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Anonymous wrote:Another odd thing. See below for some excerpts of the note. If this happened to me, I would be completely focused on getting the money together and dealing with the "kidnappers." It doesn't seem like this was a priority for the Ramseys.

"She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you… will withdraw $118,000… I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your daughter "

John Ramsey was on the phone with his banker getting the money together that morning. They all sat and waited for the phone to ring and it didn't.

Did you watch the Dateline special? They mentioned the time went without mention (a detective found it odd that j and p didn't mention the missed call) and that the cops had prepped the family for the call.

NP. That was one of the contradictions between the two shows. On the A&E show, JR stated in an interview that he went to the bank, met with his regular banker (and was lucky to catch him because the guy was on his way out of town) and got the cash. The show also stated that everyone did wait by the phone. This point is so murky to me. If I was waiting for a ransom call that didn't come, I would freak the f out and probably make a scene that would be "memorable" enough for all law enforcement people in my home to remember it.

One piece of evidence that I put in the "Ramsey's did it" column is that the ransom note told them not to notify law enforcement or bankers and if they did, JB would be killed. Yet, they did a frantic call to 911 and never said anything about that.

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why anyone is arguing that open window must mean intruder. If you weee in the home and staging a murder of course you would want to make it look like someone broke in.

Also, I'm seriously wondering if there are tons of rabid Ramsey defenders or just one or two people who can't fathom it. I don't know who did it but the "they loved her!" argument is so weak. Parents kill ALL THE TIME

Rabid? Seriously? Are you getting a little too invested?

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why anyone is arguing that open window must mean intruder. If you weee in the home and staging a murder of course you would want to make it look like someone broke in.

Also, I'm seriously wondering if there are tons of rabid Ramsey defenders or just one or two people who can't fathom it. I don't know who did it but the "they loved her!" argument is so weak. Parents kill ALL THE TIME

No one is using "they loved her as a defense". Pointing out failures of police and very suspicious people who had access to JB.

I don't understand why anyone is arguing that open window must mean intruder. If you weee in the home and staging a murder of course you would want to make it look like someone broke in.

Also, I'm seriously wondering if there are tons of rabid Ramsey defenders or just one or two people who can't fathom it. I don't know who did it but the "they loved her!" argument is so weak. Parents kill ALL THE TIME

Patsy, sorry

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Anonymous wrote:Steve Thomas wrote in his book " CASKU had taught me one thing- ransom kidnappers kidnap for financial gain. Peodophiles kidnap for sexual gratification. But the two are mutually exclusive. Smit's hybrid peodophile-ransom-kidnapper- murder would have been most unique."
That was the mindset of the police. They could not think of any senerio other than the whole thing made no sense so blame it on the mother. Even though the ransom note was left no one actually tried to collect money. The note was a distraction and a personal attack on John. I think Santa was obsessed with JB and jealous of John's money. When he was in the home he probably tried to look for financial information on John out of jealousy. He found a paycheck stub that had the bonus on it. Also the detective's theory is wrong anyway. Just look at the family killed in Connecticut- forced to go to the bank and get money and daughter assaulted before burning them alive. John was aloof and wealthy and that is why the note is written to John. Patsy had always been nice to Santa. That is why the note does not mention Mrs. Ramsey.

Can you please explain the connection you are trying to make between the family in CT and JonBenet's murder? I am not following you here, and I think you have mentioned it before.

Because the police could not imagine a senerio where an intruder would break into the house and be after both money and a sexual assault. They felt that the ransom was staged so it must be Patsy. They didn't think an intruder would stage a ransom. My point is who knows what a crazy person would do if they broke into your house. They could have multiple motives (like in Connecticut) or one motive and use another one as a coverup. They blamed the whole craziness on Pasy instead of a crazy intruder.

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Anonymous wrote:Steve Thomas wrote in his book " CASKU had taught me one thing- ransom kidnappers kidnap for financial gain. Peodophiles kidnap for sexual gratification. But the two are mutually exclusive. Smit's hybrid peodophile-ransom-kidnapper- murder would have been most unique."
That was the mindset of the police. They could not think of any senerio other than the whole thing made no sense so blame it on the mother. Even though the ransom note was left no one actually tried to collect money. The note was a distraction and a personal attack on John. I think Santa was obsessed with JB and jealous of John's money. When he was in the home he probably tried to look for financial information on John out of jealousy. He found a paycheck stub that had the bonus on it. Also the detective's theory is wrong anyway. Just look at the family killed in Connecticut- forced to go to the bank and get money and daughter assaulted before burning them alive. John was aloof and wealthy and that is why the note is written to John. Patsy had always been nice to Santa. That is why the note does not mention Mrs. Ramsey.

Can you please explain the connection you are trying to make between the family in CT and JonBenet's murder? I am not following you here, and I think you have mentioned it before.

Not PP, but it sounds like that CT crime disputes the fact that sex and money are mutually exclusive motives.

Anonymous wrote:Weird fixation on Santa as the guilty one. There's another thread right now about how 5-6 year old kids are notoriously unreliable about facts and are prone to fantasy and make believe. Yet you are taking JonBenet's chattering about Santa as proof that he is guilty?

