate and free speech on campus. So loud external agitators can't shut down debate the way they can at other schools. I heard about grad students at Chicago agitating to get a professor who had beliefs they disliked fired, and the President shut that down asap by citing the principles and telling the grad students they were free to go elsewhere. This was something my DC wanted - his point "how can I study philosophy effectively if I am going to be told what to think"? David Axelrod founded the Institute of Politics at Chicago and "gasp" it is bipartisan and even invites conservative speakers!
Finally, at Chicago a kid needs to be a self starter and confident- there are hundreds of clubs, Greek Life, house events, and a career track you are introduced to immediately and most kids join multiple things. This is while you are thrown into the quarter system- add drop is by week three, then midterms are week 4-5, so there is no grace period. Midterms are occuring concurrent with Family Weekend, so kids are trying to see their families and still needing to submit papers by midnight Friday, Saturday, Monday... . But point of pride they are getting it done.
This is a snapshot, but hope it helps. It's the right fit for our family. I don't want to convince anyone of anything, just share what was important to us. Good luck to your daughter.
You don’t need to take calculus as part of the core at Chicago.
http://collegecatalog.uchicago.edu/thecollege/mathematicalsciencescore/
You do need to take calculus for economics at Harvard.
https://economics.harvard.edu/concentrating-economics
Yup. But I agree with this person’s subsequent post that the things that appeal to him/her about UChicago might not be appeal to others — and I would add that they don’t even appeal to others who appreciate UChicago. To me, the stuff pointed out in this post is inaccurate (e.g lots of insecure kids at UChicago, don’t have to be a self-starter — just able to deal with a relentless academic workload) or par of the course at any good Uni (reading primary sources, hundreds of clubs) or effed-up (scheduling parents weekend and midterms simultaneously, quarter system, exams where the medians are shockingly low (either you’re teaching or testing poorly if that happens when your class is full of smart, hardworking students), very short window to sort out courseload, Adm’s repressive posture toward dissent). What I as a parent liked about Chicago was faculty, resources (including funding for non-corporate internships), and focus on academics. My kid liked the idea of a cohort that all agreed (or signed on to a regime that demanded) that being educated meant your couldn’t just be a STEM person who knew nothing about politics or lit or history or arts, or an artist or soc sci or … that knew nothing about science. And DC appreciated the close relations developed with faculty from very early on as well as opportunities to TA. DC also loved the camaraderie/mutual assistance of classmates, the abundance of student-run coffee shops on campus, the Seminary Co-op bookstore, the ability to live off campus (and Hyde Park Produce), and DOC films.
These days, UChicago attracts and admits a bunch of different kinds of students for a lots of different reasons. Because faculty (and non-academic reputation) changes slowly, the school remains nerdier than the other elites. For demographic and institutional reasons, the current Administration is working hard (and largely successfully) to make the College look/feel/function more like HYPS. It’s a transitional moment, so both cultures co-exist right now. Our family was mostly attracted by the old. PP’s by the new.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 12:09
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chicago boosters are so insecure that one 8-page long thread simply calling out its boosterism disappeared all of a sudden from DCUM... I wonder why?
UChicago is definitely tops at having the most insecure alums on DCUM, followed closely by Northwestern, JHU, and Duke, based on recent posts I've seen on this forum.
I've not met any insecure Ivy or stanford/mit alums or parents on this forum, which by itself speaks volumes.
Columbia alums are the most insecure
Columbia and UChicago are tied.
Columbia has one of the best dining halls in the country. Their takeouts compare to some of the finest NYC restaurants. For this reason alone, Columbia people are pretty complacent.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 09:21
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chicago boosters are so insecure that one 8-page long thread simply calling out its boosterism disappeared all of a sudden from DCUM... I wonder why?
UChicago is definitely tops at having the most insecure alums on DCUM, followed closely by Northwestern, JHU, and Duke, based on recent posts I've seen on this forum.
I've not met any insecure Ivy or stanford/mit alums or parents on this forum, which by itself speaks volumes.
