Would it matter to you if only one person ran this country----like a king?

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.SL.7.1.a
Come to discussions prepared, having read or researched material under study; explicitly draw on that preparation by referring to evidence on the topic, text, or issue to probe and reflect on ideas under discussion

According to the criteria paper on the CC website, the standards are supposed to be clear and measureable. Do you call this clear and measureable?

"As for me, I don't care who was on the committees. The proof is in the pudding -- namely, the standards."


You mean you wouldn't care if only one person wrote these standards? That would be okay with you?

The tests are failing our kids.

http://www.takepart.com/video/2013/06/25/kids-tell-all-i-am-more-standardized-test-video

Anonymous wrote:

The answer to that is self evident when one looks at her background. She was close to Romney and was put on the committee via her political connections.

So, you admit the committee members were chosen based on politics? And, our Common Core supporter thinks they were all "expert standard writers".........so which is it: expert or politics?

You were (or somebody was) was quoting from her approvingly. So evidently you think she was qualified to be on the committee. Or are her qualifications retroactive, based on the fact that she's now publishing anti-Common Core stuff through the Heritage Foundation?

As for me, I don't care who was on the committees. The proof is in the pudding -- namely, the standards.

What do you think about this standard?

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.SL.7.1.a
Come to discussions prepared, having read or researched material under study; explicitly draw on that preparation by referring to evidence on the topic, text, or issue to probe and reflect on ideas under discussion.

How about this one?

CCSS.Math.Content.4.G.A.1
Draw points, lines, line segments, rays, angles (right, acute, obtuse), and perpendicular and parallel lines. Identify these in two-dimensional figures.

The answer to that is self evident when one looks at her background. She was close to Romney and was put on the committee via her political connections.

So, you admit the committee members were chosen based on politics? And, our Common Core supporter thinks they were all "expert standard writers".........so which is it: expert or politics?

Anonymous wrote:
Ha ha ha! A Heritage Foundation article (right-wing shill BIAS) written by a Mitt Romney crony (right wing shill BIAS) who works with the Pioneer Institute (right wing shill BIAS) - and again, it's an OPINION piece - nowhere in that article does the author actually cite any SPECIFICS about why the standards are bad, let alone any provide any real EVIDENCE.


The woman who wrote the article was on the committee that you think had such expertise. How did she get selected if she is so unqualified as you say?


The answer to that is self evident when one looks at her background. She was close to Romney and was put on the committee via her political connections.

Aha. You are not admitting that the committee was selected based on their political connections??

Source please.

Anonymous wrote:


The right and left don't matter.

Once the states of New York and California opt out, it's game over. They are just tired of the testing and realize that it is not improving anything. That's where the argument is---it doesn't matter how "good" the standards are. The question is more about whether standards and testing make a big difference. So far the answer is no.


The testing requirement is from the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 and has nothing whatsoever to do with the Common Core standards.

(If I had a nickel for every time I've typed that, I'd have a lot of nickels.)

Did you notice that I said "standards and testing"? STANDARDS and testing? Maybe I should have said "testing based on standards"?

Anonymous wrote:

Ha ha ha! A Heritage Foundation article (right-wing shill BIAS) written by a Mitt Romney crony (right wing shill BIAS) who works with the Pioneer Institute (right wing shill BIAS) - and again, it's an OPINION piece - nowhere in that article does the author actually cite any SPECIFICS about why the standards are bad, let alone any provide any real EVIDENCE.

The woman who wrote the article was on the committee that you think had such expertise. How did she get selected if she is so unqualified as you say?

The answer to that is self evident when one looks at her background. She was close to Romney and was put on the committee via her political connections.

Ha ha ha! A Heritage Foundation article (right-wing shill BIAS) written by a Mitt Romney crony (right wing shill BIAS) who works with the Pioneer Institute (right wing shill BIAS) - and again, it's an OPINION piece - nowhere in that article does the author actually cite any SPECIFICS about why the standards are bad, let alone any provide any real EVIDENCE.

The woman who wrote the article was on the committee that you think had such expertise. How did she get selected if she is so unqualified as you say?

Anonymous wrote:

The right and left don't matter.

Once the states of New York and California opt out, it's game over. They are just tired of the testing and realize that it is not improving anything. That's where the argument is---it doesn't matter how "good" the standards are. The question is more about whether standards and testing make a big difference. So far the answer is no.

The testing requirement is from the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 and has nothing whatsoever to do with the Common Core standards.

(If I had a nickel for every time I've typed that, I'd have a lot of nickels.)

The right and left don't matter.

Once the states of New York and California opt out, it's game over. They are just tired of the testing and realize that it is not improving anything. That's where the argument is---it doesn't matter how "good" the standards are. The question is more about whether standards and testing make a big difference. So far the answer is no.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/12/questionable-quality-of-the-common-core-english-language-arts-standards

A post by someone who actually was on the Common Core development committee for Language arts.

Ha ha ha! A Heritage Foundation article (right-wing shill BIAS) written by a Mitt Romney crony (right wing shill BIAS) who works with the Pioneer Institute (right wing shill BIAS) - and again, it's an OPINION piece - nowhere in that article does the author actually cite any SPECIFICS about why the standards are bad, let alone any provide any real EVIDENCE.

The folks behind that article have an agenda and ulterior motive - and it's *not* about improving education at all, it's about getting rid of the Department of Education, it's about gutting federal government, et cetera -

"The Pioneer Institute (PI) is a right-wing pressure group that describes itself as a "think tank" that is "committed to individual freedom and responsibility, limited and accountable government, and the application of free market principles to state and local policy".[1] It houses and runs the Center for School Reform,[2] the Shamie Center for Better Government,[3] and the Center for Economic Opportunity.[4] It is known for having a staff that has served in various positions in the recent Republican Massachusetts governors' administrations (Weld, Cellucci, Swift,[5] and Romney).[6]
The Pioneer Institute is a member of the State Policy Network (SPN).
SPN is a web of right-wing “think tanks” in every state across the country. It is an $83 million right-wing empire as of the 2011 funding documents from SPN itself and each of its state "think tank" members. Although SPN's member organizations claim to be nonpartisan and independent, the Center for Media and Democracy's in-depth investigation, "EXPOSED: The State Policy Network -- The Powerful Right-Wing Network Helping to Hijack State Politics and Government," reveals that SPN and its member think tanks are major drivers of the right-wing, American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)-backed corporate agenda in state houses nationwide, with deep ties to the Koch brothers and the national right-wing network of funders.[7]" - http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Pioneer_Institute_for_Public_Policy_Research

So, you are back to square one, sitting there without any actual data or evidence to back up all of these right wing talking points that you keep putting out there.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/12/questionable-quality-of-the-common-core-english-language-arts-standards

A post by someone who actually was on the Common Core development committee for Language arts.

Nope, anything published by any person or organization with a financial interest in Common Core issues is biased and invalid. That's what I learned a few pages ago on this very thread.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/education-common-core-standards-schools-96964.html

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/12/questionable-quality-of-the-common-core-english-language-arts-standards

A post by someone who actually was on the Common Core development committee for Language arts.