Anonymous wrote:The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

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Anonymous wrote:When democrats decided that they wanted to import brown people to pick fruit/veg, slaughter cows and chickens, clean toilets and cut lawns for discount prices; the bonus is the virtual slaves vote for democrats. Neat. Moral. Very moral and kind.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land.

You know who else used that argument?

The Confederacy during the Civil War.

Let that sink in.

Anonymous wrote:When democrats decided that they wanted to import brown people to pick fruit/veg, slaughter cows and chickens, clean toilets and cut lawns for discount prices; the bonus is the virtual slaves vote for democrats. Neat. Moral. Very moral and kind.

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Anonymous wrote:Less expensive on many levels than letting them stay.

This is the kind of unbridled stupid that I expect from the neo fascists, bravo.

Let us know when Mexico stops laughing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/mexico-refuses-accept-us-deportation-flight-rcna189182

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Anonymous wrote:He's already backpedaling on this with H1 visas. And idiots voted for him thinking he’s going to do it.

I voted for him and have no problem with H1 visas. Legal, well-educated immigrants make this country great. They don't require any financial support and they contribute immeasurably. ILLEGAL immigrants are the focus here, especially those with criminal records or who were due to be deported already but haven't gone.

You should research which country sends the most ppl on this visa and how they lie on resumes and hire their own.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted Blue and am a legal immigrant. I will be cheering when each and every illegal is deported.

How come you don’t know most of them came under false asylum pretense so not technically illegal? That’s what makes it so hard to kick them out

Lying on a visa application is illegal. Hence they are illegal.

Yes, exactly. Melania also lied on her citizenship application, hence she is illegal. Deport her.

Zero evidence, bro.

Trump was supposed to provide evidence that she didn't lie. If it was that easy to prove, he'd have done it by now. He's not one to not prove a lie if he can. Remember how he was supposed to have a press conference to prove that she did not lie? Yea, never had one.

To add.. Obama even provided proof of his birth certificate to counter Trump's birther lies. Yet, Trump kept pushing the lie. I don't care who started the lie; Trump still pushed it long after.

If Obama can provide proof, Trump should do the same. But, he hasn't. He can't because he knows she lied. She should be deported along with the rest of her family.

I don't care. Do you?

clearly you don't because the rules that apply to others don't apply to your Dear Leader.

But, since you responded the way you did, you obviously think she, indeed, did lie. Deport her and her whole chain migration commie family.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted Blue and am a legal immigrant. I will be cheering when each and every illegal is deported.

How come you don’t know most of them came under false asylum pretense so not technically illegal? That’s what makes it so hard to kick them out

Lying on a visa application is illegal. Hence they are illegal.

Yes, exactly. Melania also lied on her citizenship application, hence she is illegal. Deport her.

Zero evidence, bro.

Trump was supposed to provide evidence that she didn't lie. If it was that easy to prove, he'd have done it by now. He's not one to not prove a lie if he can. Remember how he was supposed to have a press conference to prove that she did not lie? Yea, never had one.

To add.. Obama even provided proof of his birth certificate to counter Trump's birther lies. Yet, Trump kept pushing the lie. I don't care who started the lie; Trump still pushed it long after.

If Obama can provide proof, Trump should do the same. But, he hasn't. He can't because he knows she lied. She should be deported along with the rest of her family.

I don't care. Do you?

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Anonymous wrote:So it's expensive to send people back to their countries but not expensive to use FEMA money to fly them all over the US after coming here illegally? Can someone explain this to me?

The liberal argument makes no sense. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars flying migrants across the country, housing them, feeding them. A one-way plane ticket back to their country of origin would be much cheaper than all of the costs we are currently paying for migrants. We shouldn’t have to bear the burden of other countries lack of economic development and poor governance. The migrants are not asylum seekers. They are economic migrants. They don’t qualify for asylum, and we can’t take in every poor person in the world hoping for a better life.

dp.. The US doesn't fly every single illegal immigrant around the US. But, MAGA are salivating over deportations of every single illegal immigrant. That would, indeed, be very expensive. Also, these people need to be adjudicated. There is a years long backlog in the immigration courts.

Why do they need to be in the country waiting to be adjudicated? They can wait in their home countries or Mexico for their court date. The wait time is a huge part of the draw of gaming the system. They are just buying time. Then they have babies, create ties to the community and of course by the time their court date rolls around, it would be "inhumane" to their recently born American children for them to be deported. It's such a scam.

