Anonymous wrote:Yep and Manchin just said it again to the press and public. He is done at 1.5 and they have known it for months.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so over these two. Is this what they really want as their legacy- torpedoing Biden’s agenda and the chance to actually DO something?

Dunno. It could ensure their political survival given how unpopular Biden and the Democrats are right now. Approvals are sinking fast.

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Not only that - they could be the saviors for other moderate Dems who know that a vote for this monstrosity means defeat for them.

Sinema is safe. The Arizona Dems don't have anyone who can challenge a sitting Senator and win and the Republican voters like her moxy.

Same with Manchin - he's not in danger of losing his seat. If he's challenged, a Republican will take it as simple as that.

They're both speaking up for Democrats who cannot say this and keep their seats - these payouts and extensive progressive wish list is too much all at once.

It should have been - expanded TANF, expanded ACA, stronger physical Infrastructure with high-speed networks, heavy on climate change, and some pre-K expansion.

This unicorn fairy of a $3.5 Trillion bill is worse than useless - its coming at the exact wrong time and contributing to the highest inflation we've seen in decades.

Manchin is safe, you are correct. Sinema though is not. Her approval among Dems and Independents is way under water. Her main support right now is from Republicans that wont vote for her anyway.

Expand TANF? Now that's a unicorn fairy. Community College and child care is a much better idea. The rest is what's in it (the immigration stuff was never getting past the parliamentarian).

Childcare doesn't exist, TANF does. Much easier for Congress to get away with expansions at every step. And no the rest is not what's in it. It's a $3.5 Trillion bloated welfare bill with only $900 billion set aside to directly combat climate change and energy. Then there's a seperate $900 billion bill specifically for infrastructure.

The Dems put everything in like a bunch of kids hiding under a skirt and they're surprised no one wants to pay for an extra $2 Trillion?

As for Sinema, I believe she's setting herself up to win regardless of party just like John McCain did when he won 60% of the Arizona vote. If she can get the same selection of moderate Dems and fiscal Conservatives on her side - she'll win.

That's clearly what she's trying to do. But, it's not working. She can't pull a McCain when she doesnt have any core principles. She's toast right now.

Ouch. Seems you were wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so over these two. Is this what they really want as their legacy- torpedoing Biden’s agenda and the chance to actually DO something?

Dunno. It could ensure their political survival given how unpopular Biden and the Democrats are right now. Approvals are sinking fast.

..+1

Not only that - they could be the saviors for other moderate Dems who know that a vote for this monstrosity means defeat for them.

Sinema is safe. The Arizona Dems don't have anyone who can challenge a sitting Senator and win and the Republican voters like her moxy.

Same with Manchin - he's not in danger of losing his seat. If he's challenged, a Republican will take it as simple as that.

They're both speaking up for Democrats who cannot say this and keep their seats - these payouts and extensive progressive wish list is too much all at once.

It should have been - expanded TANF, expanded ACA, stronger physical Infrastructure with high-speed networks, heavy on climate change, and some pre-K expansion.

This unicorn fairy of a $3.5 Trillion bill is worse than useless - its coming at the exact wrong time and contributing to the highest inflation we've seen in decades.

Manchin is safe, you are correct. Sinema though is not. Her approval among Dems and Independents is way under water. Her main support right now is from Republicans that wont vote for her anyway.

Expand TANF? Now that's a unicorn fairy. Community College and child care is a much better idea. The rest is what's in it (the immigration stuff was never getting past the parliamentarian).

Childcare doesn't exist, TANF does. Much easier for Congress to get away with expansions at every step. And no the rest is not what's in it. It's a $3.5 Trillion bloated welfare bill with only $900 billion set aside to directly combat climate change and energy. Then there's a seperate $900 billion bill specifically for infrastructure.

The Dems put everything in like a bunch of kids hiding under a skirt and they're surprised no one wants to pay for an extra $2 Trillion?

As for Sinema, I believe she's setting herself up to win regardless of party just like John McCain did when he won 60% of the Arizona vote. If she can get the same selection of moderate Dems and fiscal Conservatives on her side - she'll win.

That's clearly what she's trying to do. But, it's not working. She can't pull a McCain when she doesnt have any core principles. She's toast right now.

Ouch. Seems you were wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberals on this board don't understand that this nation is not far left like many here. You seem to think this is something the nation wants, It isn't.

