Anonymous wrote:Just remember, 40% of the Commonwealth of Kentucky's budget comes from the Federal government.

That right there is reason to let the US default. Cut off the gravy train for those leeches.

Just remember, 40% of the Commonwealth of Kentucky's budget comes from the Federal government.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is filibustering against the Biden increase -- are you even paying attention to what's going on or do you just want to defend Saint Biden and ignore his earlier stand on debt limit increases?

BTW, if the Dems want to raise the limit by reconciliation, they can do so. They don't want to, though, because it will (1) use up one of their opportunities to use reconciliation and (2) they want to claim the increase was bipartisan.

Stop repeating the Dem talking points and start looking into the situation.

1)Yes, the GOP has actually filibustered three times already
2) This is not to cover a "Biden increae" - this is to cover the wild debt that the GOP ran up - 9 Trillion dollars - over the last 4 years.

Me thinks YOU are not paying attention give the lies or misunderstanding of what is happening and why.

I can’t tell if they’re not smart, are resistant to learning or know the truth and just enjoy repeating their GOP talking points.

The GOP and all those who abet them (the corporate media, the rank and file voters, Manchin and Sinema) are taking America down a path it has no need to go down.

Anonymous wrote:No one is filibustering against the Biden increase -- are you even paying attention to what's going on or do you just want to defend Saint Biden and ignore his earlier stand on debt limit increases?

BTW, if the Dems want to raise the limit by reconciliation, they can do so. They don't want to, though, because it will (1) use up one of their opportunities to use reconciliation and (2) they want to claim the increase was bipartisan.

Stop repeating the Dem talking points and start looking into the situation.

1)Yes, the GOP has actually filibustered three times already
2) This is not to cover a "Biden increae" - this is to cover the wild debt that the GOP ran up - 9 Trillion dollars - over the last 4 years.

Me thinks YOU are not paying attention give the lies or misunderstanding of what is happening and why.

Anonymous wrote:No one is filibustering against the Biden increase -- are you even paying attention to what's going on or do you just want to defend Saint Biden and ignore his earlier stand on debt limit increases?

Stop repeating the Dem talking points and start looking into the situation.

There are fifty Republican Senators filibustering against the “Biden increase,” which is actually necessary because of the spending they approved while they were in the majority. Where the hell have you been for a week? Maybe read the whole thread? And GTFOOH with your “talking points” criticism. Who exactly told you that Biden voted against the increase, which passed anyway and was never in danger of not passing, ONCE in thirty years?

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/26/business/economy/america-debt-limit-political-game.html

I guess you didn't look very hard. I didn't say Biden filibustered against the debt limit with Bush. I said he voted against it.

This. The GOP is telling the dems they want them to pass it themselves, but they keep filibustering to prevent them from doing it, for no apparent reason. The dems have voted against it, but they didn't filibuster for no reason.

Anonymous wrote:No one is filibustering against the Biden increase -- are you even paying attention to what's going on or do you just want to defend Saint Biden and ignore his earlier stand on debt limit increases?

BTW, if the Dems want to raise the limit by reconciliation, they can do so. They don't want to, though, because it will (1) use up one of their opportunities to use reconciliation and (2) they want to claim the increase was bipartisan.

Stop repeating the Dem talking points and start looking into the situation.

The GOP has filibustered the increase three times now, the latest of which was today.

No one is filibustering against the Biden increase -- are you even paying attention to what's going on or do you just want to defend Saint Biden and ignore his earlier stand on debt limit increases?

BTW, if the Dems want to raise the limit by reconciliation, they can do so. They don't want to, though, because it will (1) use up one of their opportunities to use reconciliation and (2) they want to claim the increase was bipartisan.

Stop repeating the Dem talking points and start looking into the situation.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/26/business/economy/america-debt-limit-political-game.html

I guess you didn't look very hard. I didn't say Biden filibustered against the debt limit with Bush. I said he voted against it.

So, it wasn’t a filibuster, so it’s not comparable. And you said he was “very vocal” against it. Evidence?

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Anonymous wrote:This is going to end with Manchin and Sinema being forced to nuke the filibuster, possibly after a 30% drop in the Dow.

Won't happen. Democrats won't let the US default. They'll raise the debt ceiling by themselves. They're the party in power and will get the blame.

I honestly think it would be better for Dems to eliminate the filibuster for the debt ceiling and all budget bills. It would make the idea of only being able to use reconciliation twice a year obsolete. Whatever party is in power can pass whatever financials they want. Yes, maybe spending will flow more freely, but there will also be a clearer political responsibility for who spent that money and what the effect was on the economy and people’s lives.

The last 20 years have been dysfunctional financially - budget bills don’t get passed, we constantly have these damaging debt ceiling fights and government shut downs.

I say gut the filibuster for budget and debt ceiling bills.

