Anonymous
05/26/2019 12:31
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:
One can only wonder... if abortion is no longer available as birth control, how many fewer unwanted pregnancies might there be?
The answer is zero. There will be zero fewer unwanted pregnancies. We know there will be more. We go through this exercise a lot. Cannot wait for those kids to grow up knowing no one wanted them!
Anonymous
05/26/2019 12:29
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
One can only wonder... if abortion is no longer available as birth control, how many fewer unwanted pregnancies might there be?
Anonymous
05/26/2019 12:07
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
so after it's illegal, what will we do with all the unwanted children born to moms who can't take care of them? Are we going to give them mom-friendly jobs? What if the mom is a 13year old? How do we make the dads support them? What if the dads run off to another state? Are we going to have orphanages staffed with caretakers to help out?
Anonymous
05/26/2019 11:48
Subject: Re:Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Truly awful story of an OB in Kansas being required by hospital lawyers to speak with the legislator of an anti-abortion bill before being allowed to perform the procedure on a critically ill patient.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/opinion/abortion-laws.html
I was asked to perform an abortion for a very sick pregnant women in her first trimester. She had a medical condition that was deteriorating much more rapidly than expected because of her pregnancy. She was not seconds away from dying, but her medical specialists were concerned that, in the next day or two, she would be likely to develop kidney failure.
While kidney failure can be managed with dialysis, preventing that from happening is the best medical course. Not only in the short term, but saving my patient’s kidneys also would prevent a cascade of medical events that could end her life prematurely in the long term. After all, life expectancy is shorter on dialysis. That’s why we do renal transplants.
My patient’s specialists believed that, if she were not pregnant, they might be able to avoid dialysis. Ending her pregnancy would not save her life that day, but it might next week or next month or in five years. We don’t have crystal balls in medicine, so we often can’t say with certainty who will deteriorate with a given medical condition or precisely when.
But that year, the Kansas legislature had passed a law banning abortions on state property, which included the medical center where I worked. But under the law, an abortion would be allowed to save the life of the pregnant woman.
So when I received a call asking whether I could help this patient, my next phone call was not to the operating room to make arrangements — instead I called the hospital’s attorneys. They did not know how to interpret the law either. Unless my patient was actively dying — for example, we were running a code for a cardiac arrest — an abortion would most likely be illegal. If I did the procedure, I would be fired.
To reconcile our disagreement, the hospital’s attorneys felt the only course of action was to get the opinion of the legislator who wrote the law. An attorney set up a conference call with this man so that I could plead my patient’s case.
I began to explain the medical situation, how ill she was. He interrupted me after a few seconds: “Whatever you think is best, doctor.”
My patient got the abortion and her health improved as a result. But I was furious. How dare some legislator applaud this monstrous law in public all the while deferring to a doctor’s expertise in private.
And yet I'm not surprised. I know someone who is extremely pro-life, does not believe in exceptions except for mother's life in imminent danger, yet when I suggested certain examples that might happen in real life, with detail, he flipped towards what he regarded as "common sense". I suspect this is often the case with other highly controversial issues--just like how conservatives in some red state town are dismayed when the undocumented guy who's run the local steakhouse for 20 years and is known for his volunteer work gets a deportation order. Hard to understand how the extreme points of view get their political attention.
Anonymous
05/26/2019 11:17
Subject: Re:Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
F that. Poverty is poverty.
If you don’t like abortions, then elect people who will help:
- sex education
- free/accessible health care
- free/accessible birth control (incl LARCs)
- maternity & paternity leave
- childcare
- etc.
If you want the baby to live, along with the father and the mother, then quit bitching and actually help the father and mother.
Honest Question:
How many of you got abortions because you didn’t have “sex education”?
What percentage of girls/women getting obortions seriously just didn’t know they might get pregnant if they have sex?
You are not going to find those women on DCUM. Some of them barely got an education at all sadly. Many live in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. You know, where they don't allow those kinds of discussions in schools. They don't even think evolution should be discussed.
Ahhh...once again, a post from an ignorant or purposefully biased DCUM poster who mentions Alabama and Mississippi. You think all the pregnant teens in big cities in the north and other areas are more informed? Or did you mean they're more informed about getting abortions?