If it were, Bernie Sanders would be occupying the oval office.

“Conservatives” like you do not understand how disgusted the nation is with your sh#t. No wants what you are pushing. If we did trump would be occupying the Oval Office.

Dem here - I would have done anything to get Trump out of office but Covid is why I and so many others rose up. Not to vote for rising inflation.

Inflation, Crime, and Afghanistan will destroy the Democrats in 2022. Sprinkle in some Critical Race Theory to add fuel to the fire.

A - the crime wave happened in 2020, guess who was president then?

B - Inflation, I agree with. No one wants to go to the store and pay $5 for milk and $7 for eggs. The House needs to wake up. We asked for Covid action, climate change polices, physical infrastructure, and protection for ACA/RoevWade. That's it.

C - Enough about Afghanistan. Four presidencies wanted out, we're out.

A - and the crime wave has no doubt been made far worse by Democratic led cities defunding police departments and liberal prosecutors opting not to prosecute crime.

And, as for Afghanistan....No, not enough already. Biden f'ed it up and we won't let people forget it. Thirteen service members didn't need to die and 10 innocents didn't need to be sacrificed because of the ineptitude of this administration and the decisions that were made. It is criminal, IMO.

Be truthful about Afghanistan. Do you think Trump could have gotten so many people out with no casualties? That Trump could have avoided a suicide attack? Because I was a fed under Trump and saying logistics were not his strong unit is amassing understatement.

I don't think we would have withdrawn so rapidly. And, I am ok with that. We would still be there today because the Taliban had not met the conditions.
We have had Afghan allies, journalists, and others beheaded and assassinated in front of their families.

The US will be hard pressed to have trust restored after this debacle.

That’s not what Trump said when Biden extended Trump’s deadline. But sure, Trump would have stayed and risked American lives to protect the Muslims in Afghanistan.

Remind me again what happened to the Kurds?

Again, Trump is not president.

The PP is responding to an assertion Trump would have done better with leaving Afghanistan.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberals on this board don't understand that this nation is not far left like many here. You seem to think this is something the nation wants, It isn't.

If it were, Bernie Sanders would be occupying the oval office.

“Conservatives” like you do not understand how disgusted the nation is with your sh#t. No wants what you are pushing. If we did trump would be occupying the Oval Office.

Dem here - I would have done anything to get Trump out of office but Covid is why I and so many others rose up. Not to vote for rising inflation.

Inflation, Crime, and Afghanistan will destroy the Democrats in 2022. Sprinkle in some Critical Race Theory to add fuel to the fire.

A - the crime wave happened in 2020, guess who was president then?

B - Inflation, I agree with. No one wants to go to the store and pay $5 for milk and $7 for eggs. The House needs to wake up. We asked for Covid action, climate change polices, physical infrastructure, and protection for ACA/RoevWade. That's it.

C - Enough about Afghanistan. Four presidencies wanted out, we're out.

A - and the crime wave has no doubt been made far worse by Democratic led cities defunding police departments and liberal prosecutors opting not to prosecute crime.

And, as for Afghanistan....No, not enough already. Biden f'ed it up and we won't let people forget it. Thirteen service members didn't need to die and 10 innocents didn't need to be sacrificed because of the ineptitude of this administration and the decisions that were made. It is criminal, IMO.

Be truthful about Afghanistan. Do you think Trump could have gotten so many people out with no casualties? That Trump could have avoided a suicide attack? Because I was a fed under Trump and saying logistics were not his strong unit is amassing understatement.

I don't think we would have withdrawn so rapidly. And, I am ok with that. We would still be there today because the Taliban had not met the conditions.
We have had Afghan allies, journalists, and others beheaded and assassinated in front of their families.

The US will be hard pressed to have trust restored after this debacle.

That’s not what Trump said when Biden extended Trump’s deadline. But sure, Trump would have stayed and risked American lives to protect the Muslims in Afghanistan.

Remind me again what happened to the Kurds?

Again, Trump is not president.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberals on this board don't understand that this nation is not far left like many here. You seem to think this is something the nation wants, It isn't.

If it were, Bernie Sanders would be occupying the oval office.

“Conservatives” like you do not understand how disgusted the nation is with your sh#t. No wants what you are pushing. If we did trump would be occupying the Oval Office.

Dem here - I would have done anything to get Trump out of office but Covid is why I and so many others rose up. Not to vote for rising inflation.

