Anonymous
01/24/2020 09:35
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Can you point me to this cost “analysis”?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Quantitative-Comparison-of-APS-School-Moves-Scenarios-v1.pdf
It’s not really clear who made it. Also, it’s not indicating no moves, just picking a different target. I think it looks like a McKinley product.
What is that nonsense bus ride length line? What does 7 minutes @ 8am mean to anything?
Anonymous
01/24/2020 09:18
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Can you point me to this cost “analysis”?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Quantitative-Comparison-of-APS-School-Moves-Scenarios-v1.pdf
It’s not really clear who made it. Also, it’s not indicating no moves, just picking a different target. I think it looks like a McKinley product.
Got it. So, nothing truly new and based on the parent-created maps and a guess of what the APS boundary map would look like if a move were to happen.
Also, please stop telling lies that the Welcome Center is purposely not directing Spanish speaking families to immersion to drive down Key’s numbers, like it’s some evil conspiracy to make the move look like a better idea. Why would that employee want to do that? What benefit could that person possibly receive that would make such nefarious and devious behavior worth it?
Are they going to cover this chart in today's webinar? Curious to hear the APS staff address this...
It looks like APS staff created that chart -- the thing that is surprising is the boundary change only scenario looking so good. This combined building on Buck (which has been estimated really low, I think less than 10 million) makes it seem like they really don't need to move immersion.
I'm a big proponent of the move and part of me thinks that we should just bite the bullet here, but I really do feel like staff dug in early on (maybe because of mcCrazy) and its possible that there are better solutions that we aren't seeing because we aren't all working as a team. The posts here about how they are moving walkers from Key to Long Branch or ASF has me really concerned that the proposal map is just based off of nothing.
That chart was created by a McKinley parent, not APS. It makes Proposal 1 look bad by using inaccurate figures, vastly overstating the number of kids who would move and undercounting new walkers.
Anonymous
01/24/2020 09:15
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Can you point me to this cost “analysis”?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Quantitative-Comparison-of-APS-School-Moves-Scenarios-v1.pdf
It’s not really clear who made it. Also, it’s not indicating no moves, just picking a different target. I think it looks like a McKinley product.
Got it. So, nothing truly new and based on the parent-created maps and a guess of what the APS boundary map would look like if a move were to happen.
Also, please stop telling lies that the Welcome Center is purposely not directing Spanish speaking families to immersion to drive down Key’s numbers, like it’s some evil conspiracy to make the move look like a better idea. Why would that employee want to do that? What benefit could that person possibly receive that would make such nefarious and devious behavior worth it?
Are they going to cover this chart in today's webinar? Curious to hear the APS staff address this...
It looks like APS staff created that chart -- the thing that is surprising is the boundary change only scenario looking so good. This combined building on Buck (which has been estimated really low, I think less than 10 million) makes it seem like they really don't need to move immersion.
I'm a big proponent of the move and part of me thinks that we should just bite the bullet here, but I really do feel like staff dug in early on (maybe because of mcCrazy) and its possible that there are better solutions that we aren't seeing because we aren't all working as a team. The posts here about how they are moving walkers from Key to Long Branch or ASF has me really concerned that the proposal map is just based off of nothing.
The reason boundary only looks good is because it defines the R-B corridor as Long Branch, ASFS, Key and Taylor. However, when you look at the boundary only map, the kids who actually LIVE in the R-B corridor west of Clarendon are being sent to McKinley or Ashlawn. Basically, they are "adding" seat to the corridor by busing the kids to a school 3 miles away.
Anonymous
01/24/2020 09:07
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Can you point me to this cost “analysis”?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Quantitative-Comparison-of-APS-School-Moves-Scenarios-v1.pdf
It’s not really clear who made it. Also, it’s not indicating no moves, just picking a different target. I think it looks like a McKinley product.
Got it. So, nothing truly new and based on the parent-created maps and a guess of what the APS boundary map would look like if a move were to happen.
Also, please stop telling lies that the Welcome Center is purposely not directing Spanish speaking families to immersion to drive down Key’s numbers, like it’s some evil conspiracy to make the move look like a better idea. Why would that employee want to do that? What benefit could that person possibly receive that would make such nefarious and devious behavior worth it?
Are they going to cover this chart in today's webinar? Curious to hear the APS staff address this...
It looks like APS staff created that chart -- the thing that is surprising is the boundary change only scenario looking so good. This combined building on Buck (which has been estimated really low, I think less than 10 million) makes it seem like they really don't need to move immersion.
