Anonymous wrote:Another health problem in Seattle that has been buried in the COVID-19 news.

Tuberculosis.

On February 28 a Microsoft vendor in Redmond WA (King County) was found to have active TB, and TB tests were order on another 150 vendors.

King County has 100,000 cases of latent TB, about 10 percent of which will develop TB.

I have no idea what happens when a person with latent TB acquires coronavirus. I was googling because I have latent TB.

https://q13fox.com/2020/02/28/150-people-require-tb-testing-after-microsoft-vendor-diagnosed-with-active-tuberculosis/

Anonymous wrote:I have a friend in MoCo in her 60s who was hit with a crazy bad bronchial illness last month, started to feel better, then was hit with a second wave that was even worse. She says they did bloodwork and diagnosed her with the flu, but it's pretty much exactly the timeline of the Christ Church rector (minus the contact with 550 people).

The virus has not been in circulation worldwide for 4 months. 2 1/2 weeks ago Italy had 3 cases and no deaths. Why don't you check out what those numbers are now?

No one is panicking. We want a proactive strategy that prevents it from getting out of hand. Test, identify, isolate, treat, and cancel events with large crowds. If there's evidence of multiple branches of community transmission in a community, then look at stricter strategies like closing schools and businesses.

Protect the elderly - their death rate >15%, which is much higher than their death rate from seasonal flu.

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Anonymous wrote:There haven't been any hot spots in quite awhile - since Iran or Italy. So far very few outbreak areas. A good sign.

If this was really snowballing, we would see continuous new hot spots developing around the world but we are mostly seeing a more typical flu season like pattern.

There is a lag. 14 days of incubating and infecting others, then symptoms.

That’s why we got to get our test kit numbers up and make shift testing and hospital beds up, plus respirators, masks, gloves, disinfectants.

And people have to do their part too, minimize social interactions and number of people you’re exposed to per day. Esp new people.

We would already be seeing huge numbers in hospitals and deaths...this virus has been infecting people in China since at least early November if not earlier. There are thousands of flights from China to around the world from November through the end of January. Yet there are only 3800 deaths worldwide and 3100 of them are in China where the virus originated and only two other countries have more than 100 deaths.

Don't forget the flu kills 35,000 Americans annually - 25,500 of them over 65.
This virus, despite being in circulation for more than 4 months during the virus season has only killed 3800 people worldwide and most of those are at the site where the virus originated.
The mass panic is really not warranted. Take precautions as you would to avoid getting sick - your elderly parents are still far more likely to die from the regular flu than from CoV2.

The virus has not been in circulation worldwide for 4 months. 2 1/2 weeks ago Italy had 3 cases and no deaths. Why don't you check out what those numbers are now?

No one is panicking. We want a proactive strategy that prevents it from getting out of hand. Test, identify, isolate, treat, and cancel events with large crowds. If there's evidence of multiple branches of community transmission in a community, then look at stricter strategies like closing schools and businesses.

Protect the elderly - their death rate >15%, which is much higher than their death rate from seasonal flu.

Anonymous wrote:I have a friend in MoCo in her 60s who was hit with a crazy bad bronchial illness last month, started to feel better, then was hit with a second wave that was even worse. She says they did bloodwork and diagnosed her with the flu, but it's pretty much exactly the timeline of the Christ Church rector (minus the contact with 550 people).

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Anonymous wrote:German cases increased 25% today.

200 new cases, 1018 total.

And zero deaths. That is the critical factor.

That is encouraging. Thanks for sharing that. These threads have me increasingly anxious.

Sorry to give you a different point of view.

Reddit is full of German posters decrying the strict testing policies in most (not all) areas of Germany. They are completely incredulous that there are zero deaths in Germany. People who were admitted to the hospital with pneumonia without having been tested are being recorded as flu deaths. Unlike Spain, Germany has done no retrospective testing of untested pneumonia deaths.

How many recent elderly pneumonia deaths in the US do you think may have been covid19?

This. I think it has been widespread in the US for months and they did not test so they could blame it on the flu. They know people would not panic with the flu because they would have felt safer with a flu shot. Perhaps all these flu deaths they have been telling us about were really coronavirus deaths and elderly people could have been saved if they knew to isolate at home. People were traveling back in forth from China in December and it would have gotten here fast. I think the US is responsible for not testing sooner and given those at risk a better chance to save themselves.

If it has been widespread in the US for months, we would have heard about it. The hospitals, and particularly ICUs would have been overwhelmed and death rates would have soared. Deaths from flu are all tracked as well. There would have been a major health crisis given the 20% hospitalization rate - most with significant respiratory problems.

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Anonymous wrote:There haven't been any hot spots in quite awhile - since Iran or Italy. So far very few outbreak areas. A good sign.

If this was really snowballing, we would see continuous new hot spots developing around the world but we are mostly seeing a more typical flu season like pattern.

There is a lag. 14 days of incubating and infecting others, then symptoms.

That’s why we got to get our test kit numbers up and make shift testing and hospital beds up, plus respirators, masks, gloves, disinfectants.