Inflation, Crime, and Afghanistan will destroy the Democrats in 2022. Sprinkle in some Critical Race Theory to add fuel to the fire.

A - the crime wave happened in 2020, guess who was president then?

B - Inflation, I agree with. No one wants to go to the store and pay $5 for milk and $7 for eggs. The House needs to wake up. We asked for Covid action, climate change polices, physical infrastructure, and protection for ACA/RoevWade. That's it.

C - Enough about Afghanistan. Four presidencies wanted out, we're out.

A - and the crime wave has no doubt been made far worse by Democratic led cities defunding police departments and liberal prosecutors opting not to prosecute crime.

And, as for Afghanistan....No, not enough already. Biden f'ed it up and we won't let people forget it. Thirteen service members didn't need to die and 10 innocents didn't need to be sacrificed because of the ineptitude of this administration and the decisions that were made. It is criminal, IMO.

Be truthful about Afghanistan. Do you think Trump could have gotten so many people out with no casualties? That Trump could have avoided a suicide attack? Because I was a fed under Trump and saying logistics were not his strong unit is amassing understatement.

I don't think we would have withdrawn so rapidly. And, I am ok with that. We would still be there today because the Taliban had not met the conditions.
We have had Afghan allies, journalists, and others beheaded and assassinated in front of their families.

The US will be hard pressed to have trust restored after this debacle.

That’s not what Trump said when Biden extended Trump’s deadline. But sure, Trump would have stayed and risked American lives to protect the Muslims in Afghanistan.

Remind me again what happened to the Kurds?

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Anonymous wrote:The liberals on this board don't understand that this nation is not far left like many here. You seem to think this is something the nation wants, It isn't.

If it were, Bernie Sanders would be occupying the oval office.

“Conservatives” like you do not understand how disgusted the nation is with your sh#t. No wants what you are pushing. If we did trump would be occupying the Oval Office.

Dem here - I would have done anything to get Trump out of office but Covid is why I and so many others rose up. Not to vote for rising inflation.

Inflation, Crime, and Afghanistan will destroy the Democrats in 2022. Sprinkle in some Critical Race Theory to add fuel to the fire.

A - the crime wave happened in 2020, guess who was president then?

B - Inflation, I agree with. No one wants to go to the store and pay $5 for milk and $7 for eggs. The House needs to wake up. We asked for Covid action, climate change polices, physical infrastructure, and protection for ACA/RoevWade. That's it.

C - Enough about Afghanistan. Four presidencies wanted out, we're out.

A - and the crime wave has no doubt been made far worse by Democratic led cities defunding police departments and liberal prosecutors opting not to prosecute crime.

And, as for Afghanistan....No, not enough already. Biden f'ed it up and we won't let people forget it. Thirteen service members didn't need to die and 10 innocents didn't need to be sacrificed because of the ineptitude of this administration and the decisions that were made. It is criminal, IMO.

Be truthful about Afghanistan. Do you think Trump could have gotten so many people out with no casualties? That Trump could have avoided a suicide attack? Because I was a fed under Trump and saying logistics were not his strong unit is amassing understatement.

I don't think we would have withdrawn so rapidly. And, I am ok with that. We would still be there today because the Taliban had not met the conditions.
We have had Afghan allies, journalists, and others beheaded and assassinated in front of their families.

The US will be hard pressed to have trust restored after this debacle.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberals on this board don't understand that this nation is not far left like many here. You seem to think this is something the nation wants, It isn't.

If it were, Bernie Sanders would be occupying the oval office.

“Conservatives” like you do not understand how disgusted the nation is with your sh#t. No wants what you are pushing. If we did trump would be occupying the Oval Office.

Dem here - I would have done anything to get Trump out of office but Covid is why I and so many others rose up. Not to vote for rising inflation.

Inflation, Crime, and Afghanistan will destroy the Democrats in 2022. Sprinkle in some Critical Race Theory to add fuel to the fire.

A - the crime wave happened in 2020, guess who was president then?

B - Inflation, I agree with. No one wants to go to the store and pay $5 for milk and $7 for eggs. The House needs to wake up. We asked for Covid action, climate change polices, physical infrastructure, and protection for ACA/RoevWade. That's it.

C - Enough about Afghanistan. Four presidencies wanted out, we're out.

