Anonymous
Post 08/18/2017 21:00     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:21:11 makes Charlottesville sound dumb.
I'm not buying that.


It's a very common governance structure in VA. See Snopes, " why the claim that the mayor issued a stand-down order which police were required to obey is not possible: The city operates under a council-manager form of municipal government, meaning the city manager functions as the executive. Under this system, the mayor is selected by the City Council, not voters. The role rotates and is mostly ceremonial in its duties. Thus, Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer would not have had the authority to issue a “stand-down” order to the police."

So, the stand down order is a myth. More generally it does seem that the police did not intervene strongly enough at certain points, and I think it's open to debate why - lack of experience in these incidents, plan A (separating protest groups) broke down and no Plan B, antipathy to white supremacists, presence of heavily armed militias, etc.

For more on various rumors surrounding policing at Cville, Snopes has an extensive sourced entry - http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/

The police chief would have nothing to gain from such a gross failure. McAuliffe, on the other hand, propelled himself to the international stage. He was no doubt involved in discussions before the event.

Governor McAuliffe will not denounce the altleft terror group, Antifa.

The Mayor will be holding a news conference today. Will he dare to denounce Antifa? The WS will take advantage of this cowardly puppet. Grab your popcorn. Not.


Why is terrorizing Nazis a bad thing?


Antifa terrorizing innocent college students across America is not only a very BAD thing, it's criminal.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2017 07:07     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:21:11 makes Charlottesville sound dumb.
I'm not buying that.


It's a very common governance structure in VA. See Snopes, " why the claim that the mayor issued a stand-down order which police were required to obey is not possible: The city operates under a council-manager form of municipal government, meaning the city manager functions as the executive. Under this system, the mayor is selected by the City Council, not voters. The role rotates and is mostly ceremonial in its duties. Thus, Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer would not have had the authority to issue a “stand-down” order to the police."

So, the stand down order is a myth. More generally it does seem that the police did not intervene strongly enough at certain points, and I think it's open to debate why - lack of experience in these incidents, plan A (separating protest groups) broke down and no Plan B, antipathy to white supremacists, presence of heavily armed militias, etc.

For more on various rumors surrounding policing at Cville, Snopes has an extensive sourced entry - http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/

The police chief would have nothing to gain from such a gross failure. McAuliffe, on the other hand, propelled himself to the international stage. He was no doubt involved in discussions before the event.

Governor McAuliffe will not denounce the altleft terror group, Antifa.

The Mayor will be holding a news conference today. Will he dare to denounce Antifa? The WS will take advantage of this cowardly puppet. Grab your popcorn. Not.


Why is terrorizing Nazis a bad thing?
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2017 07:03     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:21:11 makes Charlottesville sound dumb.
I'm not buying that.


It's a very common governance structure in VA. See Snopes, " why the claim that the mayor issued a stand-down order which police were required to obey is not possible: The city operates under a council-manager form of municipal government, meaning the city manager functions as the executive. Under this system, the mayor is selected by the City Council, not voters. The role rotates and is mostly ceremonial in its duties. Thus, Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer would not have had the authority to issue a “stand-down” order to the police."

So, the stand down order is a myth. More generally it does seem that the police did not intervene strongly enough at certain points, and I think it's open to debate why - lack of experience in these incidents, plan A (separating protest groups) broke down and no Plan B, antipathy to white supremacists, presence of heavily armed militias, etc.

For more on various rumors surrounding policing at Cville, Snopes has an extensive sourced entry - http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/

The police chief would have nothing to gain from such a gross failure. McAuliffe, on the other hand, propelled himself to the international stage. He was no doubt involved in discussions before the event.

Governor McAuliffe will not denounce the altleft terror group, Antifa.

The Mayor will be holding a news conference today. Will he dare to denounce Antifa? The WS will take advantage of this cowardly puppet. Grab your popcorn. Not.

That's because he doesn't want to alienate the far-left since he needs the votes for his presidential run. But when Trump doesn't denounce the far-right strongly enough, the liberals pounce.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2017 07:01     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why did the Mayor of Charlottesville not allow his police department to protect the citizens when the violence started?

I hope every single victim of violence that day, sues that Democrat Mayor of Charlottesville.

That's what they're doing across the country, where the cops were ordered by liberal mayors, to standby and watch the violence, "until there seems to be imminent death".



I wonder this too. And McAuliffe. Where was the National Guard?

Same with the mayor of Baltimore saying we needed to give the thugs "space to destroy." I think they must be the grown-up children of liberal parents who didn't want to quash their children's "creativity" by disciplining them for poor behavior. Don't we have another thread about children running wild in restaurants? Sometimes "NO" is the right word.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2017 06:35     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:21:11 makes Charlottesville sound dumb.
I'm not buying that.


It's a very common governance structure in VA. See Snopes, " why the claim that the mayor issued a stand-down order which police were required to obey is not possible: The city operates under a council-manager form of municipal government, meaning the city manager functions as the executive. Under this system, the mayor is selected by the City Council, not voters. The role rotates and is mostly ceremonial in its duties. Thus, Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer would not have had the authority to issue a “stand-down” order to the police."