Anonymous
05/26/2019 11:01
Subject: Re:Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
F that. Poverty is poverty.
If you don’t like abortions, then elect people who will help:
- sex education
- free/accessible health care
- free/accessible birth control (incl LARCs)
- maternity & paternity leave
- childcare
- etc.
If you want the baby to live, along with the father and the mother, then quit bitching and actually help the father and mother.
Honest Question:
How many of you got abortions because you didn’t have “sex education”?
What percentage of girls/women getting obortions seriously just didn’t know they might get pregnant if they have sex?
You are not going to find those women on DCUM. Some of them barely got an education at all sadly. Many live in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. You know, where they don't allow those kinds of discussions in schools. They don't even think evolution should be discussed.
But you WILL find plenty of women on DCUM (raises hand!) who were taught dysfunctional attitudes about sex that lead to poor choices. When sex education is considered controversial, messages are mixed (women are "sluts" but then you're bombarded with sexual images of women), and family conversation about sex is limited to "it's dangerous!" or just silence ... then girls and women do not develop the mindset to make rationale and responsible choices. One of the reasons the Netherlands has such a low unintended pregnancy rate is that Dutch families accept sex as normal and good and inevitable, and openly teach the value of responsibility.
Anonymous
05/26/2019 10:58
Subject: Re:Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
F that. Poverty is poverty.
If you don’t like abortions, then elect people who will help:
- sex education
- free/accessible health care
- free/accessible birth control (incl LARCs)
- maternity & paternity leave
- childcare
- etc.
If you want the baby to live, along with the father and the mother, then quit bitching and actually help the father and mother.
Honest Question:
How many of you got abortions because you didn’t have “sex education”?
What percentage of girls/women getting obortions seriously just didn’t know they might get pregnant if they have sex?
Honest answer: A whole lot. Read: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/15226785_Contraception_in_The_Netherlands_the_low_abortion_rate_explained
Also ... I feel like you can't have it both ways. You can't claim that getting rid of abortion is going to reduced unplanned pregnancy because women will change their behavior; and then ALSO claim that sex education and knowing how to access birth control has no impact on the unplanned pregnancy rate. If women "learn" to change their sexual behavior by not having access to abortion; then they also "learn" to prevent pregnancy through sex education and access to birth control. And obviously, the latter is much more likely to be successful, and less coercive. The rationale for banning abortion cannot be "teaching women a lesson."
Anonymous
05/26/2019 10:57
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/24/new-abortion-laws-are-especially-cruel-my-patients-with-high-risk-pregnancies/
This opinion piece, from a high-risk OB says it all: “You may say that no doctor in this situation would be prosecuted; regardless, those laws have an effect, because they exist. Laws such as those passed in Alabama, Missouri and Georgia create an incentive that divides us: I can take the best care of her or protect myself, but I can’t do both. This divergence of interests creates hesitation, and that hesitation creates delay; for some women, that delay will mean danger. It’s one thing to accompany a woman who chooses this narrow and dangerous path in accordance with her beliefs and hopes; it’s quite another to have forced her down it.”
Even in desperately wanted pregnancies, unanticipated complications can arise. This doctor’s primary goal is to get women to the finish line with a healthy baby, but that isn’t always possible. We have not tamed nature to the point where our health is guaranteed.
This opinion piece, from a high-risk OB says it all: “You may say that no doctor in this situation would be prosecuted; regardless, those laws have an effect, because they exist. Laws such as those passed in Alabama, Missouri and Georgia create an incentive that divides us: I can take the best care of her or protect myself, but I can’t do both. This divergence of interests creates hesitation, and that hesitation creates delay; for some women, that delay will mean danger. It’s one thing to accompany a woman who chooses this narrow and dangerous path in accordance with her beliefs and hopes; it’s quite another to have forced her down it.”
Even in desperately wanted pregnancies, unanticipated complications can arise. This doctor’s primary goal is to get women to the finish line with a healthy baby, but that isn’t always possible. We have not tamed nature to the point where our health is guaranteed.
