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Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

My interpretation of that this statement is that Trump was asked to cooperate and refused.

But he hasn't refused. In fact, he was cooperating with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Garland was smoked out. And personally approved the raid.

Smoked out implies he did something wrong. He didn’t.

Took him four days - FOUR DAYS to come out and admit that he personally signed off.

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Anonymous wrote:Garland was smoked out. And personally approved the raid.

Smoked out implies he did something wrong. He didn’t.

Took him four days - FOUR DAYS to come out and admit that he personally signed off.

And how many days did Trump have to return the stolen docs? Hmmm?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garland was smoked out. And personally approved the raid.

Smoked out implies he did something wrong. He didn’t.

Took him four days - FOUR DAYS to come out and admit that he personally signed off.

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Anonymous wrote:In early June he was asked to padlock the room. He heard nothing else and then the raid.I find it VERY hard to see how this shows that the DOJ had no other way to enforce the subpoena. This is a political witch hunt and it is going to be very hard for Garland to ever be viewed as a-political again. This is banana republic communist type stuff and if you can't see it, you are the people who were fine with things like Chernobyl and pograms and death camps. You are the ones who are so allegiant to your party and not to principles of freedom and democracy.

He was subpoenaed first!!!!
Subpoena Preceded Search Warrant in Push to Retrieve Material From Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/us/politics/trump-fbi-subpoena.html

Uhh. You are so thick. They asked him to put a lock on it. And he did and showed confirmation of the lock. That implies they will tell him what to do with the documents next. And they didn't. And they didn't come back until the raid. I mean, let's assume all the material is classified. If so, H=he SHOULD keep them safe and they should only be transferred to those with an appropriate clearance with appropriate chain of custody. He can't just put the documents in the mail or send them with UPS. SO if it is true that DOJ said "put a lock on them" and he did that, then if they didn't follow up with more instruction and jumped to a raid, this is crazy.

This is daft. The documents were required to be returned pursuant to a valid subpoena, notwithstanding the fact it was illegal to remove them in the first instance. Trump opted to keep classified materials in a non secured faculty for months thereafter. His lawyers could have notified NARA, or better yet NSD, at any time to come collect the documents. They chose not to take steps necessary to protect a national security risk. This comes in the wake of a spate of stories of unauthorized copies of NSA materials being sent to the WH in the last days of the administration by hacks Patel and Cohen-Watnick.

Years ago I worked at a defense contractor. One of our employees took a bunch of classified documents home. When we found out, we immediately reported it to DoD as we were required to do. The FBI was at her house within 24 hours with a warrant. No negotiations, no subpoenas. They just kicked in her door and took the documents back. She also lost her clearance and we fired her. Don't know if she was prosecuted. That's what happens to normal people who do this stuff. Trump got velvet glove treatment.

Yup, I know of similar situation except the person accidentally took an electronic form of documents home. Didn’t matter that it was unintentional. Lost their job, clearance and feds were at their house immediately as well.

They bent over backwards to get trump to return the documents quietly. He brought this on himself.

Should he have mailed them? Isn't it their job to get them back physically?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garland was smoked out. And personally approved the raid.

Smoked out implies he did something wrong. He didn’t.

Took him four days - FOUR DAYS to come out and admit that he personally signed off.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garland was smoked out. And personally approved the raid.

Smoked out implies he did something wrong. He didn’t.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early June he was asked to padlock the room. He heard nothing else and then the raid.I find it VERY hard to see how this shows that the DOJ had no other way to enforce the subpoena. This is a political witch hunt and it is going to be very hard for Garland to ever be viewed as a-political again. This is banana republic communist type stuff and if you can't see it, you are the people who were fine with things like Chernobyl and pograms and death camps. You are the ones who are so allegiant to your party and not to principles of freedom and democracy.

He was subpoenaed first!!!!
Subpoena Preceded Search Warrant in Push to Retrieve Material From Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/us/politics/trump-fbi-subpoena.html

Uhh. You are so thick. They asked him to put a lock on it. And he did and showed confirmation of the lock. That implies they will tell him what to do with the documents next. And they didn't. And they didn't come back until the raid. I mean, let's assume all the material is classified. If so, H=he SHOULD keep them safe and they should only be transferred to those with an appropriate clearance with appropriate chain of custody. He can't just put the documents in the mail or send them with UPS. SO if it is true that DOJ said "put a lock on them" and he did that, then if they didn't follow up with more instruction and jumped to a raid, this is crazy.

This is daft. The documents were required to be returned pursuant to a valid subpoena, notwithstanding the fact it was illegal to remove them in the first instance. Trump opted to keep classified materials in a non secured faculty for months thereafter. His lawyers could have notified NARA, or better yet NSD, at any time to come collect the documents. They chose not to take steps necessary to protect a national security risk. This comes in the wake of a spate of stories of unauthorized copies of NSA materials being sent to the WH in the last days of the administration by hacks Patel and Cohen-Watnick.

Years ago I worked at a defense contractor. One of our employees took a bunch of classified documents home. When we found out, we immediately reported it to DoD as we were required to do. The FBI was at her house within 24 hours with a warrant. No negotiations, no subpoenas. They just kicked in her door and took the documents back. She also lost her clearance and we fired her. Don't know if she was prosecuted. That's what happens to normal people who do this stuff. Trump got velvet glove treatment.

Yup, I know of similar situation except the person accidentally took an electronic form of documents home. Didn’t matter that it was unintentional. Lost their job, clearance and feds were at their house immediately as well.

They bent over backwards to get trump to return the documents quietly. He brought this on himself.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

My interpretation of that this statement is that Trump was asked to cooperate and refused.

But he hasn't refused. In fact, he was cooperating with them.

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Anonymous wrote:The National Security Division/Counterintelligence Section requested that the basement storage locker be secured. This is unprecedented in US history. And in a written response Trump — through his lawyers — gave what was tantamount to the double bird, even though they put on a bigger lock. Trumpworld was itching for a fight.

The lock they installed was so good they had to break the doorframe itself to gain entry.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's playing his old game and has started selectively leaking what's on the inventory to his old friend Maggie Haberman.

But the inventory provided to Mr. Trump’s team does reference an array of sensitive material, according to a person with knowledge of the matter. For example, it alludes to miscellaneous confidential documents as well some labeled “top secret.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/us/politics/trump-fbi-subpoena.html

Softening the blow

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, here is the thing. IF this is a big deal and shows Trump was colluding with Russia (which is what all you LWNJ are saying), then why has it been all nicey nicey for weeks between Trump and DOJ until now. If, on the other hand, this is about returning documents to the national archives, then this is so much overreach that it is in fact the bullying of a potential political rival. Garland said the warrant was necessary because it wasn't possible to any other route. He is saying that this was the ONLY way to move ahead. Garland just put himself into a tiny box.

My interpretation of that this statement is that Trump was asked to cooperate and refused.

But he hasn't refused. In fact, he was cooperating with them.

Anonymous wrote:Trump's playing his old game and has started selectively leaking what's on the inventory to his old friend Maggie Haberman.

But the inventory provided to Mr. Trump’s team does reference an array of sensitive material, according to a person with knowledge of the matter. For example, it alludes to miscellaneous confidential documents as well some labeled “top secret.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/us/politics/trump-fbi-subpoena.html