I'm a big proponent of the move and part of me thinks that we should just bite the bullet here, but I really do feel like staff dug in early on (maybe because of mcCrazy) and its possible that there are better solutions that we aren't seeing because we aren't all working as a team. The posts here about how they are moving walkers from Key to Long Branch or ASF has me really concerned that the proposal map is just based off of nothing.
Anonymous
01/24/2020 08:58
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Can you point me to this cost “analysis”?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Quantitative-Comparison-of-APS-School-Moves-Scenarios-v1.pdf
It’s not really clear who made it. Also, it’s not indicating no moves, just picking a different target. I think it looks like a McKinley product.
Got it. So, nothing truly new and based on the parent-created maps and a guess of what the APS boundary map would look like if a move were to happen.
Also, please stop telling lies that the Welcome Center is purposely not directing Spanish speaking families to immersion to drive down Key’s numbers, like it’s some evil conspiracy to make the move look like a better idea. Why would that employee want to do that? What benefit could that person possibly receive that would make such nefarious and devious behavior worth it?
Are they going to cover this chart in today's webinar? Curious to hear the APS staff address this...
Anonymous
01/24/2020 08:09
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Can you point me to this cost “analysis”?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Quantitative-Comparison-of-APS-School-Moves-Scenarios-v1.pdf
It’s not really clear who made it. Also, it’s not indicating no moves, just picking a different target. I think it looks like a McKinley product.
Got it. So, nothing truly new and based on the parent-created maps and a guess of what the APS boundary map would look like if a move were to happen.
Also, please stop telling lies that the Welcome Center is purposely not directing Spanish speaking families to immersion to drive down Key’s numbers, like it’s some evil conspiracy to make the move look like a better idea. Why would that employee want to do that? What benefit could that person possibly receive that would make such nefarious and devious behavior worth it?
Anonymous
01/24/2020 07:56
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Can you point me to this cost “analysis”?
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Quantitative-Comparison-of-APS-School-Moves-Scenarios-v1.pdf
It’s not really clear who made it. Also, it’s not indicating no moves, just picking a different target. I think it looks like a McKinley product.
Anonymous
01/24/2020 07:50
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Can you point me to this cost “analysis”?
Anonymous
01/24/2020 07:41
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Then I hope you’ll enjoy having a bottom-of-the-barrel superintendent when the search is done. No competent candidate with touch APS if the SB cuts the office off at the knees in this process.
Anonymous
01/23/2020 23:46
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Since when did APS start going with the cheapest ideas?
Anonymous
01/23/2020 22:54
Subject: APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Did anyone see the analysis sheet up on the aps engage site? Looks like the key map is actually cheaper than the proposal. I support the moves, but honestly if I was a school board member, I would be questioning it at this point.
Anonymous
01/23/2020 22:40
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I"m so sick of all the concern trolling about access to transit. Nobody picks up their kids from extended day on transit. It just doesn't happen.
https://www.apsva.us/aps-go/2016-aps-go-surveys/
I do know a few parents who use the added bus commute to avoid extended day. I'm sure a few families would benefit in that way with the moves
Interesting that 20% of the staff at both Key and ATS use public transit or walk to get to work. I also noticed that the parental vs student responses slightly differed. What if it was raining on the day the "show-of-hands" survey. What's missing here is how the parents of students get to work, especially as Key and ATS are both along the Orange line.
And they same will be for whatever schools move into those buildings. The new staff will do the same because it’s an option. This isn’t shocking and will continue to be conveniently located to public transit and therefore whatever staff and students attend are more likely to use public transit and walk because the area is laid out to support it.
Anonymous
01/23/2020 20:59
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I"m so sick of all the concern trolling about access to transit. Nobody picks up their kids from extended day on transit. It just doesn't happen.
https://www.apsva.us/aps-go/2016-aps-go-surveys/
I do know a few parents who use the added bus commute to avoid extended day. I'm sure a few families would benefit in that way with the moves
Interesting that 20% of the staff at both Key and ATS use public transit or walk to get to work. I also noticed that the parental vs student responses slightly differed. What if it was raining on the day the "show-of-hands" survey. What's missing here is how the parents of students get to work, especially as Key and ATS are both along the Orange line.
Anonymous
01/23/2020 18:35
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
APS seems to make a lot of mistakes.
Anonymous
01/23/2020 18:31
Subject: Re:APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?
Anonymous wrote:I"m so sick of all the concern trolling about access to transit. Nobody picks up their kids from extended day on transit. It just doesn't happen.
https://www.apsva.us/aps-go/2016-aps-go-surveys/
I do know a few parents who use the added bus commute to avoid extended day. I'm sure a few families would benefit in that way with the moves