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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want a second team in Loudon? They already have Loudon itself and McLean right there too.

Because of the market, if Barca, VRSC, FCV were able to attract players it means that there is a market. Does it make sense? Pull the players of these teams together and they’d make a bigger pool than Loudoun and McLean.

It remains to be seen if VRSC can attract ECNL caliber players

ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players.

Then why brother trading BRYC for revolution?

If you believe ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players then it is obvious that the problem with BRYC is organizational. It becomes a viscous cycle. You either can't coach and develop the talent you select or you can't select the right talent. Being completely unsuccessful at moving the needle in a positive direction regarding results it then becomes impossible to attract outside talent. Organizationally they haven't been aggressive even though they are sinking. Where are the mergers, the partnerships that can bring in new players and coaches? Where are the outside coach hires that always come with their players?

FCV treats local clubs like they are on Tinder in order to keep talent coming in. McLean partnered with SYC. SYA and CYA merged. VDA is built exclusively on a partnership. Metro has partner clubs. Great Falls and Reston merged. What has BRYC done organizationally to improve itself?

VA Revolution on the other hand has been both bold and ruthless. The sad thing is BRYC was a storied club in the region and now it is just a shell of itself.

That bold and ruthless club has zero good teams. They have proven that they can purchase a property that no one else wants and nothing else.

Let's be super clear about this. VA Revolution the soccer club does not own Evergreen. They have a wealthy parent/coach who started a company call Revolution Investments. He and other investors, some of them also parents, used a registered agent service firm to hide their identities.

Your travel fees ... a percentage of that is going to pay back the Investors. That $295(!) per season rec fee that's double any other program in the area ... yeah, a big chunk is going to the Investors.

So any Revolution Investem- I mean soccer club parents out there, when your club claims to be a nonprofit you might want to ask to see the books for Revolution Investments, too. Let's see how much of a family it is when you ask that question.

You've been played. Much like the customers of Independent Solar Solutions (look it up).

It always amazes me how people believe non-profits should be free.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about Arlington? No one cares about Revolution. Go start your own thread.

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Anonymous wrote:On the girls side BRYC is not developing the talent they have. They only develop one top team which is a small group of players from u9-u11.

BN is responsible for overseeing so many kids in that age bracket that he doesn't care what happens to them when they get to u12 because he won't be coaching them after that. So they don't get the attention they need beyond the top level team.

The problem is that all the ECNL clubs in the area are pulling from 2x the size (at least) of brycs player pool. Bryc only draws from Fairfax and burke which are small potatoes compared to Loudon county (Loudon ecnl), Arlington county (Arlington ecnl), prince william county (pwsi+vsa)., Or union (McLean+SYC)

Bryc isn't getting players from Springfield any more because of Union, and it isn't getting players from the south anymore because of VDA. So in effect Bryc is walled in in terms of attracting talent from outside areas.

Bringing in FCV to rescue their ecnl teams is really their only way out to get on par with the other ecnl clubs. BRYC ecnl would do well in ecnl-R but are not ecnl material.

So 3 things have happened:

1)the other ecnl clubs either formed partnerships/mergers or they're big enough to self sustain (Arlington/Loudon)

2) BRYC's historical feeder areas are being cut off except for the Burke and Fairfax area which are small pockets anyway.

3) the coaching staff is used to having superior teams... Sure is Easy to coach when your players are better. When have Bryc coaches ever truly developed players? Never, just pulled large numbers from surrounding areas and picked the already talented kids to form teams.

Points one and two are fair. That last statement is hypocritical. McLean and other clubs pick off the best young players (SYC took one of the top boys players; the girls Gatorade player of the year switched clubs for her final season, the best U10G player in McLean pool came from BRYC etc) BRYC develops. Regardless BRYC still sees many players go onto the college ranks.

Anonymous wrote:On the girls side BRYC is not developing the talent they have. They only develop one top team which is a small group of players from u9-u11.

BN is responsible for overseeing so many kids in that age bracket that he doesn't care what happens to them when they get to u12 because he won't be coaching them after that. So they don't get the attention they need beyond the top level team.

The problem is that all the ECNL clubs in the area are pulling from 2x the size (at least) of brycs player pool. Bryc only draws from Fairfax and burke which are small potatoes compared to Loudon county (Loudon ecnl), Arlington county (Arlington ecnl), prince william county (pwsi+vsa)., Or union (McLean+SYC)

Bryc isn't getting players from Springfield any more because of Union, and it isn't getting players from the south anymore because of VDA. So in effect Bryc is walled in in terms of attracting talent from outside areas.