You can't unring spending and entitlements. That's what the Democrats are banking on. A permanent class of voters who they can scare into voting Democrat by claiming the GOP will take away those entitlements. The whole push grandma off the cliff.

Social programs are unrung consistently or at least retuned to the right as soon as Republicans are in charge. Follow the money. Most of the funds have been routed to states and red state Governors launder all the federal benefits through their cronies and Republican patronage network. Read the recent WaPo article about rental assistance in Mississippi. The law firm with the no bid contract is taking all the money to review/sit on applications that never get approved while the renters are evicted. Medicaid in red states has turned into a windfall for nursing home owners and investors. Housing programs are subsidies, financing, and tax breaks for connected developers. Even disaster programs are diverted away from the disaster victims. Texas sent the federal disaster mitigation money to all the white suburban and exurban counties around Houston but none to the city.

Meanwhile, the irresponsible bells that can’t be unrung are the tax cuts. “Moderate” Democrats are always chickenshit to rescind Republican tax cuts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/26/business/economy/america-debt-limit-political-game.html

I guess you didn't look very hard. I didn't say Biden filibustered against the debt limit with Bush. I said he voted against it.

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Anonymous wrote:This is going to end with Manchin and Sinema being forced to nuke the filibuster, possibly after a 30% drop in the Dow.

Won't happen. Democrats won't let the US default. They'll raise the debt ceiling by themselves. They're the party in power and will get the blame.

I honestly think it would be better for Dems to eliminate the filibuster for the debt ceiling and all budget bills. It would make the idea of only being able to use reconciliation twice a year obsolete. Whatever party is in power can pass whatever financials they want. Yes, maybe spending will flow more freely, but there will also be a clearer political responsibility for who spent that money and what the effect was on the economy and people’s lives.

The last 20 years have been dysfunctional financially - budget bills don’t get passed, we constantly have these damaging debt ceiling fights and government shut downs.

I say gut the filibuster for budget and debt ceiling bills.

You can't unring spending and entitlements. That's what the Democrats are banking on. A permanent class of voters who they can scare into voting Democrat by claiming the GOP will take away those entitlements. The whole push grandma off the cliff.

There is more spent on defense and servicing debt accumulated by GOP leadership since 1981 than any entitlements that you are rallying against.

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This is going to end with Manchin and Sinema being forced to nuke the filibuster, possibly after a 30% drop in the Dow.


Won't happen. Democrats won't let the US default. They'll raise the debt ceiling by themselves. They're the party in power and will get the blame.


I honestly think it would be better for Dems to eliminate the filibuster for the debt ceiling and all budget bills. It would make the idea of only being able to use reconciliation twice a year obsolete. Whatever party is in power can pass whatever financials they want. Yes, maybe spending will flow more freely, but there will also be a clearer political responsibility for who spent that money and what the effect was on the economy and people’s lives.

The last 20 years have been dysfunctional financially - budget bills don’t get passed, we constantly have these damaging debt ceiling fights and government shut downs.

I say gut the filibuster for budget and debt ceiling bills.

+1 Might as well go all the way. The brinksmanship is getting tiresome to say the least.

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Anonymous wrote:This is going to end with Manchin and Sinema being forced to nuke the filibuster, possibly after a 30% drop in the Dow.

Won't happen. Democrats won't let the US default. They'll raise the debt ceiling by themselves. They're the party in power and will get the blame.

I honestly think it would be better for Dems to eliminate the filibuster for the debt ceiling and all budget bills. It would make the idea of only being able to use reconciliation twice a year obsolete. Whatever party is in power can pass whatever financials they want. Yes, maybe spending will flow more freely, but there will also be a clearer political responsibility for who spent that money and what the effect was on the economy and people’s lives.

The last 20 years have been dysfunctional financially - budget bills don’t get passed, we constantly have these damaging debt ceiling fights and government shut downs.

I say gut the filibuster for budget and debt ceiling bills.

You can't unring spending and entitlements. That's what the Democrats are banking on. A permanent class of voters who they can scare into voting Democrat by claiming the GOP will take away those entitlements. The whole push grandma off the cliff.

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Anonymous wrote:This is going to end with Manchin and Sinema being forced to nuke the filibuster, possibly after a 30% drop in the Dow.

Won't happen. Democrats won't let the US default. They'll raise the debt ceiling by themselves. They're the party in power and will get the blame.

I honestly think it would be better for Dems to eliminate the filibuster for the debt ceiling and all budget bills. It would make the idea of only being able to use reconciliation twice a year obsolete. Whatever party is in power can pass whatever financials they want. Yes, maybe spending will flow more freely, but there will also be a clearer political responsibility for who spent that money and what the effect was on the economy and people’s lives.

The last 20 years have been dysfunctional financially - budget bills don’t get passed, we constantly have these damaging debt ceiling fights and government shut downs.

I say gut the filibuster for budget and debt ceiling bills.