Anonymous wrote:I'm no Jen fan, but I am someone who has survived an abusive marriage. To see many of my posts, you'd think I was "Lying" too.....the reality is that the better I made my ex look, the worse I suffered. I also have friends who very much had the rug pulled out from under their feet by spouses who were living basically a double life. Their posts on social were not lies, they just had no idea they were living a lie, because their partner hid it.

Again........I think that Jen isnt as pretty as she thinks she is, and is a thirsty, self important blowhard....but I do think that its not always "WHAT A LIAR" when a seemingly happy family devolves and there are allegations of abuse. Believe me, I scoured through my OWN social media posts thinking "was I a liar?".....but no, I was showing what I hoped I had, in hopes that he wouldnt hit me or scream at me that night. I was doing my best, with what I had.

I agree with you here, and I'm so sorry you suffered abuse. NO ONE deserves that. I really understand what you are talking about as one of my brothers actually was emotionally and verbally abused by his former wife, (he has been diagnosed with PTSD from her actions). They were married for over 10 years, and virtually no one believes that she was/is actually that abusive and manipulative, even though she got pregnant from the (known) afair she had - by a man who was also married at the time with very young kids.

I listened to the podcast yesterday. I don't know Jamie and Kristen that well, but none of them deserved to be cheated on, abused, or treated poorly. Could they have taken more accountability for some things? Possibly - but I don't know all their stories. I am not really much of a Jen fan these days, but I think that podcast can serve other women (and men) who are in similar situations - especially if they grew up in the same or similar culture. In the very least, they may now realize they are not alone, and that there could be a path forward out of an abusive and/or manipulative marriage.

I'm no Jen fan, but I am someone who has survived an abusive marriage. To see many of my posts, you'd think I was "Lying" too.....the reality is that the better I made my ex look, the worse I suffered. I also have friends who very much had the rug pulled out from under their feet by spouses who were living basically a double life. Their posts on social were not lies, they just had no idea they were living a lie, because their partner hid it.

Again........I think that Jen isnt as pretty as she thinks she is, and is a thirsty, self important blowhard....but I do think that its not always "WHAT A LIAR" when a seemingly happy family devolves and there are allegations of abuse. Believe me, I scoured through my OWN social media posts thinking "was I a liar?".....but no, I was showing what I hoped I had, in hopes that he wouldnt hit me or scream at me that night. I was doing my best, with what I had.

Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but did Jen just admit that the way she portrayed her marriage and family for years was a lie? That’s the real elephant in the room - you gave us a totally false picture of your marriage for years and you still will not take responsibility for that. You act like this image was foisted on you.

Exactly- even the last pic she posted on Facebook in June 30, less than a month from the announcement of their divorce, she was gushing all over Brandon and their journey together and how great he is and how they still choose each other. So, Jenn, you knew then it was crumbling, but lied to continue to bolster your leverage your brand? How genuine of you.

Check out all the comments from her fans. They’re so sappy and syrupy sweet. And yet, she knew? She doesn’t care, she just keeps cashing in. She has no conscience.

I’m sorry but did Jen just admit that the way she portrayed her marriage and family for years was a lie? That’s the real elephant in the room - you gave us a totally false picture of your marriage for years and you still will not take responsibility for that. You act like this image was foisted on you.

Anonymous wrote:It was a simple, tragic story of three perfect, sweet princesses, babes in the woods, as it were, compelled by force or magic, to marry at a young age, three nearly identical brutal monsters. They were utterly perfect and did all the work too! And now, all three, are swooning anew in single life, some with now perfect beaus, living their best lives possible!

Thank you for making me and my partner guffaw 😂

Lol. She just promoted it on social with the following included in the caption: “What this conversation is not: a lashing out of women scorned. We’re too good for that.”

That is LITERALLY what this entire podcast was! At one point you all even chuckled about becoming more successful than your husbands.

She’s lost it.