A - and the crime wave has no doubt been made far worse by Democratic led cities defunding police departments and liberal prosecutors opting not to prosecute crime.

And, as for Afghanistan....No, not enough already. Biden f'ed it up and we won't let people forget it. Thirteen service members didn't need to die and 10 innocents didn't need to be sacrificed because of the ineptitude of this administration and the decisions that were made. It is criminal, IMO.

Be truthful about Afghanistan. Do you think Trump could have gotten so many people out with no casualties? That Trump could have avoided a suicide attack? Because I was a fed under Trump and saying logistics were not his strong unit is amassing understatement.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so over these two. Is this what they really want as their legacy- torpedoing Biden’s agenda and the chance to actually DO something?

Dunno. It could ensure their political survival given how unpopular Biden and the Democrats are right now. Approvals are sinking fast.

..+1

Not only that - they could be the saviors for other moderate Dems who know that a vote for this monstrosity means defeat for them.

Sinema is safe. The Arizona Dems don't have anyone who can challenge a sitting Senator and win and the Republican voters like her moxy.

Same with Manchin - he's not in danger of losing his seat. If he's challenged, a Republican will take it as simple as that.

They're both speaking up for Democrats who cannot say this and keep their seats - these payouts and extensive progressive wish list is too much all at once.

It should have been - expanded TANF, expanded ACA, stronger physical Infrastructure with high-speed networks, heavy on climate change, and some pre-K expansion.

This unicorn fairy of a $3.5 Trillion bill is worse than useless - its coming at the exact wrong time and contributing to the highest inflation we've seen in decades.

Manchin is safe, you are correct. Sinema though is not. Her approval among Dems and Independents is way under water. Her main support right now is from Republicans that wont vote for her anyway.

Expand TANF? Now that's a unicorn fairy. Community College and child care is a much better idea. The rest is what's in it (the immigration stuff was never getting past the parliamentarian).

Childcare doesn't exist, TANF does. Much easier for Congress to get away with expansions at every step. And no the rest is not what's in it. It's a $3.5 Trillion bloated welfare bill with only $900 billion set aside to directly combat climate change and energy. Then there's a seperate $900 billion bill specifically for infrastructure.

The Dems put everything in like a bunch of kids hiding under a skirt and they're surprised no one wants to pay for an extra $2 Trillion?

As for Sinema, I believe she's setting herself up to win regardless of party just like John McCain did when he won 60% of the Arizona vote. If she can get the same selection of moderate Dems and fiscal Conservatives on her side - she'll win.

That's clearly what she's trying to do. But, it's not working. She can't pull a McCain when she doesnt have any core principles. She's toast right now.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberals on this board don't understand that this nation is not far left like many here. You seem to think this is something the nation wants, It isn't.

If it were, Bernie Sanders would be occupying the oval office.

“Conservatives” like you do not understand how disgusted the nation is with your sh#t. No wants what you are pushing. If we did trump would be occupying the Oval Office.

Dem here - I would have done anything to get Trump out of office but Covid is why I and so many others rose up. Not to vote for rising inflation.

Inflation, Crime, and Afghanistan will destroy the Democrats in 2022. Sprinkle in some Critical Race Theory to add fuel to the fire.

A - the crime wave happened in 2020, guess who was president then?

B - Inflation, I agree with. No one wants to go to the store and pay $5 for milk and $7 for eggs. The House needs to wake up. We asked for Covid action, climate change polices, physical infrastructure, and protection for ACA/RoevWade. That's it.

C - Enough about Afghanistan. Four presidencies wanted out, we're out.

A - and the crime wave has no doubt been made far worse by Democratic led cities defunding police departments and liberal prosecutors opting not to prosecute crime.

And, as for Afghanistan....No, not enough already. Biden f'ed it up and we won't let people forget it. Thirteen service members didn't need to die and 10 innocents didn't need to be sacrificed because of the ineptitude of this administration and the decisions that were made. It is criminal, IMO.

Be truthful about Afghanistan. Do you think Trump could have gotten so many people out with no casualties? That Trump could have avoided a suicide attack? Because I was a fed under Trump and saying logistics were not his strong unit is amassing understatement.

I don't think we would have withdrawn so rapidly. And, I am ok with that. We would still be there today because the Taliban had not met the conditions.
We have had Afghan allies, journalists, and others beheaded and assassinated in front of their families.

The US will be hard pressed to have trust restored after this debacle.