So, the stand down order is a myth. More generally it does seem that the police did not intervene strongly enough at certain points, and I think it's open to debate why - lack of experience in these incidents, plan A (separating protest groups) broke down and no Plan B, antipathy to white supremacists, presence of heavily armed militias, etc.

For more on various rumors surrounding policing at Cville, Snopes has an extensive sourced entry - http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/

The police chief would have nothing to gain from such a gross failure. McAuliffe, on the other hand, propelled himself to the international stage. He was no doubt involved in discussions before the event.

Governor McAuliffe will not denounce the altleft terror group, Antifa.

The Mayor will be holding a news conference today. Will he dare to denounce Antifa? The WS will take advantage of this cowardly puppet. Grab your popcorn. Not.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 22:30     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:21:11 makes Charlottesville sound dumb.
I'm not buying that.


It's a very common governance structure in VA. See Snopes, " why the claim that the mayor issued a stand-down order which police were required to obey is not possible: The city operates under a council-manager form of municipal government, meaning the city manager functions as the executive. Under this system, the mayor is selected by the City Council, not voters. The role rotates and is mostly ceremonial in its duties. Thus, Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer would not have had the authority to issue a “stand-down” order to the police."

So, the stand down order is a myth. More generally it does seem that the police did not intervene strongly enough at certain points, and I think it's open to debate why - lack of experience in these incidents, plan A (separating protest groups) broke down and no Plan B, antipathy to white supremacists, presence of heavily armed militias, etc.

For more on various rumors surrounding policing at Cville, Snopes has an extensive sourced entry - http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 21:15     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

21:11 makes Charlottesville sound dumb.
I'm not buying that.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 21:11     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why did the Mayor of Charlottesville not allow his police department to protect the citizens when the violence started?

I hope every single victim of violence that day, sues that Democrat Mayor of Charlottesville.

That's what they're doing across the country, where the cops were ordered by liberal mayors, to standby and watch the violence, "until there seems to be imminent death".



I wonder this too. And McAuliffe. Where was the National Guard?


Neither the Mayor nor the Governor has any authority over the Charlottesville police. Charlottesville (as in many places in Virginia) has a council-manager style of governance. The city manager enacts the wishes of the city council. The city manager would be the one to give orders to the police if necessary; the mayor has no authority over the police, nor does the state governor. The governor has authority of the NationalGuard once a state of emergency is declared and the Guard's help is sought. This did not happen until 11 am on Sat.

White Nationalists want to build a story that the Mayor ordered them not to be defended, perhaps because he is Jewish and it fits in with their idea that Jews run everything and that the Jews are globalists with no loyalty to nation, they want to destroy nationalists.

The whole Mayor ordered a stand down story is not correct.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 20:00     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:Why did the Mayor of Charlottesville not allow his police department to protect the citizens when the violence started?

I hope every single victim of violence that day, sues that Democrat Mayor of Charlottesville.

That's what they're doing across the country, where the cops were ordered by liberal mayors, to standby and watch the violence, "until there seems to be imminent death".


SP. This has begun in CA.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 19:58     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-white-virginia-rally-20170811-story.html

The ACLU filed a lawsuit protecting the right of the Nazi's to do their homage at the public park.

The killer was an ISIS copycat.


And the new killer in Barcelona is a White supremacist copycat, right?

ISIS has been mowing down people for years. ISIS has zero interest in how a white girl got killed by a white boy in Charlottesville, VA. Believe me.


I suspect ISIS is very interested in anything that makes the US more fragmented. Their ultimate goal is to create a caliphate and dissension helps that goal

Sorry. They don't need your crazy white boy.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 19:50     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-white-virginia-rally-20170811-story.html

The ACLU filed a lawsuit protecting the right of the Nazi's to do their homage at the public park.

The killer was an ISIS copycat.


And the new killer in Barcelona is a White supremacist copycat, right?

ISIS has been mowing down people for years. ISIS has zero interest in how a white girl got killed by a white boy in Charlottesville, VA. Believe me.


I suspect ISIS is very interested in anything that makes the US more fragmented. Their ultimate goal is to create a caliphate and dissension helps that goal
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 19:44     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-white-virginia-rally-20170811-story.html

The ACLU filed a lawsuit protecting the right of the Nazi's to do their homage at the public park.

The killer was an ISIS copycat.


And the new killer in Barcelona is a White supremacist copycat, right?

ISIS has been mowing down people for years. ISIS has zero interest in how a white girl got killed by a white boy in Charlottesville, VA. Believe me.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 19:31     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-white-virginia-rally-20170811-story.html

The ACLU filed a lawsuit protecting the right of the Nazi's to do their homage at the public park.

The killer was an ISIS copycat.


And the new killer in Barcelona is a White supremacist copycat, right?
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 19:03     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-white-virginia-rally-20170811-story.html

The ACLU filed a lawsuit protecting the right of the Nazi's to do their homage at the public park.

The killer was an ISIS copycat.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2017 00:12     Subject: Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one from the administration attended the funeral. No one. Couldn't have Pence at least have gone?


No, he's in South America on buisiness. But he is cutting his trip short to come back early to meet with Trump at Camp David this weekend. And he's also cancelling his prior planned obligations. Hmm, wonder what's up with that?

No, wrong thread, PP. We have a different thread for that.