Anonymous
06/08/2016 19:55
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Seen in the comment section of an NYT post on FB:
"Have y'all ever noticed that alcohol makes a man less responsible for rape, yet a drunk woman is somehow more responsible?"
"Have y'all ever noticed that alcohol makes a man less responsible for rape, yet a drunk woman is somehow more responsible?"
Anonymous
06/08/2016 19:52
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
I'm thinking that there are one or two people who don't want to admit the role of alcohol. Read the research.
https://rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence Three quarters of rapists are known to their victim. What shall women do: never befriend men? Cloister? Chastity belt? Never, ever drink, ever, because people like you and similarly obtuse posters just have to believe rape is under the control of the woman.
Strangely, RAINN doesn"t talk a lot about alcohol and rape. I wonder why.
The RAINN site is very helpful. https://rainn.org/safety-prevention
From RAINN:
You can take an active role in increasing your safety or the safety of those you care about. While there's no way to eliminate the chance that something may happen, there are strategies that may reduce your risk or give you the confidence to step in to prevent a sexual assault.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 19:50
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
I'm thinking that there are one or two people who don't want to admit the role of alcohol. Read the research.
https://rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence Three quarters of rapists are known to their victim. What shall women do: never befriend men? Cloister? Chastity belt? Never, ever drink, ever, because people like you and similarly obtuse posters just have to believe rape is under the control of the woman.
Strangely, RAINN doesn"t talk a lot about alcohol and rape. I wonder why.
The RAINN site is very helpful. https://rainn.org/safety-prevention
Anonymous
06/08/2016 19:47
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
I'm thinking that there are one or two people who don't want to admit the role of alcohol. Read the research.
https://rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence Three quarters of rapists are known to their victim. What shall women do: never befriend men? Cloister? Chastity belt? Never, ever drink, ever, because people like you and similarly obtuse posters just have to believe rape is under the control of the woman.
Strangely, RAINN doesn"t talk a lot about alcohol and rape. I wonder why.
Please feel free to show a link to any comment on this thread that says rape is under the control of the woman.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:41
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Fine. Let's focus on the females drinking instead of the male raping but in doing so we are admitting that maybe Marilyn French wasn't completely off the mark when she said all men are rapists. But lets teach our girls to protect themselves because a good percentage of males are animals. The onus is mostly on young women because, ya know, men. If you are focusing on her protecting herself something instead of him just not doing it you're admitting there is something innately wrong with men.
I don't think there's something innately wrong with men. I think, as a woman, I have some agency. Certainly, there are many unavoidable bad things that can happen to a person, whatever they do or do not do. Some things are avoidable, though. And everyone makes mistakes, or unwise decisions, which makes them human. But sometimes making smart chioces can lead to safe outcomes.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:38
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Fine. Let's focus on the females drinking instead of the male raping but in doing so we are admitting that maybe Marilyn French wasn't completely off the mark when she said all men are rapists. But lets teach our girls to protect themselves because a good percentage of males are animals. The onus is mostly on young women because, ya know, men. If you are focusing on her protecting herself something instead of him just not doing it you're admitting there is something innately wrong with men.
You've put an angry, sarcastic, personal twist on what's been said.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:34
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Fine. Let's focus on the females drinking instead of the male raping but in doing so we are admitting that maybe Marilyn French wasn't completely off the mark when she said all men are rapists. But lets teach our girls to protect themselves because a good percentage of males are animals. The onus is mostly on young women because, ya know, men. If you are focusing on her protecting herself something instead of him just not doing it you're admitting there is something innately wrong with men.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:33
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
from the NIH (National Institute on Alcohol and Alcoholism)
According to research summarized in a College Task Force report to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), the consequences of excessive drinking by college students are more significant, more destructive, and more costly than many parents realize. And these consequences affect students whether or not they drink.
Statistics from this report indicate that drinking by college students aged 18 to 24 contributes to an estimated 1,825 student deaths, 599,000 injuries, 696,000 assaults by another student who has been drinking, and 97,000 cases of sexual assault or date rape each year.
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/Fall%20Semester%20-%20Discuss%20Risks%20about%20College%20Drinking
To counter that: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/29/2844951/link-alcohol-sexual-assault/ And I believe it even cites your website. Alcohol is the final arrow is rapist's quiver, not the primary one. The article says the correlation between alcohol and rape is that it usually means there is more than one person drinking.
PP here. All very interesting. Thanks for the link! We all need as much information as we can get to help women avoid the pain, emotional and physical, during and after rape.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:28
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
from the NIH (National Institute on Alcohol and Alcoholism)
According to research summarized in a College Task Force report to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), the consequences of excessive drinking by college students are more significant, more destructive, and more costly than many parents realize. And these consequences affect students whether or not they drink.
Statistics from this report indicate that drinking by college students aged 18 to 24 contributes to an estimated 1,825 student deaths, 599,000 injuries, 696,000 assaults by another student who has been drinking, and 97,000 cases of sexual assault or date rape each year.
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/Fall%20Semester%20-%20Discuss%20Risks%20about%20College%20Drinking
To counter that: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/29/2844951/link-alcohol-sexual-assault/ And I believe it even cites your website. Alcohol is the final arrow is rapist's quiver, not the primary one. The article says the correlation between alcohol and rape is that it usually means there is more than one person drinking.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:23
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
I'm thinking that there are one or two people who don't want to admit the role of alcohol. Read the research.
https://rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence Three quarters of rapists are known to their victim. What shall women do: never befriend men? Cloister? Chastity belt? Never, ever drink, ever, because people like you and similarly obtuse posters just have to believe rape is under the control of the woman.
Strangely, RAINN doesn"t talk a lot about alcohol and rape. I wonder why.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:18
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
from the NIH (National Institute on Alcohol and Alcoholism)
According to research summarized in a College Task Force report to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), the consequences of excessive drinking by college students are more significant, more destructive, and more costly than many parents realize. And these consequences affect students whether or not they drink.
Statistics from this report indicate that drinking by college students aged 18 to 24 contributes to an estimated 1,825 student deaths, 599,000 injuries, 696,000 assaults by another student who has been drinking, and 97,000 cases of sexual assault or date rape each year.
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/Fall%20Semester%20-%20Discuss%20Risks%20about%20College%20Drinking
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:16
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
I think it's in response to the posts that say alcohol is a red herring, does not matter, is irrelevant. If all rape is rape, then a girl cannot and should not take any steps to protect herself, incuding not drinking way too much alcohol. In many situations, a girl cannot protect herself from rape, but in some instances she can.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:10
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
I'm thinking that there are one or two people who don't want to admit the role of alcohol. Read the research.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:08
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Yep, I think you're on to something there.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.
Anonymous
06/08/2016 18:05
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to certain posts here it would be justified to rape drunk people male or female I suppose right?. Hey, do not get drunk or you might exposed yourself to be raped by someone or something. Imagine if guys would have the fear of getting drunk because of this possibility.
No one is saying it's justified to rape anyone at any time, drunk or not. They are saying that you're exposing yourself to all kinds of bad possibilities when you're too drunk to know your surroundings or what's going on.
I'm starting to wander if the posts about not getting drunk are coming from just one or 2 people. I think everybody understands how drinking can cause many bad things to happen, but it feels like every few posts is shoving this point down our throats.