And people have to do their part too, minimize social interactions and number of people you’re exposed to per day. Esp new people.

We would already be seeing huge numbers in hospitals and deaths...this virus has been infecting people in China since at least early November if not earlier. There are thousands of flights from China to around the world from November through the end of January. Yet there are only 3800 deaths worldwide and 3100 of them are in China where the virus originated and only two other countries have more than 100 deaths.

Don't forget the flu kills 35,000 Americans annually - 25,500 of them over 65.
This virus, despite being in circulation for more than 4 months during the virus season has only killed 3800 people worldwide and most of those are at the site where the virus originated.
The mass panic is really not warranted. Take precautions as you would to avoid getting sick - your elderly parents are still far more likely to die from the regular flu than from CoV2.

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Anonymous wrote:German cases increased 25% today.

200 new cases, 1018 total.

And zero deaths. That is the critical factor.

That is encouraging. Thanks for sharing that. These threads have me increasingly anxious.

Sorry to give you a different point of view.

Reddit is full of German posters decrying the strict testing policies in most (not all) areas of Germany. They are completely incredulous that there are zero deaths in Germany. People who were admitted to the hospital with pneumonia without having been tested are being recorded as flu deaths. Unlike Spain, Germany has done no retrospective testing of untested pneumonia deaths.

How many recent elderly pneumonia deaths in the US do you think may have been covid19?

This. I think it has been widespread in the US for months and they did not test so they could blame it on the flu. They know people would not panic with the flu because they would have felt safer with a flu shot. Perhaps all these flu deaths they have been telling us about were really coronavirus deaths and elderly people could have been saved if they knew to isolate at home. People were traveling back in forth from China in December and it would have gotten here fast. I think the US is responsible for not testing sooner and given those at risk a better chance to save themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Australia has reversed its testing policy.

It is urging anyone with a flu-like symptom to get tested. Previously, testing was advised only for those with travel to a hotspot or who had contact with a confirmed case.

The health minister is now saying the government would rather overtest than undertest. "Get yourself tested."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/get-yourself-tested-coronavirus-health-advice-updated-for-sick-australians-20200308-p54800.html

This is what the US should do also. It's what Korea did, their case numbers are going down and their CFR is under 1%.

+1

But that would require test kits and competent leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:German cases increased 25% today.

200 new cases, 1018 total.

And zero deaths. That is the critical factor.

That is encouraging. Thanks for sharing that. These threads have me increasingly anxious.

Sorry to give you a different point of view.

Reddit is full of German posters decrying the strict testing policies in most (not all) areas of Germany. They are completely incredulous that there are zero deaths in Germany. People who were admitted to the hospital with pneumonia without having been tested are being recorded as flu deaths. Unlike Spain, Germany has done no retrospective testing of untested pneumonia deaths.

How many recent elderly pneumonia deaths in the US do you think may have been covid19?

This. I think it has been widespread in the US for months and they did not test so they could blame it on the flu. They know people would not panic with the flu because they would have felt safer with a flu shot. Perhaps all these flu deaths they have been telling us about were really coronavirus deaths and elderly people could have been saved if they knew to isolate at home. People were traveling back in forth from China in December and it would have gotten here fast. I think the US is responsible for not testing sooner and given those at risk a better chance to save themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:There haven't been any hot spots in quite awhile - since Iran or Italy. So far very few outbreak areas. A good sign.

If this was really snowballing, we would see continuous new hot spots developing around the world but we are mostly seeing a more typical flu season like pattern.

There is a lag. 14 days of incubating and infecting others, then symptoms.

That’s why we got to get our test kit numbers up and make shift testing and hospital beds up, plus respirators, masks, gloves, disinfectants.

And people have to do their part too, minimize social interactions and number of people you’re exposed to per day. Esp new people.

Anonymous wrote:Places to watch:

Switzerland--has a population one-tenth of Germany's and yet its cases are one-third of Germany's. Trains are still running regularly between Milan and Switzerland.

Egypt--Insisted it had only two cases for a very long time even as cases were popping up in Canada, the US and elsewhere where their only travel had been to Germany. Likely only tested crew of Nile river cruise after several cases elsewhere were identified. Went from 2 cases (from a while back) as of Thursday to 49 today. That is combined with little confidence in the numbers and poor health care.

I'd also be watching Sweden and Norway (Finland canceled defense exercises with the latter over corona virus), Netherlands, and Belgium.

India is on my watch list despite a relatively small number of cases (39) relative to population because spread could become very rapid and India provides back office services to the world.

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Anonymous wrote:German cases increased 25% today.

200 new cases, 1018 total.

And zero deaths. That is the critical factor.

That is encouraging. Thanks for sharing that. These threads have me increasingly anxious.

Sorry to give you a different point of view.

Reddit is full of German posters decrying the strict testing policies in most (not all) areas of Germany. They are completely incredulous that there are zero deaths in Germany. People who were admitted to the hospital with pneumonia without having been tested are being recorded as flu deaths. Unlike Spain, Germany has done no retrospective testing of untested pneumonia deaths.

How many recent elderly pneumonia deaths in the US do you think may have been covid19?