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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University

My thoughts: Columbia is not really at the same level as Harvard and MIT. Chicago is not at the same level as Stanford, which always appears underrated in USNWR. Hopkins is not at the level of Caltech and Duke. Why does UCLA continue to be above Berkeley? What does UCLA do better than Berkeley? The schools tied at 28 don't really seem any better than schools down around 40 or so. What would make UCSB better than UCSD or Texas or a number of other schools?

Nobody cares what you and your grandma think.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

Actually, Princeton is widely viewed as having the best undergraduate education in the country, and the many consecutive years of #1 US News rankings only play a modest roll in that assessment.

I do think Princeton is a grat undergrad education and experience, but I don't think that is necessarily the case with a number of schools high on the list.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

+1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

+1
Almost no one chooses to go to Chicago or Columbia if they think they can be accepted at HYPSM.

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Anonymous wrote:How does Dartmouth qualify in the national university ranking with its limited program offerings and graduate degrees?

Dartmouth shouldn't even be considered in the same breath as the rest of the schools it likens to be its peers.

Dartmouth is an awfully mediocre school. One wonders where it would be if it hadn’t lucked out by joining the Ivy League back in the day.

Rejected by Dartmouth?

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Anonymous wrote:How does Dartmouth qualify in the national university ranking with its limited program offerings and graduate degrees?

Dartmouth shouldn't even be considered in the same breath as the rest of the schools it likens to be its peers.

Dartmouth is an awfully mediocre school. One wonders where it would be if it hadn’t lucked out by joining the Ivy League back in the day.

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Anonymous wrote:Where’s UMD?

Why can't you look for yourself.

I’ll help you both. UMD is tied for #59. Definitely have to scroll for a while to find it.

So no more UVA s UMD threads?!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where’s UMD?

Why can't you look for yourself.

I’ll help you both. UMD is tied for #59. Definitely have to scroll for a while to find it.

UVA booster?

My annual amazement that Rose-Hulman is ranked ahead of Harvey Mudd in the 'engineering - no graduate programs' category. Both are great schools, that's just not my perception of the way those schools would be ordered. But having them in the top two positions makes sense.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-overall

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

This is silly and biased, there are 100 different metrics that US news can choose from but according to you rankings should be based on yield?!?!?!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

Actually, Princeton is widely viewed as having the best undergraduate education in the country, and the many consecutive years of #1 US News rankings only play a modest roll in that assessment.

Only problem is that it is it Prinzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzton, Snooze Jersey.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

Actually, Princeton is widely viewed as having the best undergraduate education in the country, and the many consecutive years of #1 US News rankings only play a modest roll in that assessment.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Dartmouth qualify in the national university ranking with its limited program offerings and graduate degrees?

read the methodology. it explains how the list is formed.

The methodology explains the criteria for ranking but not about the definition of "national university" for the purposes of this specific list.

What are National Universities?

National Universities offer a full range of undergraduate majors as well as master's and doctoral degrees. In many cases, they place strong emphasis on research and receive federal money to support their research endeavors.

There are 392 National Universities – 209 public, 179 private and four for-profit – based on the categories that The Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education establishes.


7. What are National Liberal Arts Colleges?

National Liberal Arts Colleges emphasize undergraduate education. To be included in this category, colleges must award at least 50% of their degrees in liberal arts disciplines, such as languages and literature, biology and life sciences, philosophy, cultural studies and psychology.

There are 223 National Liberal Arts Colleges – 199 private, 24 public and zero for-profit schools.


8. What are Regional Universities and Regional Colleges?

Like National Universities, Regional Universities offer a full range of undergraduate programs and provide graduate education at the master's level. However, they differ by offering few, if any, doctoral programs. Of the 596 Regional Universities, 245 are public, 341 are private and 10 are for-profit.

The 371 Regional Colleges – including 170 public institutions, 190 private schools and 11 for-profits – focus on undergraduate education but grant fewer than 50% of their degrees in liberal arts disciplines. The Regional Colleges category includes some institutions where only a small number of degrees awarded are at the bachelor's level.

Regional Universities and Regional Colleges are placed into one of four geographic categories: North, South, Midwest and West.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does Dartmouth qualify in the national university ranking with its limited program offerings and graduate degrees?

read the methodology. it explains how the list is formed.

The methodology explains the criteria for ranking but not about the definition of "national university" for the purposes of this specific list.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

Yup!