Bringing in FCV to rescue their ecnl teams is really their only way out to get on par with the other ecnl clubs. BRYC ecnl would do well in ecnl-R but are not ecnl material.

So 3 things have happened:

1)the other ecnl clubs either formed partnerships/mergers or they're big enough to self sustain (Arlington/Loudon)

2) BRYC's historical feeder areas are being cut off except for the Burke and Fairfax area which are small pockets anyway.

3) the coaching staff is used to having superior teams... Sure is Easy to coach when your players are better. When have Bryc coaches ever truly developed players? Never, just pulled large numbers from surrounding areas and picked the already talented kids to form teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want a second team in Loudon? They already have Loudon itself and McLean right there too.

Because of the market, if Barca, VRSC, FCV were able to attract players it means that there is a market. Does it make sense? Pull the players of these teams together and they’d make a bigger pool than Loudoun and McLean.

It remains to be seen if VRSC can attract ECNL caliber players

ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players.

Then why brother trading BRYC for revolution?

If you believe ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players then it is obvious that the problem with BRYC is organizational. It becomes a viscous cycle. You either can't coach and develop the talent you select or you can't select the right talent. Being completely unsuccessful at moving the needle in a positive direction regarding results it then becomes impossible to attract outside talent. Organizationally they haven't been aggressive even though they are sinking. Where are the mergers, the partnerships that can bring in new players and coaches? Where are the outside coach hires that always come with their players?

FCV treats local clubs like they are on Tinder in order to keep talent coming in. McLean partnered with SYC. SYA and CYA merged. VDA is built exclusively on a partnership. Metro has partner clubs. Great Falls and Reston merged. What has BRYC done organizationally to improve itself?

VA Revolution on the other hand has been both bold and ruthless. The sad thing is BRYC was a storied club in the region and now it is just a shell of itself.

That bold and ruthless club has zero good teams. They have proven that they can purchase a property that no one else wants and nothing else.

Let's be super clear about this. VA Revolution the soccer club does not own Evergreen. They have a wealthy parent/coach who started a company call Revolution Investments. He and other investors, some of them also parents, used a registered agent service firm to hide their identities.

Your travel fees ... a percentage of that is going to pay back the Investors. That $295(!) per season rec fee that's double any other program in the area ... yeah, a big chunk is going to the Investors.

So any Revolution Investem- I mean soccer club parents out there, when your club claims to be a nonprofit you might want to ask to see the books for Revolution Investments, too. Let's see how much of a family it is when you ask that question.

You've been played. Much like the customers of Independent Solar Solutions (look it up).

It always amazes me how people believe non-profits should be free.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want a second team in Loudon? They already have Loudon itself and McLean right there too.

Because of the market, if Barca, VRSC, FCV were able to attract players it means that there is a market. Does it make sense? Pull the players of these teams together and they’d make a bigger pool than Loudoun and McLean.

It remains to be seen if VRSC can attract ECNL caliber players

ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players.

Then why brother trading BRYC for revolution?

If you believe ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players then it is obvious that the problem with BRYC is organizational. It becomes a viscous cycle. You either can't coach and develop the talent you select or you can't select the right talent. Being completely unsuccessful at moving the needle in a positive direction regarding results it then becomes impossible to attract outside talent. Organizationally they haven't been aggressive even though they are sinking. Where are the mergers, the partnerships that can bring in new players and coaches? Where are the outside coach hires that always come with their players?

FCV treats local clubs like they are on Tinder in order to keep talent coming in. McLean partnered with SYC. SYA and CYA merged. VDA is built exclusively on a partnership. Metro has partner clubs. Great Falls and Reston merged. What has BRYC done organizationally to improve itself?

VA Revolution on the other hand has been both bold and ruthless. The sad thing is BRYC was a storied club in the region and now it is just a shell of itself.

That bold and ruthless club has zero good teams. They have proven that they can purchase a property that no one else wants and nothing else.

Let's be super clear about this. VA Revolution the soccer club does not own Evergreen. They have a wealthy parent/coach who started a company call Revolution Investments. He and other investors, some of them also parents, used a registered agent service firm to hide their identities.

Your travel fees ... a percentage of that is going to pay back the Investors. That $295(!) per season rec fee that's double any other program in the area ... yeah, a big chunk is going to the Investors.