Anonymous
05/26/2019 10:57
Subject: Re:Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
F that. Poverty is poverty.
If you don’t like abortions, then elect people who will help:
- sex education
- free/accessible health care
- free/accessible birth control (incl LARCs)
- maternity & paternity leave
- childcare
- etc.
If you want the baby to live, along with the father and the mother, then quit bitching and actually help the father and mother.
Honest Question:
How many of you got abortions because you didn’t have “sex education”?
What percentage of girls/women getting obortions seriously just didn’t know they might get pregnant if they have sex?
You are not going to find those women on DCUM. Some of them barely got an education at all sadly. Many live in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. You know, where they don't allow those kinds of discussions in schools. They don't even think evolution should be discussed.
Anonymous
05/26/2019 10:56
Subject: Re:Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
F that. Poverty is poverty.
If you don’t like abortions, then elect people who will help:
- sex education
- free/accessible health care
- free/accessible birth control (incl LARCs)
- maternity & paternity leave
- childcare
- etc.
If you want the baby to live, along with the father and the mother, then quit bitching and actually help the father and mother.
Honest Question:
How many of you got abortions because you didn’t have “sex education”?
What percentage of girls/women getting obortions seriously just didn’t know they might get pregnant if they have sex?
Honest answer: A whole lot. Read: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/15226785_Contraception_in_The_Netherlands_the_low_abortion_rate_explained
How about the cliff notes, in your own words...
Anonymous
05/26/2019 10:54
Subject: Re:Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
F that. Poverty is poverty.
If you don’t like abortions, then elect people who will help:
- sex education
- free/accessible health care
- free/accessible birth control (incl LARCs)
- maternity & paternity leave
- childcare
- etc.
If you want the baby to live, along with the father and the mother, then quit bitching and actually help the father and mother.
Honest Question:
How many of you got abortions because you didn’t have “sex education”?
What percentage of girls/women getting obortions seriously just didn’t know they might get pregnant if they have sex?
Honest answer: A whole lot. Read: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/15226785_Contraception_in_The_Netherlands_the_low_abortion_rate_explained
Anonymous
05/26/2019 10:53
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
What about the rights of the unborn life?
What rights do THEY have?
Anonymous
05/26/2019 10:47
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Abortions will always take place. Just not for the poor. This is just an attack on the poor. SOP for the GOP.
Murder will also always take place.
Work to make abortion rare. Why not??????
In a civilized society (which is what we should be aiming to be), rare is a good goal if the approach is to reduce unwanted pregnancies and increase support so that women choose to continue a pregnancy instead of having an abortion. It is most uncivilized to force a woman to continue a pregnancy simply because it is now illegal to have an abortion. That approach only seems to make our society much more uncivilized. Women should always have the option and society should be supportive such that women conclude that continuing a pregnancy is the wanted approach.
Anonymous
05/26/2019 10:43
Subject: Re:Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
F that. Poverty is poverty.
If you don’t like abortions, then elect people who will help:
- sex education
- free/accessible health care
- free/accessible birth control (incl LARCs)
- maternity & paternity leave
- childcare
- etc.
If you want the baby to live, along with the father and the mother, then quit bitching and actually help the father and mother.
Honest Question:
How many of you got abortions because you didn’t have “sex education”?
What percentage of girls/women getting obortions seriously just didn’t know they might get pregnant if they have sex?
Anonymous
05/26/2019 10:37
Subject: Re:Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
F that. Poverty is poverty.
If you don’t like abortions, then elect people who will help:
- sex education
- free/accessible health care
- free/accessible birth control (incl LARCs)
- maternity & paternity leave
- childcare
- etc.
If you want the baby to live, along with the father and the mother, then quit bitching and actually help the father and mother.
You don't need sex for survival. It's not a life necessity. If you can't precent pregnancy on your own, don't have sex or get sterilized. Than you can do whatever you want to your body.
So this is really about your failed sex life? You are jealous.
Having unplanned pregnancies and abortions is not a badge of successful sex life. It's a badge of being trash.
Definitely sounds like you don’t get laid. You wouldn’t be so hateful if you had satisfying sex.