It was a simple, tragic story of three perfect, sweet princesses, babes in the woods, as it were, compelled by force or magic, to marry at a young age, three nearly identical brutal monsters. They were utterly perfect and did all the work too! And now, all three, are swooning anew in single life, some with now perfect beaus, living their best lives possible!

Anonymous wrote:This recent Jen Hatmaker/Kristen Howerton/Jamie Wright Ny Ex Is A Monster And I Was A Perfect Saint In My Marriage podcast is so bad that if they were still famous enough, if it went viral, would provoke a furious backlash.

Jen would have to take it down and post a bunch of apologetic word salad posts about how “she’s still hurting” and “wasn’t fair to ex husbands everywhere” and that “she’s still trying to find the tools of living through divorce”, etc.

Yep. I agree. Wonder why their husbands habitually cheated? I would never condone that behavior at all, but the reality is, something was broken in their respective marriages and both parties have some ownership. Maybe they don’t like sexy time, or aren’t freaky enough, or have hang-ups from their own brokenness. Instead, let’s drag the horrible ex across the coals. Very tacky and hurtful. They’re doing it to get back at their ex’s and not address their own problems.

Oh, dear Lord…. Around minute 50 they all pat themselves on the back for not spilling ALL the tea. After they’ve just bashed their husbands unapologetically for the 50 minutes prior.

There’s no way they lack this much self-awareness, right?

This recent Jen Hatmaker/Kristen Howerton/Jamie Wright Ny Ex Is A Monster And I Was A Perfect Saint In My Marriage podcast is so bad that if they were still famous enough, if it went viral, would provoke a furious backlash.

Jen would have to take it down and post a bunch of apologetic word salad posts about how “she’s still hurting” and “wasn’t fair to ex husbands everywhere” and that “she’s still trying to find the tools of living through divorce”, etc.

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the last few posts and your transparency. I think that’s the blind spot of all these influencers. From hatmaker to Hollis to everyone in between. They are selling and shilling so hard but it’s all built on lies. Jen was so so so so extra about her marriage and her and Brandon and their love and friendship and how much fun they had and how much he got her and brought to the family and on and on. And it was bs. They had issues and problems like everyone else and they were big enough and bad enough to end in divorce.


So now cut to her posts about her friends and her life and how much fun they are and how great they are and how amazing her life is and on and on. But we already learned that your posts don’t mean much. At best you were blind or posting seriously revised reality and at worst you were lying through your teeth. So forgive me if I don’t believe you have the greatest friends ever and you’re so happy and everything is so great.

Jen you weren’t honest with us on a really really big thing. So why trust you now? Same Rachel Hollis. Same Heidi Powell. Same all you fake influencers with no expertise, training, degrees, experience or actual knowledge in the areas where you peddle your wares. It’s all a fake grift.

Well said. You’re right, her “I’ve got the greatest life, marriage, kids, etc” all wrapped up in quaint perfect pictures and the greatest recipes ever!, and it was all a sham. Now, you should ascribe to what I’m hawking now….because it is the “real Jen Hatmaker”. I listened to her podcast with Kristen Howerton and Jamie Wright l. It was a bash your ex party, and not one of them took the position that they owned part of the marriage too. They blamed it all on “we were young,” or “I was a preacher’s wife.” It was all external factors for you, but your husbands, on the other hand, were just total monsters. Interesting, that Jen didn’t really reveal the exact reasons of her divorce. The most she really spilled was that there was no intimacy and that some night in July was their last night together. From that point, for all intents and purposes, they were divorced and just had the legalities to go through to make it official. Jen, seems to me that you didn’t really try to save your marriage. You (and maybe Brandon) were done. How can you really honestly say to those young wives and mothers that you influence and always call out in your fangirl club, that they can possibly save their marriage. Every marriage is hard. Maybe some are more difficult than others. But you did, as the other poster eloquently pointed out, portrayed your life and marriage as the perfect life right up until about a month or so before you announced you were calling it quits! How disingenuous are you? And then you got to go to “Me Camp” as you call it. Me me me. It is all about me isn’t Jen? You fail to see your own frailties. I predict it’s going to be very hard for her to find another relationship until she gets over her own damn self. She acts so smart and knows just what she and all her fans need to do to live a fulfilling life, but yet she can’t see the obvious staring her right in the face.

