Anonymous wrote:We’re on Capitol Hill and while we don’t have airplane noise, there has been a huge uptick in circling helicopters. It was BAD this summer (they always seemed to be circling at like 11pm at night) but it’s recently calmed down.

Those circling helicopters are police responding to active crime.

We’re on Capitol Hill and while we don’t have airplane noise, there has been a huge uptick in circling helicopters. It was BAD this summer (they always seemed to be circling at like 11pm at night) but it’s recently calmed down.

Anonymous wrote:No need to move. An increasing number of us would not live under a flight path and have resisted the temptation to buy there. There is an increasing awareness of the associated science.

The guy in the article did everything he could and then sold up after reducing the sales price. There's a testimony and a video of what it's like in the article link.

The Potomac river is an approach from both upstream and down stream. Dulles rules out most of what is left of Fairfax and McLean. That's all leaving out military and helicopters. Good luck trying to avoid it.

No need to move. An increasing number of us would not live under a flight path and have resisted the temptation to buy there. There is an increasing awareness of the associated science.

The guy in the article did everything he could and then sold up after reducing the sales price. There's a testimony and a video of what it's like in the article link.

Nonstop construction, souped up cars and motorcycles and ATVs are more of a problem where I live downtown, as well as emergency vehicles. I dream of quiet days but also love the vibe of living in the city.

Anonymous wrote:Classic response. Ultrafines are very real
https://deohs.washington.edu/mov-up

Move. There are plenty of places you can go to be free of the effects of life.

Classic response. Ultrafines are very real
https://deohs.washington.edu/mov-up

Anonymous wrote:OP’s fears are not misplaced. The airplanes fly one every 60 seconds during the busy parts of the day. DCA is getting busier than IAD.

Airplane noise causes: hypertension, anxiety, cardiovascular disease etc (ref. BJM). Living under a flight path also means ultrafine particles causing: brain, heart, respiratory diseases; dementia; diabetes 2; and even shortening of life spans (ref. UofWA). Etc. Not fear-mongering, just fairly recent science.

Here’s a great presentation about NextGen:
http://hollywoodburbankairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/UproarLA-Task-Force.pdf
and an interview by an (until recently) Palisades citizen describing what it’s like: https://wamu.org/story/16/10/26/jet_noise_is_no_joke_for_residents_burned_by_report_on_airport_complaints/

Conspiracy theory much? You know chemtrails aren’t real, right? RIGHT?

OP’s fears are not misplaced. The airplanes fly one every 60 seconds during the busy parts of the day. DCA is getting busier than IAD.

Airplane noise causes: hypertension, anxiety, cardiovascular disease etc (ref. BJM). Living under a flight path also means ultrafine particles causing: brain, heart, respiratory diseases; dementia; diabetes 2; and even shortening of life spans (ref. UofWA). Etc. Not fear-mongering, just fairly recent science.

Here’s a great presentation about NextGen:
http://hollywoodburbankairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/UproarLA-Task-Force.pdf
and an interview by an (until recently) Palisades citizen describing what it’s like: https://wamu.org/story/16/10/26/jet_noise_is_no_joke_for_residents_burned_by_report_on_airport_complaints/

Move. Somebody will happily buy your house.

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Anonymous wrote:Airplane noise is not an issue anywhere in the city.

I lived in the Palisades for years and years, I know exactly what it's like in the "worst" part of DC for airplane noise, and if you actually think it's a serious problem you either need therapy for histrionic personality disorder or you need to go enroll in Professor Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters because you've got hearing previously unequaled in human history.

It’s in fact a very serious issue for those who aren’t hearing-impaired. Georgetown, Palisades, Glen Echo, and other neighborhoods near the river have been rendered uninhabitable by next gen and the constant helicopter noise. The noise keeps getting worse as flight paths move further inland and planes fly directly over these areas at low altitudes, every 3 minutes or so. And no one can reasonably fight the FAA, so the problem isn’t going anywhere.

Really? Nobody lives there now?

People live there. That doesn't make it good.

Exactly, people are trapped because they invested so much into their homes and they love their neighborhoods. Every one of you agonizes here about your housing choices (it's why you are on this forum in the first place) and you cannot understand the hard decisions people have to make who got trapped in this very unfortunate situation because of changes they couldn't have possibly anticipated? It's like these areas are getting purposely destroyed... I have no idea why they targeted these suburbs with these new regulations instead of dispersing air traffic into different directions to give people a friken break! Today I maybe had a whole hour without airline noise if you accumulate all the minutes. I was so grateful that the assholes who made this decision allowed us some 20 min of peace here and there. ONe time it was so bad for about 10 min the noise never subsided, it was one plane noise still there when another one starts coming and they fly all over in different directions. How these neighborhoods get all the new super pricey construction homes selling at all baffles me. But the RE is very hot here! I think people don't know.. I see most homes have windows closed and nobody hangs out on decks, could be the reason

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Anonymous wrote:VA Square area in Arlington is fine. Sometimes hear them taking off in the morning if they switch the takeoff direction, but that's the exception not the rule. Sometimes hear helicopter noise, but it's not frequent at all.

Agree, I live in the Cherrydale neighborhood in Arlington, and I rarely notice plane noise. Sometimes I do see planes in the air, but they are high enough that they make little noise on the ground.

Interestingly, I heard a plane overhead about 15 minutes ago (we have the windows open tonight) but haven't heard another since.

25 years ago, I lived on Lee Highway in Arlington near N. Adams street. We had lots of plane traffic there, although it seemed like they moved the flight paths around because we'd have days when we didn't hear them at all. It didn't bother me, but I was also in an apartment with no outdoor space, so it wasn't like I was sitting outside there.

I think planes fly over the river closer to DC, but then veer off inland when they fly further west, this veering off is what causes a lot of noise for people living in the burbs over which these planes constantly fly. It would be either parts of Mclean,or Glen Echo, potomac. depending on where planes go, they don't fly along the river far enough to avoid populated areas inside beltway!

In the Mount Vernon area, hardly ever hear plane noise, every once in awhile helicopter noise.

Anonymous wrote:VA Square area in Arlington is fine. Sometimes hear them taking off in the morning if they switch the takeoff direction, but that's the exception not the rule. Sometimes hear helicopter noise, but it's not frequent at all.

Agree, I live in the Cherrydale neighborhood in Arlington, and I rarely notice plane noise. Sometimes I do see planes in the air, but they are high enough that they make little noise on the ground.

Interestingly, I heard a plane overhead about 15 minutes ago (we have the windows open tonight) but haven't heard another since.

25 years ago, I lived on Lee Highway in Arlington near N. Adams street. We had lots of plane traffic there, although it seemed like they moved the flight paths around because we'd have days when we didn't hear them at all. It didn't bother me, but I was also in an apartment with no outdoor space, so it wasn't like I was sitting outside there.

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Anonymous wrote:Airplane noise is not an issue anywhere in the city.

I lived in the Palisades for years and years, I know exactly what it's like in the "worst" part of DC for airplane noise, and if you actually think it's a serious problem you either need therapy for histrionic personality disorder or you need to go enroll in Professor Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters because you've got hearing previously unequaled in human history.

It’s in fact a very serious issue for those who aren’t hearing-impaired. Georgetown, Palisades, Glen Echo, and other neighborhoods near the river have been rendered uninhabitable by next gen and the constant helicopter noise. The noise keeps getting worse as flight paths move further inland and planes fly directly over these areas at low altitudes, every 3 minutes or so. And no one can reasonably fight the FAA, so the problem isn’t going anywhere.

Really? Nobody lives there now?

People live there. That doesn't make it good.