I think he is a convenient scapegoat....because he is dead.

Sure kids make things up and have fantasies. But do those kids say someone is coming to have a secret visit with me and end up dead that very night?

Anonymous wrote:Weird fixation on Santa as the guilty one. There's another thread right now about how 5-6 year old kids are notoriously unreliable about facts and are prone to fantasy and make believe. Yet you are taking JonBenet's chattering about Santa as proof that he is guilty?

I think he is a convenient scapegoat....because he is dead.

McReynolds appeared to have a rather intense emotional attachment to JonBenet even before her death. Google some of the things that he said about JonBenet and you'll get the picture.

I can see how some folks regard him as a top suspect.

Anonymous wrote:Steve Thomas wrote in his book " CASKU had taught me one thing- ransom kidnappers kidnap for financial gain. Peodophiles kidnap for sexual gratification. But the two are mutually exclusive. Smit's hybrid peodophile-ransom-kidnapper- murder would have been most unique."
That was the mindset of the police. They could not think of any senerio other than the whole thing made no sense so blame it on the mother. Even though the ransom note was left no one actually tried to collect money. The note was a distraction and a personal attack on John. I think Santa was obsessed with JB and jealous of John's money. When he was in the home he probably tried to look for financial information on John out of jealousy. He found a paycheck stub that had the bonus on it. Also the detective's theory is wrong anyway. Just look at the family killed in Connecticut- forced to go to the bank and get money and daughter assaulted before burning them alive. John was aloof and wealthy and that is why the note is written to John. Patsy had always been nice to Santa. That is why the note does not mention Mrs. Ramsey.

Can you please explain the connection you are trying to make between the family in CT and JonBenet's murder? I am not following you here, and I think you have mentioned it before.

Anonymous wrote:Weird fixation on Santa as the guilty one. There's another thread right now about how 5-6 year old kids are notoriously unreliable about facts and are prone to fantasy and make believe. Yet you are taking JonBenet's chattering about Santa as proof that he is guilty?

I think he is a convenient scapegoat....because he is dead.

JB said Santa was going to visit her after Christmas. You sound like the Boulder Police. Dismiss the victims own words as childish chit chat. Santa interjected himself in the case. He could not stop going on tv and saying all kinds of weird inappropriate things.

Steve Thomas wrote in his book " CASKU had taught me one thing- ransom kidnappers kidnap for financial gain. Peodophiles kidnap for sexual gratification. But the two are mutually exclusive. Smit's hybrid peodophile-ransom-kidnapper- murder would have been most unique."
That was the mindset of the police. They could not think of any senerio other than the whole thing made no sense so blame it on the mother. Even though the ransom note was left no one actually tried to collect money. The note was a distraction and a personal attack on John. I think Santa was obsessed with JB and jealous of John's money. When he was in the home he probably tried to look for financial information on John out of jealousy. He found a paycheck stub that had the bonus on it. Also the detective's theory is wrong anyway. Just look at the family killed in Connecticut- forced to go to the bank and get money and daughter assaulted before burning them alive. John was aloof and wealthy and that is why the note is written to John. Patsy had always been nice to Santa. That is why the note does not mention Mrs. Ramsey.

Weird fixation on Santa as the guilty one. There's another thread right now about how 5-6 year old kids are notoriously unreliable about facts and are prone to fantasy and make believe. Yet you are taking JonBenet's chattering about Santa as proof that he is guilty?

I think he is a convenient scapegoat....because he is dead.

I don't believe the Ramseys had anything to do with it. Did you hear the 911 call? Patsy was so distraught. She loved that girl -- maybe a hit on the head but to assault her dd with a paintbrush? Come on. No indication that JR did it either. P was a relatively young woman who had been to the edge of death -- she must have loved those children desperately. He'd lost a daughter and he seems like an intelligent person who makes cool, calculated decisions. And is there any indication he abused his other two daughters? I don't think so. If he were an abuser he would have abused them too.

JB and Burke's bedwetting? Their beloved older sister died. Their mother had just barely survived cancer.

As for how the Ramseys acted/are acting -- I'm sure Patsy was medicated, John seems like the midwestern stiff upper lip type of his generation and Burke has had a very strange childhood and may well have "issues" I can't knowledgeably specify.

The evidence against them is ridiculous. A well off woman re-wore an outfit? A child snuck a piece of pineapple in a busy household at a busy time of year? And is there any suggestion -- from any of the three other children in their orbit -- that J & P were in any way abusive parents? How do you go from being a loving parent to so vilely abusing the baby of the family? Patsy was a Stage 4 ovarian cancer patient and people believe she was physically strong enough to do what she did?

Also -- look at the ransom note. It mentions John by name but not Jonbenet, just "your daughter". Whoever wrote it apparently wasn't aware that John Ramsey had another daughter and/or may not have known Jonbenet's name or how to spell it.

It was an intruder. The BPD messed up badly.

Who was on Smit's short list of subjects? Had he eliminated Santa? Or the junkyard guy?