I appreciate the last few posts and your transparency. I think that’s the blind spot of all these influencers. From hatmaker to Hollis to everyone in between. They are selling and shilling so hard but it’s all built on lies. Jen was so so so so extra about her marriage and her and Brandon and their love and friendship and how much fun they had and how much he got her and brought to the family and on and on. And it was bs. They had issues and problems like everyone else and they were big enough and bad enough to end in divorce.


So now cut to her posts about her friends and her life and how much fun they are and how great they are and how amazing her life is and on and on. But we already learned that your posts don’t mean much. At best you were blind or posting seriously revised reality and at worst you were lying through your teeth. So forgive me if I don’t believe you have the greatest friends ever and you’re so happy and everything is so great.

Jen you weren’t honest with us on a really really big thing. So why trust you now? Same Rachel Hollis. Same Heidi Powell. Same all you fake influencers with no expertise, training, degrees, experience or actual knowledge in the areas where you peddle your wares. It’s all a fake grift.

Anonymous wrote:Years ago my husband had a friend who I only sort of knew who was getting a divorce. I knew his wife a bit better. During the divorce the wife constantly and publicly shit on her husband to anyone who would hear it. Just absolutely put him on blast. He was emotionally abusive, hinted that he was physically abusive. He was a cheater and drug user and constantly put their children in harm's way with his additions and violence, etc. Her comments made me think he was a horrible person, the worst of the worst. So much that I wondered why my husband was even friends with this guy.

But then I actually got to know this guy better, at first from a distance. As I got to know him I realized that "the narrative" spun by his ex was almost completely one sided and incredibly exaggerated. He was a hurting man grieving a marriage. He wasn't perfect, for sure, but he wasn't the monster his ex portrayed him as. I grew to love and admire him too. One of the things I grew to admire about him was that he never, not once, dumped on his ex, even though he had many reasons to. He didn't even really defend himself. In fact, he was nice and gentle with her in his public interactions.

I believe firmly that, while there are some exceptions, both parties share in the blame for most divorces. Not one of us is the perfect angel we think we are. That’s the one thing I learned when my spouse and I went through counseling. It saved our marriage and we both learned as much about ourselves and what we, as individuals, needed to address as we learned about each other. We each had to work on ourselves for our marriage to have a chance. Thankfully, we both put in that work.

Years ago my husband had a friend who I only sort of knew who was getting a divorce. I knew his wife a bit better. During the divorce the wife constantly and publicly shit on her husband to anyone who would hear it. Just absolutely put him on blast. He was emotionally abusive, hinted that he was physically abusive. He was a cheater and drug user and constantly put their children in harm's way with his additions and violence, etc. Her comments made me think he was a horrible person, the worst of the worst. So much that I wondered why my husband was even friends with this guy.

But then I actually got to know this guy better, at first from a distance. As I got to know him I realized that "the narrative" spun by his ex was almost completely one sided and incredibly exaggerated. He was a hurting man grieving a marriage. He wasn't perfect, for sure, but he wasn't the monster his ex portrayed him as. I grew to love and admire him too. One of the things I grew to admire about him was that he never, not once, dumped on his ex, even though he had many reasons to. He didn't even really defend himself. In fact, he was nice and gentle with her in his public interactions.

Wow, Just listened. It was an incredibly uncharitable and gross dumping on their exes. So much airing of dirty laundry targeted at defenseless people who are the fathers of their own children. Seriously, super revolting, and a very very poor reflection on these three women.