Columbia alums are the most insecure
Columbia and UChicago are tied.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 09:11
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:DC at U Chicago here. Let me try to answer your original question.
The first years just took their first quarter midterms, and are bemoaning calculus at various levels and inquiry based learning (proofs) across the board. Chicago is unique in that college level calculus and three humanities sequences reading primary sources are required of ALL undergraduates. You cannot place out of math here, just place into higher levels of math. The philosophy of the school is that the college sits across all disciplines and you cannot graduate without learning significant ways of thinking in all areas. The kids are reporting 27 out of 40, 10 out of 40 on the midterms... by contrast I went to Harvard and did not have to take a single math course to get a summa degree in economics at graduation.
My DC also loves that the Chicago Principles exist and are supported by President ZImmer and Alivisatos, which support vigorous debate and free speech on campus. So loud external agitators can't shut down debate the way they can at other schools. I heard about grad students at Chicago agitating to get a professor who had beliefs they disliked fired, and the President shut that down asap by citing the principles and telling the grad students they were free to go elsewhere. This was something my DC wanted - his point "how can I study philosophy effectively if I am going to be told what to think"? David Axelrod founded the Institute of Politics at Chicago and "gasp" it is bipartisan and even invites conservative speakers!
Finally, at Chicago a kid needs to be a self starter and confident- there are hundreds of clubs, Greek Life, house events, and a career track you are introduced to immediately and most kids join multiple things. This is while you are thrown into the quarter system- add drop is by week three, then midterms are week 4-5, so there is no grace period. Midterms are occuring concurrent with Family Weekend, so kids are trying to see their families and still needing to submit papers by midnight Friday, Saturday, Monday... . But point of pride they are getting it done.
This is a snapshot, but hope it helps. It's the right fit for our family. I don't want to convince anyone of anything, just share what was important to us. Good luck to your daughter.
You don’t need to take calculus as part of the core at Chicago.
http://collegecatalog.uchicago.edu/thecollege/mathematicalsciencescore/
You do need to take calculus for economics at Harvard.
https://economics.harvard.edu/concentrating-economics
Anonymous
10/24/2021 04:00
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chicago boosters are so insecure that one 8-page long thread simply calling out its boosterism disappeared all of a sudden from DCUM... I wonder why?
UChicago is definitely tops at having the most insecure alums on DCUM, followed closely by Northwestern, JHU, and Duke, based on recent posts I've seen on this forum.
I've not met any insecure Ivy or stanford/mit alums or parents on this forum, which by itself speaks volumes.
Columbia alums are the most insecure
Plenty of extremely insecure Penn and Dartmouth alums around, too
Examples? I have never seen or met any. It's always the midwestern folks who love to make a big fuss about everything, especially on DCUM.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 03:50
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chicago boosters are so insecure that one 8-page long thread simply calling out its boosterism disappeared all of a sudden from DCUM... I wonder why?
UChicago is definitely tops at having the most insecure alums on DCUM, followed closely by Northwestern, JHU, and Duke, based on recent posts I've seen on this forum.
I've not met any insecure Ivy or stanford/mit alums or parents on this forum, which by itself speaks volumes.
Columbia alums are the most insecure
Say whatever you want, but they are nowhere near the level of UChicago/Northwestern/Duke/JHU as exemplified on this forum. I don't recall the last time Columbia, or any ivy alums come out in droves tooting their horns. But for the latter schools it's almost a weekly, or daily thing.
Anonymous
10/24/2021 00:57
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chicago boosters are so insecure that one 8-page long thread simply calling out its boosterism disappeared all of a sudden from DCUM... I wonder why?
UChicago is definitely tops at having the most insecure alums on DCUM, followed closely by Northwestern, JHU, and Duke, based on recent posts I've seen on this forum.
I've not met any insecure Ivy or stanford/mit alums or parents on this forum, which by itself speaks volumes.
Columbia alums are the most insecure
Plenty of extremely insecure Penn and Dartmouth alums around, too