The "why" is not the point of my post.

Realistically, the millions of undocumented here who have not committed any other crimes (being undocumented is a misdemeanor) will need to be adjudicated before they can be deported. And considering that there is a years long backlog in judges seeing these cases, this is going to be expensive.

Very common illegals’ crimes:
Illegal border crossing
ID fraud
Tax fraud
Unregistered & uninsured vehicles
No health insurance, just show up at Holy Cross.

Somewhat common:
Hit & run accidents
Illegal voting w fake ID
Illegal welfare recipient w fake ID
Human trafficking
Drug trafficking
Gang shake downs
Rape

? Like I said, most illegal immigrants need to be adjudicated before they can be deported. Doesn't matter if they committed ID fraud.

Everyone is fine with deporting violent criminals. But, some business owners, like in construction and farming (mainly R voters), think full scale deportation is going to hurt the US economy. If you have a problem with that, talk to those business owners.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/23/g-s1-35465/trump-deportation-migrants-immigrants-texas-construction-industry-border-security

Dude, you should know better than to slap up an NPR link. Even too biased and tainted for DCUM.

Well, I'm pretty sure no right wing media is going to say Trump's deportation will hurt the economy.

But, here are other sources.


https://www.enr.com/articles/59464-we-depend-on-immigrants-say-texas-construction-employers

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/lone-star-politics/texas-impacted-trump-mass-deportation-programs/3700481/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-immigration-deportations-home-building-costs-rcna172886

Just remember what happened in FL

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/people-arent-showing-up-to-work-south-florida-workers-already-feeling-heat-of-immigration-bill/

Usually, after a hurricane blows through FL, undocumented people come and help with the cleanup and repairing roofs. Not anymore.

lol

You don’t get it.

Keep on picking cherries PP. And proving the exact point you think you’re refuting.

? TX and FL will be hurt by a mass deportation. Their economy actually relies on them.

I think you are the one who doesn't get it. Shrug.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted Blue and am a legal immigrant. I will be cheering when each and every illegal is deported.

How come you don’t know most of them came under false asylum pretense so not technically illegal? That’s what makes it so hard to kick them out

Lying on a visa application is illegal. Hence they are illegal.

Yes, exactly. Melania also lied on her citizenship application, hence she is illegal. Deport her.

Zero evidence, bro.

Trump was supposed to provide evidence that she didn't lie. If it was that easy to prove, he'd have done it by now. He's not one to not prove a lie if he can. Remember how he was supposed to have a press conference to prove that she did not lie? Yea, never had one.

To add.. Obama even provided proof of his birth certificate to counter Trump's birther lies. Yet, Trump kept pushing the lie. I don't care who started the lie; Trump still pushed it long after.

If Obama can provide proof, Trump should do the same. But, he hasn't. He can't because he knows she lied. She should be deported along with the rest of her family.

I don't care. Do you?

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Anonymous wrote:I voted Blue and am a legal immigrant. I will be cheering when each and every illegal is deported.

How come you don’t know most of them came under false asylum pretense so not technically illegal? That’s what makes it so hard to kick them out

Lying on a visa application is illegal. Hence they are illegal.

Yes, exactly. Melania also lied on her citizenship application, hence she is illegal. Deport her.

Zero evidence, bro.

Trump was supposed to provide evidence that she didn't lie. If it was that easy to prove, he'd have done it by now. He's not one to not prove a lie if he can. Remember how he was supposed to have a press conference to prove that she did not lie? Yea, never had one.

To add.. Obama even provided proof of his birth certificate to counter Trump's birther lies. Yet, Trump kept pushing the lie. I don't care who started the lie; Trump still pushed it long after.

If Obama can provide proof, Trump should do the same. But, he hasn't. He can't because he knows she lied. She should be deported along with the rest of her family.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted Blue and am a legal immigrant. I will be cheering when each and every illegal is deported.

How come you don’t know most of them came under false asylum pretense so not technically illegal? That’s what makes it so hard to kick them out

Lying on a visa application is illegal. Hence they are illegal.

Yes, exactly. Melania also lied on her citizenship application, hence she is illegal. Deport her.

Zero evidence, bro.

Trump was supposed to provide evidence that she didn't lie. If it was that easy to prove, he'd have done it by now. He's not one to not prove a lie if he can. Remember how he was supposed to have a press conference to prove that she did not lie? Yea, never had one.