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Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

They had something and Trump did a 180 and so McConnell scrapped it. So I guess those that voted for Trump feel that these are successful negotiation tactics?

The gang of six never had majority support much less 60 votes in the Senate. They tried to get Trumps endorsement for their plan BEFORE they had a workable coalition and Trump wasn't having it. They played themselves. Trump has made it very clear he will sign any bill Congress brings to him. It's not Trumps job to corral 60 votes. It's not McConnells either because why should McConnell try to pass Schumers bill? I.e. a cr which includes DACA. It's Schumers task to get 60 votes for the proposal Schumer wants, and they simply don't exist.

Trump has made nothing “clear.” He has literally changed his position on these issues in hours or days. McConnell is strapped because he doesn’t know what the president will sign. There are MULTIPLE routes to compromise here, and McConnell will not move forward. Even a no strings push to get 5 days and then get to bipartisan agreement was rejected by McC. Even a no strings bill to get military service members paid regardless, was rejected.

Virginia. New Jersey. Alabama.Wisconsin.

See you at the polls.





Trump will certainly sign a CR that doesn't include DACA. DACA can be left for another day. Schumer doesn't want to do that simply because on the merits of immigration reform as a stand alone issue, the left lacks support for what it wants to do. Thus Schumers play is to leverage a shut down to get an immigration reform bill that he would never be able to get on it's own merits. However this is not a matter of principle for schumer thus he has no sustainable negotiating position on the shut down. That's why he will cave but try to spin his caving as a win.

We will see who gets the last laugh on November 6. And I dare say Che knew more about governing and leadership than the shithole currently occupying the WH. Che didn’t need to payoff porn actresses.

That is the problem. The GOP has punted both DACA and CHIP down the road to use as political chits. They have no intention of dealing with the issue because they don't care about poor children or the Dreamers. They like to claim they do, but the really don't.

That's what elections are for and if you win in 2018 you can try to get legislation you want. You couldn't even when Obama was president. In the.meantime you shut down the.government because you don't have the votes for the reforms you want yet think that's going to help you win in 2018. It won't. Adopting centrist positions on immigration issues might help you win but then you would have to burn your Che Guevara T shirt.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

They had something and Trump did a 180 and so McConnell scrapped it. So I guess those that voted for Trump feel that these are successful negotiation tactics?

The gang of six never had majority support much less 60 votes in the Senate. They tried to get Trumps endorsement for their plan BEFORE they had a workable coalition and Trump wasn't having it. They played themselves. Trump has made it very clear he will sign any bill Congress brings to him. It's not Trumps job to corral 60 votes. It's not McConnells either because why should McConnell try to pass Schumers bill? I.e. a cr which includes DACA. It's Schumers task to get 60 votes for the proposal Schumer wants, and they simply don't exist.

Trump has made nothing “clear.” He has literally changed his position on these issues in hours or days. McConnell is strapped because he doesn’t know what the president will sign. There are MULTIPLE routes to compromise here, and McConnell will not move forward. Even a no strings push to get 5 days and then get to bipartisan agreement was rejected by McC. Even a no strings bill to get military service members paid regardless, was rejected.

Trump will certainly sign a CR that doesn't include DACA. DACA can be left for another day. Schumer doesn't want to do that simply because on the merits of immigration reform as a stand alone issue, the left lacks support for what it wants to do. Thus Schumers play is to leverage a shut down to get an immigration reform bill that he would never be able to get on it's own merits. However this is not a matter of principle for schumer thus he has no sustainable negotiating position on the shut down. That's why he will cave but try to spin his caving as a win.

We will see who gets the last laugh on November 6. And I dare say Che knew more about governing and leadership than the shithole currently occupying the WH. Che didn’t need to payoff porn actresses.

That is the problem. The GOP has punted both DACA and CHIP down the road to use as political chits. They have no intention of dealing with the issue because they don't care about poor children or the Dreamers. They like to claim they do, but the really don't.

That's what elections are for and if you win in 2018 you can try to get legislation you want. You couldn't even when Obama was president. In the.meantime you shut down the.government because you don't have the votes for the reforms you want yet think that's going to help you win in 2018. It won't. Adopting centrist positions on immigration issues might help you win but then you would have to burn your Che Guevara T shirt.

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

No one claims republicans are entitled to 60 votes. You don't understand what negotiation means. Trump has no reason to make any concessions to Schumer as Schumer has no actual ability to pass anything. Schumer is on his own with this.

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Anonymous wrote:The inability to “compromise” and understand the “other side” even on DCUM is pretty reflective of what is going on in Congress right now, and makes me think this shut down could be a doozy.

Yes. I hope this vote tonight passes and I can go to a regular work day tomorrow, but I'm not optimistic. I think I might be home for a loooooong time.

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

No one claims republicans are entitled to 60 votes. You don't understand what negotiation means. Trump has no reason to make any concessions to Schumer as Schumer has no actual ability to pass anything. Schumer is on his own with this.

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That's what elections are for and if you win in 2018 you can try to get legislation you want. You couldn't even when Obama was president. In the.meantime you shut down the.government because you don't have the votes for the reforms you want yet think that's going to help you win in 2018. It won't. Adopting centrist positions on immigration issues might help you win but then you would have to burn your Che Guevara T shirt.

Legislation comes from the Congress. If the Congress refuses to bring bills sponsored by the executive to the floor for a vote, then you force the executive to do what they can be legal means via Executive Order.

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

No one claims republicans are entitled to 60 votes. You don't understand what negotiation means. Trump has no reason to make any concessions to Schumer as Schumer has no actual ability to pass anything. Schumer is on his own with this.

Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

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Anonymous wrote:The actions in the House yesterday by the Left was sad. Twice they requested that the words of Congressman get pulled back only to later rescind the request. They are sore losers who use parliamentary procedures to disrupt instead of running on ideas. The Democratic party will be a non factor for years or perhaps decades to come.

Da, Ivan. Now go back to your borscht.

Who is Ivan and what is borscht? Try as you may lefties with your Russian rhetoric, it's as fake as the collusion... err obstruction... err fill in the blank motive to impeach Trump.

Ask Hannity to come up with some better talking points for you next time.

Anonymous wrote:The inability to “compromise” and understand the “other side” even on DCUM is pretty reflective of what is going on in Congress right now, and makes me think this shut down could be a doozy.

Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

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That's what elections are for and if you win in 2018 you can try to get legislation you want. You couldn't even when Obama was president. In the.meantime you shut down the.government because you don't have the votes for the reforms you want yet think that's going to help you win in 2018. It won't. Adopting centrist positions on immigration issues might help you win but then you would have to burn your Che Guevara T shirt.