So any Revolution Investem- I mean soccer club parents out there, when your club claims to be a nonprofit you might want to ask to see the books for Revolution Investments, too. Let's see how much of a family it is when you ask that question.

You've been played. Much like the customers of Independent Solar Solutions (look it up).

It always amazes me how people believe non-profits should be free.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want a second team in Loudon? They already have Loudon itself and McLean right there too.

Because of the market, if Barca, VRSC, FCV were able to attract players it means that there is a market. Does it make sense? Pull the players of these teams together and they’d make a bigger pool than Loudoun and McLean.

It remains to be seen if VRSC can attract ECNL caliber players

ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players.

Then why brother trading BRYC for revolution?

If you believe ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players then it is obvious that the problem with BRYC is organizational. It becomes a viscous cycle. You either can't coach and develop the talent you select or you can't select the right talent. Being completely unsuccessful at moving the needle in a positive direction regarding results it then becomes impossible to attract outside talent. Organizationally they haven't been aggressive even though they are sinking. Where are the mergers, the partnerships that can bring in new players and coaches? Where are the outside coach hires that always come with their players?

FCV treats local clubs like they are on Tinder in order to keep talent coming in. McLean partnered with SYC. SYA and CYA merged. VDA is built exclusively on a partnership. Metro has partner clubs. Great Falls and Reston merged. What has BRYC done organizationally to improve itself?

VA Revolution on the other hand has been both bold and ruthless. The sad thing is BRYC was a storied club in the region and now it is just a shell of itself.

That bold and ruthless club has zero good teams. They have proven that they can purchase a property that no one else wants and nothing else.

Let's be super clear about this. VA Revolution the soccer club does not own Evergreen. They have a wealthy parent/coach who started a company call Revolution Investments. He and other investors, some of them also parents, used a registered agent service firm to hide their identities.

Your travel fees ... a percentage of that is going to pay back the Investors. That $295(!) per season rec fee that's double any other program in the area ... yeah, a big chunk is going to the Investors.

So any Revolution Investem- I mean soccer club parents out there, when your club claims to be a nonprofit you might want to ask to see the books for Revolution Investments, too. Let's see how much of a family it is when you ask that question.

You've been played. Much like the customers of Independent Solar Solutions (look it up).

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Anonymous wrote:Is it related to the rumor about oscar leaving the club?

Haven't heard that - when/where is he going?

Nobody should traffic in rumors like this. Just trying to stir the pot. If it happens, it happens. Worry about it then. Otherwise you may be worrying about something that is false.

it's not just a rumor..... from what i hear

Well what do you hear? Clearly there are rumors. At this point I can't see how it hurts to actually provide the detail of where he's going instead of just the rumor that he's leaving.

ED resigns abruptly for greener pastures, his past experiences and education tells you he drawn to high profile roles. Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel. I'd be surprised if the ED spent a second thinking about Arlington soccer Asso. who? after he accepted his new role. Clearly he'd want to hit the ground running and make a statement. To do so it'd be wise to surround yourself with very qualified and highly regarded talent. Thats a very easy conversation and decision for Oscar to have. Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next. Also, with the younger boys teams not as strong as before, and the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director, limiting his income for the foreseeable future, made his decision a no decision. Details where probably worked out before the start of the fall season.

Wow. That will be a huge blow to Arlington but, if true, I agree they should have foreseen it when they turned down MLS Next.

Christ, he's the reason we even came back to Arlington. I will be so sad if this is true.

So where is he going?

The clues seem to be:

From one poster: "Word on the street someone's moving to the NW burbs where the trees are AlwaysGreen"

And from another: "Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel", and "Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next", and "the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director"

Complete overhaul of staff and personnel could be Herndon. "AlwaysGreen" seems to imply Evergreen Sports Complex which would be Barca. "A big local club" and MLS Next might imply Bethesda.

If we place our faith in the second poster, and assume the first is a red herring, this would fit if Bethesda has been overhauling staff and personnel recently. Have they?

The clues would imply that Oscar is heading to VA Revolution.

I don’t claim to know anything but I can see how VA Revolution certainly makes a whole lot of sense for both parties.

I don't. I'd be surprised if Oscar would want to coach at that level. I could see a sideways move to an MLS Next club, especially a big one like Bethesda. Or just possibly a move to an ECNL club where he could be in line to run the whole program - maybe Loudoun if that were a possibility there.

I could also see a move to a college program.

I can't see a move to VA revolution though, or Barca for that matter.

