Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, caltech, chicago, Columbia, Williams.

That's my list.

Anonymous wrote:Forbes "Presidential Cabinets Have Been Dominated By College Elites Long Before Joe Biden And Donald Trump. Why That’s A Problem."

Bower-Bir coded the colleges these senior appointees attended as being either “elite” or “common.” The elite schools included the eight universities in the Ivy League (Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Pennsylvania, Harvard, Princeton, Yale) plus 17 others determined through commonly understood academic groupings and a scientific survey of the American public (Duke, Georgetown, U. Chicago, MIT, Johns Hopkins, Cambridge, London School of Economics, Oxford, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Boston College, Boston University, Carnegie Mellon, New York University, Northwestern, Stanford and U. California, Berkeley). “Common” schools were simply everyplace else.

Seems like Berkeley is the only US public to make the list. The list does, however, include the UK's University of Oxford, University of Cambridge, and LSE (all public).

RIP UVA, UMich, Williams and Amherst

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, caltech, chicago, Columbia, Williams.

That's my list.

+1 as defined by the academic cohort at the top 10% (arbitrary) of their respective classes

Pomona has more students in the top 10% of the class than Williams. There are plenty of others as well like Dartmouth and Brown. If that's your criteria, you're clearly not informed.

I'm referring to the top 10% of the college's own classes (not entry HS grades or SAT scores for admissions to the institutions).
My personal opinion is that the cohort at the top are strongest at the schools listed because it's a mix of our best plus the top international students. I'm not saying that there aren't brilliant students at other schools but I think there are less of them and they are not tested on a daily basis in the same way. Williams is also rated as one of the most rigorous schools in the country among universites and LACs. For their grade inflation alone I agreed with the original posters assessment. Ther are plenty of students at Pomona, Brown and Dartmouth that go on to have successful and lucrative careers but that's not the same as the academic elites who are game changers. IMO.

I agree that HYPMS and maybe UChicago/Caltech/Columbia are in a tier of their own. I only disagree with Williams. It's really not at the HYPMS level in terms of selectivity/strength of student body, and not so much higher than Amherst/Pomona/Swarthmore/Bowdoin at this day and time. Here's the list of colleges sorted by average SAT of enrolled students: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-smartest-colleges-in-america-2016-10 Williams is 17th.

Also, just a side-note that HYS all have median GPAs above 3.6 and are known for having a ton of grade inflation. I've heard that less than 10% of grades given out there are C's or below. If you want to identify the most rigorous elite schools by a combination of workload and average GPA, that'd be Reed, Swarthmore, UChicago, Princeton, and Davidson. I'd include Williams too- it's definitely rigorous- but being rigorous and attracting the smartest students are two different measures.

This is old information and not very useful.

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, caltech, chicago, Columbia, Williams.

That's my list.

+1 as defined by the academic cohort at the top 10% (arbitrary) of their respective classes

Pomona has more students in the top 10% of the class than Williams. There are plenty of others as well like Dartmouth and Brown. If that's your criteria, you're clearly not informed.

I'm referring to the top 10% of the college's own classes (not entry HS grades or SAT scores for admissions to the institutions).
My personal opinion is that the cohort at the top are strongest at the schools listed because it's a mix of our best plus the top international students. I'm not saying that there aren't brilliant students at other schools but I think there are less of them and they are not tested on a daily basis in the same way. Williams is also rated as one of the most rigorous schools in the country among universites and LACs. For their grade inflation alone I agreed with the original posters assessment. Ther are plenty of students at Pomona, Brown and Dartmouth that go on to have successful and lucrative careers but that's not the same as the academic elites who are game changers. IMO.

I agree that HYPMS and maybe UChicago/Caltech/Columbia are in a tier of their own. I only disagree with Williams. It's really not at the HYPMS level in terms of selectivity/strength of student body, and not so much higher than Amherst/Pomona/Swarthmore/Bowdoin at this day and time. Here's the list of colleges sorted by average SAT of enrolled students: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-smartest-colleges-in-america-2016-10 Williams is 17th.

Also, just a side-note that HYS all have median GPAs above 3.6 and are known for having a ton of grade inflation. I've heard that less than 10% of grades given out there are C's or below. If you want to identify the most rigorous elite schools by a combination of workload and average GPA, that'd be Reed, Swarthmore, UChicago, Princeton, and Davidson. I'd include Williams too- it's definitely rigorous- but being rigorous and attracting the smartest students are two different measures.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Northeastern booster, you would do yourself & your school a bigger favor if you just cooled it. You’re not convincing anybody that NEU is elite.

LOL NWU psychology graduate got so mad making $40k with $150k debt in hand lol

Still doesn't make Northeastern an "elite" school by any standards. More like a solid safety school for kids who didn't get into BU.

LMFAO NEU is a safety for BU that doesn't even have a campus

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Northeastern booster, you would do yourself & your school a bigger favor if you just cooled it. You’re not convincing anybody that NEU is elite.

LOL NWU psychology graduate got so mad making $40k with $150k debt in hand lol

Still doesn't make Northeastern an "elite" school by any standards. More like a solid safety school for kids who didn't get into BU.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Northeastern booster, you would do yourself & your school a bigger favor if you just cooled it. You’re not convincing anybody that NEU is elite.

I am from MA and agree. We never thought it elite, and they have been trying the ratings game for years to little or no affect. People still consider BC, Tufts, BU and (if creeping a bit west) Holy Cross better than NEU. That is by local reputation. If someone went to NEU they would get the same reaction if the kid went to StoneHill or Assumption colleges.

Check that…effect not affect.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Northeastern booster, you would do yourself & your school a bigger favor if you just cooled it. You’re not convincing anybody that NEU is elite.

I am from MA and agree. We never thought it elite, and they have been trying the ratings game for years to little or no affect. People still consider BC, Tufts, BU and (if creeping a bit west) Holy Cross better than NEU. That is by local reputation. If someone went to NEU they would get the same reaction if the kid went to StoneHill or Assumption colleges.

Anonymous wrote:Dear Northeastern booster, you would do yourself & your school a bigger favor if you just cooled it. You’re not convincing anybody that NEU is elite.