The point would be that they wouldn’t stay at that level. As a pp mentioned, his resume is damn impressive. If I’m VA Revolution and I recognize that he provides legitimacy to move into higher level leagues, provides an angle to pull a lot of kids from Barca’s player pool, and draws an influx of some high level players, and money is not an object (as seems to be the case with VRSC), why wouldn’t they make him an offer to make him the highest paid TD in the area?

His resume is impressive, but that doesn't mean MLSNext or ECNL will be eager to expand. Does he really want to drop down to coaching mediocre NCSL teams?

Exactly. Expansion, if it happens at all, doesn't happen quickly.

ECNL could just swap and not "expand". BRYC has been performing extremely poorly since joining ECNL. Moving from one ECNL club to another would simply be lateral unless a big check was involved.

MLS Next, who knows what their plans are but geographically Revolution could fit in.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want a second team in Loudon? They already have Loudon itself and McLean right there too.

Because of the market, if Barca, VRSC, FCV were able to attract players it means that there is a market. Does it make sense? Pull the players of these teams together and they’d make a bigger pool than Loudoun and McLean.

It remains to be seen if VRSC can attract ECNL caliber players

ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players.

Then why brother trading BRYC for revolution?

If you believe ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players then it is obvious that the problem with BRYC is organizational. It becomes a viscous cycle. You either can't coach and develop the talent you select or you can't select the right talent. Being completely unsuccessful at moving the needle in a positive direction regarding results it then becomes impossible to attract outside talent. Organizationally they haven't been aggressive even though they are sinking. Where are the mergers, the partnerships that can bring in new players and coaches? Where are the outside coach hires that always come with their players?

FCV treats local clubs like they are on Tinder in order to keep talent coming in. McLean partnered with SYC. SYA and CYA merged. VDA is built exclusively on a partnership. Metro has partner clubs. Great Falls and Reston merged. What has BRYC done organizationally to improve itself?

VA Revolution on the other hand has been both bold and ruthless. The sad thing is BRYC was a storied club in the region and now it is just a shell of itself.

That bold and ruthless club has zero good teams. They have proven that they can purchase a property that no one else wants and nothing else.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want a second team in Loudon? They already have Loudon itself and McLean right there too.

Because of the market, if Barca, VRSC, FCV were able to attract players it means that there is a market. Does it make sense? Pull the players of these teams together and they’d make a bigger pool than Loudoun and McLean.

It remains to be seen if VRSC can attract ECNL caliber players

ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players.

Then why brother trading BRYC for revolution?

If you believe ECNL clubs attract ECNL caliber players then it is obvious that the problem with BRYC is organizational. It becomes a viscous cycle. You either can't coach and develop the talent you select or you can't select the right talent. Being completely unsuccessful at moving the needle in a positive direction regarding results it then becomes impossible to attract outside talent. Organizationally they haven't been aggressive even though they are sinking. Where are the mergers, the partnerships that can bring in new players and coaches? Where are the outside coach hires that always come with their players?

FCV treats local clubs like they are on Tinder in order to keep talent coming in. McLean partnered with SYC. SYA and CYA merged. VDA is built exclusively on a partnership. Metro has partner clubs. Great Falls and Reston merged. What has BRYC done organizationally to improve itself?

VA Revolution on the other hand has been both bold and ruthless. The sad thing is BRYC was a storied club in the region and now it is just a shell of itself.

That bold and ruthless club has zero good teams. They have proven that they can purchase a property that no one else wants and nothing else.

That point was already covered regarding leagues accepting clubs based on performance and potential.

But lets look at it from another perspective. BRYC currently has 2 aging out teams ranked in the top ten in the state. Now another club that is younger than 5 years has three young teams currently ranked in the top ten in the state. Do you think that new club shows promise and should be considered for ECNL over BRYC?

No. For example, their top U9-U11B and U11G teams aren't even in the top NCSL groupings. Their top U12G team is bottom half of NCSL division 2, so not even in D1. Their top U13G team is mid-table in NCSL D1.

Why are you looking at girls soccer?

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Anonymous wrote:Another theory could be VRSC taking over or merging FCV. ?

What would FCV get out of that?

ECNL

How would merging with VRSC get FCV into ECNL when VRSC is barely competitive in NCSL?

Correct and that is the answer. VRSC has a lot of pros as you or PP previously listed, field, pools, $$ to be of interest to ECNL. All VRSC Is missing is competitive teams probably qualified coaches which FCV can provide. As PP mentioned with a new ED who would attract talent (boys?) the this could be a big deal. Remember this s a theory.